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I took damage on night one. Otherwise I would have said I was protected.
We need to lynch drazerk. I don't really care about what his night actions were or how they played out. His behavior has earned him his death. His claimed shot was for self-preservation on someone who he didn't think was scum. He's played purely for self-preservation and not to help the town.
People, don't let him distract you with all this speculation about what happened with his shot. If he's telling the truth about his role (which I doubt), then we can figure it all out later. But the signs point strongly towards lynching him.
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S&B, before I listen to you on who to lynch, please post your thoughts on everything else that went on in this D3 thread.
Like...stuff about me, stuff about Jingle, stuff about ghost and austin, etc. There's plenty of info lying around, why are you ignoring it just to get Draz lynched?
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Funny I've not seen you do anything but what you are excusing me of SnB
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If a medic protects a bodyguard who is protecting someone else, and that third party gets shot, does the bodyguard still take 1 KP of damage or would the medic prevent it?
IE:
VisceraEyes is 1-shot Bodyguard that dies if he successfully protects a KP (IE something useful for protecting a Mayor or Innocent Child, etc).
marv is a medic.
Ace is an innocent child.
VE protects Ace on night 1. marv protects VE. Scum shoots Ace. I would expect VE to die, because he died from his own role, rather than from KP.
In that hypothetical scenario, would VE have died, or been saved by the medic?
Maybe that will clear things up.
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##Vote: No Lynch
Just for now, I'm going to make some errands and be back in 1 hour or 2.
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Hey Draz, am I still scum?
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I'll be honest I'm not sure anymore
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Mainly because I don't know WTF you did
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Okay, right now I am actually leaning towards revoting for Drazerk.
His role has changed 3 times since he first claimed. First, he was one-shot vig. Then he was 1-shot vig that threw Lemon Grenades (which we know was a lie), and now he's one-shot vig with an unblockable shot.
And here's why I think that his unblockable shot theory doesn't make sense: even if we up and lost our minds right now and decided that we should lynch S&B today. What happens when S&B flips town? Does that necessarily make Drazerk scum? No, and he knows that, and I believe he could argue it. There are so many possible things that could have happened that we have no way of knowing what actually happened.
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My role hasn't changed
I just hid information
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On October 08 2012 05:07 gonzaw wrote:
S&B, before I listen to you on who to lynch, please post your thoughts on everything else that went on in this D3 thread.
Like...stuff about me, stuff about Jingle, stuff about ghost and austin, etc. There's plenty of info lying around, why are you ignoring it just to get Draz lynched?
One scum at a time.
I've taken all that stuff into account and I still think drazerk is the best lynch.
Regarding you and Jingle: I don't find myself persuaded by Jingle at all, mostly because of presentation and how ridiculously abrasive he is. I could see you being scum, but I could also see you being town.
I think Ghost is more likely to flip scum than you are. Unless something changes I would like to lynch him next after Drazerk.
I have a town read on Austin - his posts just feel townie to me and I like the way he's explaining things and promoting a good town atmosphere.
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Although this is the first time in like 7 games where my role hasn't changed...
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One scum at a time but lets lynch a townie first right SnB?
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No just you. I don't think you are town.
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I guess host answer could change things, but:
snb took damage
from a shot that is claimed to go through veteran protection
but is claimed NOT to go through medic protection
gonzaw claims that "something fucked up happened on N1 (to me)"
I don't see how snb just takes damage from a shot that doesn't care about veteran protection. If he got hit with a shot that doesn't care about vet status, he'd be dead.
Therefore, Drazerk is either lying about his shot OR something interfered with the targetting AND we're missing KP. Unless someone wants to claim an N1 action that explains where Drazerk's shot went (it would have to land on mementoss, mattchew with protection, or...some other protected target? otherwise it doesn't explain what happened) then I don't buy this claim.
Other option...someone has like...a one-way portal? Drazerk's shot goes into the portal, doesn't come out and hit anyone else.
But in either of those cases we've got a shot on snb that then isn't explained unless snb is lying OR there's more factional KP than we're thinking (red with 2 shots, black actually having factional KP).
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On October 08 2012 05:23 strongandbig wrote:
No just you. I don't think you are town.
You know I am though and you know that killing me is the best way for self preservation
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On October 08 2012 05:26 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 05:23 strongandbig wrote:
No just you. I don't think you are town. You know I am though and you know that killing me is the best way for self preservation
How would I know you are town? Did you change your mind and now you think I'm scum again?
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actually you know what fuck this I'm not getting drawn into another several-page-long one-liner fight with drazerk. I'll be back later.
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On October 08 2012 05:27 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 05:26 Drazerk wrote:On October 08 2012 05:23 strongandbig wrote:
No just you. I don't think you are town. You know I am though and you know that killing me is the best way for self preservation How would I know you are town? Did you change your mind and now you think I'm scum again?
When did I ever say you was town in this game
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On October 08 2012 05:28 strongandbig wrote:
actually you know what fuck this I'm not getting drawn into another several-page-long one-liner fight with drazerk. I'll be back later.
HA GOING AFK TO FORCE A LYNCH ON ME
SCUM
SCUM
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