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On May 30 2012 10:36 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 10:35 grush57 wrote:
Atleast I'm not putting up some half-assed excuse to save Gambit while bussing him like Manason,S&B and austin. That's true. That's very true. You are not the scummiest player in this game. +1 gold star.
Can we at least wait until stofu posts fucking anything before we start accusing me of bussing shit?
I looked through majujubees' filters in this, holy roman, and the SNMM he was in. I have the same question for him as I did for stofu:
majuju, pls commit to a read. Who do you think is scum and why.
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You know like actually read it... Not just say you read it...
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On May 30 2012 13:36 Mattchew wrote:
Um wbg... You should read the thread
I've read it, and the entirety of your filter.
Can't say the same for you. You're normally at the very least annoyingly active as town. In this game you're just annoyingly useless. No reads, just total bullshit.
As your "defense" (if you could call it that) is to tell me to read, it's pretty apparent you're scum and not town.
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On May 30 2012 13:35 wherebugsgo wrote:
also I have completed reading the thread. I have some other sneaking suspicions but I won't let them go for now, because there is far too much on the table already. There's no need to try and out the entire scumteam right now when we can only kill one of them and not 6.
You can't sub into a game and then refuse to share your reads.
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anyway it doesn't matter.
The solution to this dilemma is simple.
There is 4 claimed KP from last night. 1 is confirmed to have gone to Forumite. 3 are claimed by myself, Mattchew, and Meapak.
If no vigi claims a shot that means that one of these players is lying. It's not me, and I really don't think it's Meapak. That leaves Mattchew.
So, as long as there is no vig claim then Mattchew is almost certainly scum.
In before scummy lurker #5 claims a shot on Mattchew
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On May 30 2012 13:47 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 13:35 wherebugsgo wrote:
also I have completed reading the thread. I have some other sneaking suspicions but I won't let them go for now, because there is far too much on the table already. There's no need to try and out the entire scumteam right now when we can only kill one of them and not 6. You can't sub into a game and then refuse to share your reads.
this is funny, kita.
I shared 3 of my reads. I'm not about to share my town reads (that aren't meapak) nor the rest of my reads. Though, I suppose if you're attacking me right now it means you've caught onto something.
Good for you, it's nice to know scum are scared of me.
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On May 30 2012 13:36 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 10:36 Blazinghand wrote:On May 30 2012 10:35 grush57 wrote:
Atleast I'm not putting up some half-assed excuse to save Gambit while bussing him like Manason,S&B and austin. That's true. That's very true. You are not the scummiest player in this game. +1 gold star. Can we at least wait until stofu posts fucking anything before we start accusing me of bussing shit? I looked through majujubees' filters in this, holy roman, and the SNMM he was in. I have the same question for him as I did for stofu: majuju, pls commit to a read. Who do you think is scum and why.
For the record: I'd be 100% fine with a gambit lynch. Unless he shapes up significantly he is probably scum and deserves to be killed. I just don't like voting so early in the day. I want to be able to use that weapon to push someone if I don't find their answers or behavior satisfactory.
In fact, looking at Gambit I do find the way he tried to buddy up with me in the middle of his pile-of-crappy-reads posts suspicious. As I think someone's already said in this thread, buddying up to shitty townies is a classic scum manouever, since they can get town cred when the shitty townie is lynched and flips town. At the point he posted, I was looking like a pretty likely lynch and I don't deny that I was in a shitty spot at the time.
"but snb," mattchew says, "if he's scummy for defending you then doesn't that make you his scum buddy?"
lol no. There's several reasons that's retarded, but the main one you will find just from reading those posts. Was that an actual defense of me, where he committed to an opinion, or provided evidence, or anything? No, it wasn't, it was like one line where he said "hey this guy is probably just a nub town but w/e he might be scum but probably not." Just setting himself up for if I got lynched and flipped town.
THAT SAID - I'm still not gonna vote for anyone until I hear from majujubees and stfu.
Also - I still think mattchew is scum, and supersoft is scum-ish.
Alternatively I guess mattchew could just be pissed at me for shooting him and then gloating about it, but whatever. Still scummy.
Also Also - Toad! great to hear that you actually could Mason someone. Let me ask you a question: can you explain a little bit about what your "anti-manipulation power" is? I guess it's okay if you don't want to so you can use it later in secret or w/e but if it was a lie it'd be fine to admit it imo now that we know the rest of your claim is true, as long as you explain it. It's just that something outlandish like a "power that keeps you from being manipulated by the person you're masoning with" doesn't really make sense to me, since that would require the host to jump into your PM convos somehow, and it's the main thing still making me doubt your claim.
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On May 30 2012 12:26 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 08:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
There you have it. Nice work Matt.
Forumite had me fooled, though I guess since his target was scum that was going to be EZPZ to do. I was afraid of the assassin/lyncher needing to target scum, that was going to make finding them exceedingly hard since they could just scumhunt like normal. Thank God scum took care of it for us. ^^
Now, who's the lynch today? I'm liking a lynch inside of (Zealos, supersoft, Kitaman) presently. What does everyone else think? He's on the radar, but I don't know if there's enough support for his lynch yet. As you say, no one is really mentioning him and aside from a few people thinking his play is "odd" it doesn't seem like many people find him suspicious. I'm trying to get a GOOD lynch to happen, not MY lynch. MY lynch would be Kita.
Given that Kita has gone after you it would be great if you could summarise your case against him. His play to me is double-sided. I can't understand the motivation behind the Lyncher thing but everything else he has done looks townie.
Secondly, regarding supersoft you wrote this but never actually posted your details.
On May 30 2012 04:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
In short, I think he's suspicious. I'll go into detail when I get to a computer but like you I've been underwhelmed with his posts since the flip and he was pseudo suspicious yesterday.
Especially the details about his pseudo suspicious behaviour. I read his nightime schenanigans as trying to avoid a shot. He went so completely wacko that it would be weird to believe he was being open about his intentions.
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On May 30 2012 13:40 wherebugsgo wrote:I've read it, and the entirety of your filter.
On May 30 2012 13:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
anyway it doesn't matter.
The solution to this dilemma is simple.
There is 4 claimed KP from last night. 1 is confirmed to have gone to Forumite. 3 are claimed by myself, Mattchew, and Meapak.
If no vigi claims a shot that means that one of these players is lying. It's not me, and I really don't think it's Meapak. That leaves Mattchew.
So, as long as there is no vig claim then Mattchew is almost certainly scum.
In before scummy lurker #5 claims a shot on Mattchew
DO YOU KNOW HOW FUCKING IRONIC THIS IS
On May 30 2012 09:11 Mattchew wrote:Hey guys... I wasn't shot... + Show Spoiler +But strongandbig fell into my trap cause he knew this (Aka his team didn't shoot me)... If the trap failed it would have made scum believe there was a vig shot already used or an sk or something (Aka giving them fake game info) so it seemed like a win-win
On May 30 2012 09:11 Mattchew wrote:
guys... I wasn't shot...
On May 30 2012 09:11 Mattchew wrote:
I wasn't shot...
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On May 30 2012 13:51 strongandbig wrote:
Also - I still think mattchew is scum, and supersoft is scum-ish.
Alternatively I guess mattchew could just be pissed at me for shooting him and then gloating about it, but whatever. Still scummy.
hold the phone WHAT
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when you were scum and i was the vig and i shot you
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Anyway going to sleep now ttyl
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On May 30 2012 13:56 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 13:40 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 30 2012 13:36 Mattchew wrote:
Um wbg... You should read the thread I've read it, and the entirety of your filter. Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 13:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
anyway it doesn't matter.
The solution to this dilemma is simple.
There is 4 claimed KP from last night. 1 is confirmed to have gone to Forumite. 3 are claimed by myself, Mattchew, and Meapak.
If no vigi claims a shot that means that one of these players is lying. It's not me, and I really don't think it's Meapak. That leaves Mattchew.
So, as long as there is no vig claim then Mattchew is almost certainly scum.
In before scummy lurker #5 claims a shot on Mattchew DO YOU KNOW HOW FUCKING IRONIC THIS ISShow nested quote +On May 30 2012 09:11 Mattchew wrote:Hey guys... I wasn't shot... + Show Spoiler +But strongandbig fell into my trap cause he knew this (Aka his team didn't shoot me)... If the trap failed it would have made scum believe there was a vig shot already used or an sk or something (Aka giving them fake game info) so it seemed like a win-win
derp that's my bad. I glossed over that one post, particularly as you continually attacked snb for doubting you getting shot.
you're still a liar.
I don't like liars.
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why the hell would you lie about getting shot?
holy shit that just makes me mad
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On May 30 2012 13:33 kitaman27 wrote:
The first player we should consider today is VisceraEyes. The entire day one cycle, VE has actively pushed a mafia agenda. He went out of his way to ensure that Toad, essentially a confirmed non-scum, would not be elected. He discredited Toad's canidacy using suspect logic and refused to budge on an issue that clearly was beneficial to town. VE explains that he opposed Toad being elected due to the ability of others to influence his decision making. Toad is not a player so incompetant that the risk of him being influenced via pms outweighs the ability to elect a non-scum into office. Firstly, the mayoral lynch took place before the mason power would be activated so this is not an issue. Secondly, Toad promised to not use his lynching power upon election. This is the word from a player who is almost certainly not mafia. VE is so opposed to the idea of Toad being elected, that he would rather believe that Toad is lying about his intentions. VE insists that he wants a town in office, but not Toad, as there are several other townies in the game. There is one problem with this statement, however. Toad is the only player who has role claimed. Rather than take advantage of this opportunity, he would rather risk the election of an unknown due to an irrelevant concern about manipulation of an ability he has promised not to use.
I noticed this too Kita but how does it make him scum? The role is pretty damn useless as scum would be sacrificing one of their own if they used it. Toad however is difficult to read and is not beyond doing things that look incredibly scummy. I can understand a certain trepidation in putting him into office. It is not like VE was advocating putting scum into the role. As you say Toad could be confirmed the next day and so it would make sense to use that as leverage to ensure scum don't get the role but it seems VE just wasn't comfortable with Toad being in a position of power. Why is that scum motivated and not a paranoid townie?
Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 15:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
I mean, I spelled it out myself.
Okay, so I like Kita/Sinensis for scum so far...which is actually kinda disturbing, what do you think about 2 scum pretty much just claiming in thread like that? The confidence coming from this post is not townlike. At this point, the only policies I have pushed is electing a candidate who hasn't announced their intentions for running for mayor and to elect Toad as pardoner. Sinensis has only pushed a policy lynch, which may have been a poor idea, but wasn't inherantly scummy. In response, makes a blanket statement about us claiming scum. Throughout the thread, VE has been asking players their opinion of other players, but has yet to produce a valid case against a player. He announces that I would be his prefered lynch, yet refuses to push it due to lack of support. If he was willing to push me yesterday, why back off today? You don't ignore your primary scum suspect because everyone else thinks he is town, you convince them with a compelling case. I was attacked primarily for my support of Toad, yet now that Toad has been confirmed as a mason, his opinion of me has not changed? Hopefully more to come in a bit.
This is more damning and is why I have asked him to respond. I agree that he should have pushed your case harder if he truly believed you were scum. Barely mentioning it after the night kill is not letting town get their way, it is abandoning your read for apparently no reason.
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On May 30 2012 14:02 wherebugsgo wrote:
why the hell would you lie about getting shot?
holy shit that just makes me mad
cause there was nothing anti-town about it, if snb had not slipped so hard on it, it would have just confused mafia.
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On May 30 2012 13:59 strongandbig wrote:
when you were scum and i was the vig and i shot you
oh my bad
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On May 30 2012 14:06 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 14:02 wherebugsgo wrote:
why the hell would you lie about getting shot?
holy shit that just makes me mad cause there was nothing anti-town about it, if snb had not slipped so hard on it, it would have just confused mafia.
he didn't slip at all, any reasonable townie would assume you were shot by a vig.
your filter is completely void of anything, why would mafia ever shoot you?
This is why general guides tell people not to gambit or lie as town; if you are actually town you're telling the truth now then all you've done is waste a bunch of time.
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On May 30 2012 14:02 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 13:56 Mattchew wrote:On May 30 2012 13:40 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 30 2012 13:36 Mattchew wrote:
Um wbg... You should read the thread I've read it, and the entirety of your filter. On May 30 2012 13:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
anyway it doesn't matter.
The solution to this dilemma is simple.
There is 4 claimed KP from last night. 1 is confirmed to have gone to Forumite. 3 are claimed by myself, Mattchew, and Meapak.
If no vigi claims a shot that means that one of these players is lying. It's not me, and I really don't think it's Meapak. That leaves Mattchew.
So, as long as there is no vig claim then Mattchew is almost certainly scum.
In before scummy lurker #5 claims a shot on Mattchew DO YOU KNOW HOW FUCKING IRONIC THIS ISOn May 30 2012 09:11 Mattchew wrote:Hey guys... I wasn't shot... + Show Spoiler +But strongandbig fell into my trap cause he knew this (Aka his team didn't shoot me)... If the trap failed it would have made scum believe there was a vig shot already used or an sk or something (Aka giving them fake game info) so it seemed like a win-win On May 30 2012 09:11 Mattchew wrote:
guys... I wasn't shot... On May 30 2012 09:11 Mattchew wrote:
I wasn't shot... derp that's my bad. I glossed over that one post, particularly as you continually attacked snb for doubting you getting shot. you're still a liar. I don't like liars.
how does snb know i didn't get shot (before you claimed mind you)... I mean, if we are to believe your claim, what makes you a better shot than me given our filters before the night post. I think (as VE also stated) I looked pretty blue making me a viable shot and at worst a more experienced than most townie kill that probably has no protection
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