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On May 22 2012 02:33 chaoser wrote:
Are people informed if they are saved (by witch or doctor)?
People are informed if they were shot and protected by witch or doctor. I wasn't sure if they were informed or not but I asked an outside player and they told me they were so I recently just informed the person they were shot.
Please get all actions into me, Night ends in 7 hours and 15 minutes.
What about if they are saved by being Jailed? Is the player doing the saving informed of the save?
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I didn't agree to that plan. I specificly said it was a bad plan and I'll explain why in the post game if you want to.
Most of you got bloody butthurt because of that and nearly mislynched me despite I was the without a question the least likely to be the scum. If you had just been able to produce the slightest amount of common sense you had seen how Sentinel was clearly the most suspicious which I think snarf was the one to quickly point out.
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On May 22 2012 03:52 risk.nuke wrote:
I didn't agree to that plan. I specificly said it was a bad plan and I'll explain why in the post game if you want to.
Most of you got bloody butthurt because of that and nearly mislynched me despite I was the without a question the least likely to be the scum. If you had just been able to produce the slightest amount of common sense you had seen how Sentinel was clearly the most suspicious which I think snarf was the one to quickly point out.
We asked about 4 times in the first 48 hours that EVERYONE who does not agree with the plan to say it before alignment pm's are out. Noone disagreed but sandroba => everyone but sandroba agreed to it.
You just completly bombarded it although we planned to go with it. If you would have just told us that you disagree with it there would have been no problem at all, but you didn't. That's the point.
But you playing anti-town although you are town isn't even the point. The point is that a massclaim won't help us because we won't be able to figure out who picked what role with what reason. Mafia won't lie about their roles and simply say they tried to deny a town role. SK wil just claim something that's safe at this point (thanks to the marv / risk / sent thin it's already bloody easily to do that) and there's just no way to figure out that as well.
Just lynch into scumreads instead of talking about massclaims when the chance to catch a scum like that is like 0,1%...
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On May 22 2012 03:57 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 03:52 risk.nuke wrote:
I didn't agree to that plan. I specificly said it was a bad plan and I'll explain why in the post game if you want to.
Most of you got bloody butthurt because of that and nearly mislynched me despite I was the without a question the least likely to be the scum. If you had just been able to produce the slightest amount of common sense you had seen how Sentinel was clearly the most suspicious which I think snarf was the one to quickly point out. We asked about 4 times in the first 48 hours that EVERYONE who does not agree with the plan to say it before alignment pm's are out. Noone disagreed but sandroba => everyone but sandroba agreed to it. You just completly bombarded it although we planned to go with it. If you would have just told us that you disagree with it there would have been no problem at all, but you didn't. That's the point. But you playing anti-town although you are town isn't even the point. The point is that a massclaim won't help us because we won't be able to figure out who picked what role with what reason. Mafia won't lie about their roles and simply say they tried to deny a mafia role. SK wil just claim something that's safe at this point (thanks to the marv / risk / sent thin it's already bloody easily to do that) and there's just no way to figure out that as well. Just lynch into scumreads instead of talking about massclaims when the chance to catch a scum like that is like 0,1%...
EBWOP
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I give up. You don't seem to get it. I doubt you're even trying to understand but it doesn't matter. If you're not smart enough to tell a difference and scumhunt with that information doesn't mean the rest of us isn't.
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On May 22 2012 03:41 Qatol wrote:
What about if they are saved by being Jailed? Is the player doing the saving informed of the save?
Reading back on old PYP games, jailkeeper saves do not get notifications while doctor saves do
From PYPI:
Jailkeeper
You have the ability to lock someone in jail, preventing all night actions on a player of your choice during the night. This includes DT checks, bombs, night hits, and recruitment. It does not prevent roleblocks. You may not protect yourself. No one will be notified of any results. Jailkeeper can protect someone the night she/he gets killed.
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On May 22 2012 03:52 risk.nuke wrote:
Most of you got bloody butthurt because of that and nearly mislynched me despite I was the without a question the least likely to be the scum. If you had just been able to produce the slightest amount of common sense you had seen how Sentinel was clearly the most suspicious which I think snarf was the one to quickly point out.
Please don't talk like this. It isn't an appropriate way to talk to people. Just because GMarshal isn't around doesn't mean this game doesn't have higher posting standards than most of the games on this site.
On May 22 2012 03:57 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 03:52 risk.nuke wrote:
I didn't agree to that plan. I specificly said it was a bad plan and I'll explain why in the post game if you want to.
Most of you got bloody butthurt because of that and nearly mislynched me despite I was the without a question the least likely to be the scum. If you had just been able to produce the slightest amount of common sense you had seen how Sentinel was clearly the most suspicious which I think snarf was the one to quickly point out. We asked about 4 times in the first 48 hours that EVERYONE who does not agree with the plan to say it before alignment pm's are out. Noone disagreed but sandroba => everyone but sandroba agreed to it. You just completly bombarded it although we planned to go with it. If you would have just told us that you disagree with it there would have been no problem at all, but you didn't. That's the point. But you playing anti-town although you are town isn't even the point. The point is that a massclaim won't help us because we won't be able to figure out who picked what role with what reason. Mafia won't lie about their roles and simply say they tried to deny a town role. SK wil just claim something that's safe at this point (thanks to the marv / risk / sent thin it's already bloody easily to do that) and there's just no way to figure out that as well. Just lynch into scumreads instead of talking about massclaims when the chance to catch a scum like that is like 0,1%...
Actually, I disagree that a massclaim has no merit. However, I don't want to say too much because I'm worried it will affect the night shots. So I'll just say that a massclaim tonight is not a good idea and look for my post in a few hours, which should explain more. Something coming on the "who to shoot at" topic sooner.
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On May 22 2012 04:37 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 03:41 Qatol wrote:
What about if they are saved by being Jailed? Is the player doing the saving informed of the save? Reading back on old PYP games, jailkeeper saves do not get notifications while doctor saves do
From PYPI:Show nested quote +Jailkeeper
You have the ability to lock someone in jail, preventing all night actions on a player of your choice during the night. This includes DT checks, bombs, night hits, and recruitment. It does not prevent roleblocks. You may not protect yourself. No one will be notified of any results. Jailkeeper can protect someone the night she/he gets killed.
After reading logs with GM, I have to revise my answer and inform everyone that if someone is jailed and saved then both the jailer and the person who is saved will be informed.
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Still working on writing out the reasoning for why we should be shooting the person I want to be shot, but I figured I would post this much so we aren't too disorganized around the deadline. hiro protagonist, you should seriously consider roleclaiming now unless you are marvellosity's townie. If you are marvellosity's townie, just claim that. risk.nuke, barring a major post indicating that we should be doing something else, I'm going to be recommending that you shoot at hiro protagonist.
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risk has no gun. but that was a nice trap to see if Im reading the thread 
This quote has had me thinking:
On May 22 2012 02:33 chaoser wrote:
Are people informed if they are saved (by witch or doctor)?
People are informed if they were shot and protected by witch or doctor. I wasn't sure if they were informed or not but I asked an outside player and they told me they were so I recently just informed the person they were shot.
Please get all actions into me, Night ends in 7 hours and 15 minutes.
Someone was saved last night... but has not claimed? only the sk would do that as far as I can see...
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also, zelblade is the last scum me thinks
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On May 22 2012 06:30 hiro protagonist wrote:
also, zelblade is the last scum me thinks
What do you base that on?
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On May 22 2012 06:30 hiro protagonist wrote:risk has no gun. but that was a nice trap to see if Im reading the thread
He doesn't?
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by the way, just logged in. I was saved. I'm the last KP missing I guess lol.
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On May 22 2012 06:33 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 06:30 hiro protagonist wrote:
also, zelblade is the last scum me thinks What do you base that on?
His actions. He soft defends PacMan. Scolds you for not following the plan (just like decondo). His post dont contribute much, and in fact, try to blend in.
Ill write up a full case come morning if need be, but people should go read his filter and draw there own conclusions.
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Whoops, haha, did not see that Vig has two shots in this game. I guess risk can still shoot.
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The irony is delicious hiro 
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On May 22 2012 06:39 marvellosity wrote:The irony is delicious hiro
haha, yeah, open mouth, insert foot
On May 22 2012 06:34 Zephirdd wrote:
by the way, just logged in. I was saved. I'm the last KP missing I guess lol.
thats good to hear. This makes things alot clearer.
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On May 22 2012 06:39 hiro protagonist wrote:
Whoops, haha, did not see that Vig has two shots in this game. I guess risk can still shoot.
I thought you were claiming bullet bill for a moment there, and it was completely blowing my mind and making no sense at all. By the way, I still think you are the best person to kill next at the moment.
On May 22 2012 03:27 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 03:22 risk.nuke wrote:
Barundar why didn't you post that conclusion on palmar when you did it. And I'm ordering you to post it now or im writing of everything you said as bullshit. you have another shot right? barundar seems like a good target
Why? Explain your logic please. Barundar voted for Sentinel. Do you think the final mafia member was in the Sentinel voting list? I'm guessing if you're advocating a shot on Barundar, you think he isn't. I personally disagree. Barundar makes a lot more sense to me as a potential SK candidate, but Vigilante hits don't work on Serial Killers. Don't make these sort of accusations without backing them up with some substance. It doesn't help anything.
I think the vigilante hit has to be chosen carefully. First of all, I still think the mafia did not vote against their scumbuddy. It's too dangerous in such a close lynch. So I think the best vigilante hit has to come from the risk.nuke voters. Here is the current list:
Mattchew
zelblade
Toadesstern
Zephirdd
hiro protagonist
Palmar
However, we can narrow things down further.
Mattchew can be eliminated because of his shot on deconduo. No way would a mafia do that without copycat as a backup.
zelblade can similarly be eliminated because of his JOAT claim. The mafia have no reason to bring attention to their actual role selection in that situation.
I think we can also eliminate Toadesstern. Looking back at his posts concerning his own role selection, I see him being extremely concerned about the mason role. In fact, he even asked Sandroba about whether or not Sandroba had gotten the mason role slightly before Sentinel claimed vanilla. I think this behavior reinforces my read that he actually did take mason. I was mistaken when I said that it changed anything in the day 1 lynch - I did not realize that sandroba had already claimed vanilla at the time. Regardless, I do not think he is the best target at the moment.
As mentioned earlier, the most pro-town thing about Zephirdd is his reaction to the deconduo flip. It could have been staged, but I don't think it was. It seemed very genuine to me. Also, he has just claimed taking a hit night 1. This makes him more likely to be Serial Killer in my mind and less likely to be mafia.
This leaves only hiro protagonist and Palmar.
hiro protagonist was quite active during the number selection and role selection discussions. However, his activity levels have dropped off sharply since then. He supported a lynch on risk.nuke, but what is more interesting about that is that he didn't consider lynching Sentinel even for a second.
On May 19 2012 02:52 hiro protagonist wrote:
@talis: its not an uncommon strategy for scum to argue or scold each other in the thread, publicly distancing themselves form each other. Makes it harder for town to connect the dots when scum flip. So your points about risk/decondo are a null tell in my opinion. Doesn't help that risk has been very unhelpful all game up to this point, and adding those to things up, I give a reasonable chance that risk is scum.
I dont want to lynch Sentinel today.
@risk/marv : Its relatively certain that one of the two of you (along with Sentinel) is scum (Or 3 incredibly stupid townies, but I dont want to entertain that notion). Why you dont want to claim your roles at this point is stupid. Your role is not as important as you think. In fact, claiming your roles at this point would most likely net us a scum. so right now you essentially have a role that says "you can claim your role, and get a dt check that only checks for scum"
not to mention that after lynching scum from your claims, you would be mostly confirmed town. add it all up, its dumb not to claim...
Im gonna catch up on the thread, brb
That is post is the closest he gets for explaining how he is thinking. He later votes to "force risk.nuke to roleclaim". risk.nuke does in fact roleclaim shortly thereafter, but hiro protagonist never comes back to revisit his vote or his logic for keeping his vote on risk.nuke. Instead, his next post is approving of Palmar's threat to pardon Sentinel. He later posted that he didn't think scum would do what Sentinel did and that was why he voted for risk.nuke. However, his posts scream that he's trying to hide on the sidelines but still quietly support Sentinel, just like I would expect from a mafioso.
Palmar has not been anywhere near as useful as I had expected of him. He came into the game and spammed and cursed a bit before getting warned. He mocked zelblade's initial post in a way which makes me think Palmar was trying to point out that it was incredibly noncomittal and extremely wishy-washy. I actually agreed completely, but zelblade has since proven himself so we're not going to worry about that.
The main reason why I don't think Palmar is the best shot tonight is because, as Palmar himself has mentioned, him taking the Pardoner role and then claiming it and not using it on Sentinel was very pro-town. I think if he were scum pardoner, he wouldn't have claimed the role. At the time he claimed, I had already accused PaqMan. The mafia clearly tried to use the Sentinel claim as a way to distract the town away from PaqMan and into lynching our top draft picks. Why not hold the pardon in your back pocket as insurance, especially when you stand a chance at losing a KP role before he has used it? It doesn't make sense. And if he hadn't actually taken the Pardoner role, claiming it is extremely risky - even assuming that sandroba would be taking mason (as he had announced), Palmar is still risking that Snarfs or myself had taken the role as well. No, I think it is more likely that Palmar actually has the Pardoner role, and I think that makes him a worse shot than hiro protagonist.
TL;DR: I think we should be shooting hiro protagonist tonight. He makes the most sense as the final mafia member. Hiro, if you're town you should probably give us as much information as you have.
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