EPTI don't understand why anyone would have been shooting at him, or why anyone would be saving him (especially the saving part).
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
I don't understand why anyone would have been shooting at him, or why anyone would be saving him (especially the saving part). | ||
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
I would love to say that BB should check zelblade, but he could be framer for all we know. so i think lynching/shooting him would be the best move atm. | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On May 22 2012 07:01 marvellosity wrote: Qatol - or anyone - what do you think of Zephirdd being shot at/protted? I don't understand why anyone would have been shooting at him, or why anyone would be saving him (especially the saving part). there are several theories. A medic + a killer(I'd say its the SK since I voted risk) had the same idea of "but Qatol/marvelosity/risk are too obvious to be targets" OR a copycat-CPR targetted me together with the killer as a random kill, and I ended being saved. either way, Palmar/sandroba were getting some shit so they wouldn't be really good targets, and Qatol would be a really really obvious medsave for the night so he wouldn't be targetted either. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On May 22 2012 07:01 marvellosity wrote: I think it makes him less likely to be mafia. I'm going to assume that the protection came from talismania for right now, but I think we should confirm that talismania couldn't save himself. If this is actually the case, then talismania would only be allowed to save either Zephirdd or PaqMan, and that choice isn't too hard. If talismania could have saved himself, then Zephirdd is far more likely to be the Serial Killer. The other options are either that Zephirdd has a defensive role (a weird choice for a mafia), or Zephirdd was protected by a doctor (which someone else could claim to confirm). I think this situation is better left for day 3.Qatol - or anyone - what do you think of Zephirdd being shot at/protted? I don't understand why anyone would have been shooting at him, or why anyone would be saving him (especially the saving part). Can the witch save herself? On May 22 2012 07:03 hiro protagonist wrote: Hasn't anyone realized that zelblade claiming JOAT is very safe if he is scum because, surprise, his scum buddy has it and he knows that? He could have anything... I would love to say that BB should check zelblade, but he could be framer for all we know. so i think lynching/shooting him would be the best move atm. It's interesting that you mention this. I went back and checked the timing of everything and it turns out my memory is a little off on what exactly happened. zelblade made his actual claim after the hammer vote had been placed but before voting had closed. However, he was also the one to push for specific roleclaims because he had hinted very early on that he could confirm one of the roles taken, which led to us figuring out what happened before chaoser flipped Sentinel. I guess it's more possible than I thought for zelblade to be mafia. His other posts haven't been very constructive in general. That being said, he's definitely a weaker candidate for shooting tonight than you are right now. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On May 22 2012 07:25 Qatol wrote: Can the witch save herself? No the witch can not Do you guys want Night to be extended 24 more hours till tomorrow at 11 EST? | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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Misder
United States1557 Posts
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chaoser
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
First your point that I did not even consider voting for sent is valid. It did not cross my mind. I was sure that no scum would ever do that in that situation. Combine that with marvs mason claim and risks behavior up till that point, and I was pretty happy in lynching risk, even after his claim, which did not change my stance on alignment. I was wrong. I was cool with Palmar's threat to pardon. Ive played enough games with him to know that he was most likely bluffing in order to gather information(I have a town read on Palmar btw), or he really had a strong town read on sent and would not let him get lynched. And I trust a town Palmar on townie reads as well as my own. Your point about my activitly level dip shows that you have not played a game with me yet  Ask anyone who has played games with me before, and they will tell you that I will disappear from time to time as BOTH aligments. Plain and simple; my activity level is a null tell.Now to segway int why we should kill zelblade and not me: On May 17 2012 20:28 zelblade wrote: ... Qatol's case on Paqman is interesting. To be honest - I think that paqman's reasonings for his posting are actually pretty decent. I can understand what he means by not being able to contribute much due to fact that plans were discussed during his absense - this is actually similar for me - I was in school for most of the draft phase, and by the time I got back there wasnt much to do other than give opinions on the plan. On May 20 2012 07:13 hiro protagonist wrote: I think we should lynch PacMan next, puting these quotes side by side. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
First, you mentioned that your activity levels tend to fluctuate. Why did you come out of the woodwork so quickly after I called you out? Why hadn't you been contributing during the time period around when I called you out? You were clearly around. Second, the two quotes you posted were written almost three days apart, with one (zelblade's) being before the Sentinel lynch and one (yours) being written after. Why is it relevant to compare them? Third, I would still like you to tell us your role selection, and whether you got vanilla. If you grabbed an investigative role, please also include who you checked and the results. I recommend having all of this written out in a post which you can post in a little under 15 minutes, right after night actions can no longer be sent in, but before we get the next day post. Finally, I commend you for your reaction to my accusation. Not only did you try to address my points, but you also brought up someone you think should be given more attention and explained why you believe they are more suspicious than you are. I don't know if this weighs on whether you are town or mafia (I will have to think about it more), but I love to see such constructive play as a general matter. Excellent post. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
That being said, any massclaim we do would have to be done a certain way, would have to be done once the day started, and I don't think risk.nuke's idea of claiming from the bottom up is the right way to do it. In my opinion, a better way would be to: 1. Have anyone who picked a role but got vanilla claim. 2. After that is done and everyone who hasn't claimed verifies that they got a role, then everyone who picks a role and got it claims. The reason the order is important is because it should minimize the number of false duplicate claims. Instead, players are forced to claim they took roles they hope are not in the game. Alternatively, they can try to claim early and claim a role we know for sure already exists. The point is that the heaviest scrutiny should be placed upon people who have claimed roles which someone else has already claimed. If only one player claims to have gotten vanilla for a certain pick and one other player claims to have gotten that pick, then they do not need to be scrutinized as heavily. The big perk claiming roles in this fashion has over claiming roles from the bottom up is that players don't have the flexibility to claim roles which people below them in the queue have already claimed. Also, we don't need to worry about everyone claiming in order this way, so it eases things from a logistics standpoint. To be clear, this information would not be used to look for these players in isolation. The rest of the information we have collected throughout this game remains relevant, as does behavioral analysis. However, this simply gives us one more piece of information to help further narrow down our search. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
Night 2 ![[image loading]](http://wanabrar.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Mirai-Nikki-Episode-21-gif4.jpg) bluelightz the townie Role-cop is dead Flavor posts will be returning the next day cycle, apologies in advance for the results of the day only | ||
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slOosh
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slOosh
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
What this all means is that someone else needs to step up and direct the discussion. I know several of you could be contributing a lot more than you have been. Heck, just by looking at the other games, I know slOosh and Mattchew are around but simply aren't posting here. So everyone please try to give more meaningful, thoughtful contributions to the game. By the way, I protected marvellosity last night. He didn't take a hit. I'm thinking it's quite likely that either the mafia or the SK didn't send in a hit last night, which is why chaoser offered to extend the cycle and gave so many warnings that actions were due soon. However, if you took a hit, please claim it. | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
However, I think the problem I had with putting him at the top of my scum list though was this line here: I think we should lynch PacMan next, We had just lynched Sentinel and the conversation had moved away from PaqMan; then, he throws his name out again without anyone else, and also puts the idea in vigs heads to shoot him. Seemed kinda risky mafia play to me. What are your thoughts on that? Now, to turn the page a little. I'm wondering if all you vets out there (Qatol, sandroba, Palmar, anyone else wanting to take a stab) wouldn't mind helping me out with a look at slOosh. I'll admit, he isn't really a mafia candidate in my books, but he deserves a look as a possible SK for sure. I'm getting a much more wishy-washy feeling from slOosh than I had in a previous game I played with him. None of his posts seem committal and he constantly seems to be deferring decisions in the game to other players: I.E.: I would agree that Barundar's comment on wanting to say less is indeed suspicious, because the first instinct I had when people started throwing out my name was to clear it. But then wouldn't scum want to do that? Or SK? So I'm confused. But that might be the intended effect of that play. We see that early on he does push the Mattchew could be scum idea, as well as the general theme of tying up roles / rolepicks, which does play into the SK motif. What are people's thoughts on the mass roleclaim at day? I'm not sure because people expressed reservations but it may just have been for the night time and not the plan in itself. Also, his "longer" posts have been more concerned with mechanics than scumhunting: [example] Compare this with the slOosh from C9++ mini mafia: Link to Filter He is quite a bit more assertive and more proactive in finding mafia in this town game: [click][click] @slOosh: What gives, man? Why do you seem so wishy-washy this game? Finally, my own opinion in regards to the roleclaims: I think we should come up with a list of most suspicious people and get them to claim first. People like hiro protagonist. | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
Now to the more important stuff. On May 22 2012 06:37 hiro protagonist wrote: His actions. He soft defends PacMan. Scolds you for not following the plan (just like decondo). His post dont contribute much, and in fact, try to blend in. Ill write up a full case come morning if need be, but people should go read his filter and draw there own conclusions. So you think im scum based off a few weak points. First off, you mention that I defended Paqman. What you dont mention is that I did this near the start of D1, wherein I felt that there was a reasonable explanation of a town Paqman, since I could symphatise with how he mentioned that he didnt contribute much to the plans due to the fact that the plans were already pretty much set when he entered the thread - something similar happened for me, not being able to access the thread till very late in the drafting phase. I never mentioned paqman again in the thread for the primary reason of day 1 being occupied with sentinel, and I didnt find it neccessary to reveal my reads during the night. Also, what the hell do you mean by a "soft" defense? Do you really want me to come out guns blazing and say that Paq is confirmed town D1 based on things that I werent certain of? Qatol's case was an excellent way to apply pressure, why would I bother giving Paq any more help? I was simply stating my thoughts on what I felt was going to be a townie lynch, how is that scummy? Have you never had a wrong read D1? You say I "scold" risk for not following the plan, and reference that I did something similar to decondo. The reason for "scolding" (I dont even know why you call it that when it was just a plea to ask him to follow the damm plan) was because I wanted janitor to be accountable, and felt his actions were really retarded if they were townie at that point in time, since he had the potential to cause a chaotic day 1 which might not have ended so well - (read: if sentinel simply claimed he didnt take janitor). Off you go to write your full case. Anyway, speaking of this, I find the way Hiro calls me out to be extermely suspicious. Im just rehashing a couple of Qatol's points - but why have you been lurking so actively? You say that your activity levels flactuate, but looking at the timestamps clearly indicate that you came out of lurking around 15 minutes after Qatol called you out. Coincidence? I think not. The way that you write suspicions on me are also suspect. You take a old post of mine compared to a recent one of yours and say that it is why I am a better shot and frankly thats complete bullshit as Qatol mentioned due to the time difference between them. Not to mention that your suspicions on me makes me feel that you are using said suspisions as a way to draw heat off yourself and onto me. And of course mafia can claim JOAT - but why do so, and a townie that actually picked it and failed (read:me) will do so too. I dont see your point here I would be rather happy to lynch him right now, though if we are putting the roleclaim plan into effect I am more than willing to wait a little to see what comes out of it. | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
The zeph hit last night seems plausible considering he looked pretty townie after that outburst. He has not exactly done much though, and feels like a wierd shot. Going to assume tails saved him since him getting medic'd makes little sense when there are so many better prots. Anyway, if we are going to follow Qatol's version of the roleclaim plan, I suggest we each lay out a few options on who we consider suspect. Doing so will allow us to decide who we feel need to claim first. Alternatively we could just get someone highly trusted to make the list (Qatol most likely). Thoughts? | ||
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
Ill address Qatols questions: First, for my activity, I had left the thread sometime after the PacMan flip, and did not check in for a while. When you had made your post on me I was in the middle of re-reading the thread and going though filters. I had been doing that for a couple hours by that point, and was not even planing on responding right away, but then you asked risk to shoot me, and I thought this was some sort trap because at the time I thought Vigs only had 1 bullet, and I brought It up. Had you not brought up a case against me,(and especially one that would have me die in the night) I most likely would not have posted at all until the day post, when I would have brought out my full case on zelblade, because I did not have the time to construct it out today. Instead, I made an half ass case because I thought I might die, an I wanted people to look at zelblade if I did die. Second, The two quotes are indeed at different times, and putting them side by side is slightly more pathos than I intended. I can see why zelblade thinks Im misrepresenting him at this point. I put up my quote to aid in my defense. I posted zels because I wanted to go into discussion about not just that he soft defended him but HOW he did. Its not just one thing hes done, but a set of actions that collectively draw me to the conclusion that he is mafia. I plan on addressing this with my full right up on zelblade come morning. Third, ok, roleclaiming, its all the rage i guess. But sense i did not die last night, Ill hold for now. Im down for any organized claiming. just let me know when its my turn  One last thing: I was roleblocked last night. see you in the morning | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
btw risk im assuming you didnt shoot last night. Why did you ask Qatol to jail you? | ||
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