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Loanshark
China3094 Posts
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Vatican City State491 Posts
I dont understand how can americans want to put him in guantanamo. You cannot do anything to a Jewish person in Europe because you are labeled anti-semitic. All you americans are racist bastards. In fact, have you ever heard of a bad Jewish person? Like in a movie, or something? + Show Spoiler + Dunno how it looks like in America, but in Europe if you say the TRUTH e.g. that someone is a Jew - then you are automatically labeled a racist; you lose your job, you have to apologize; they ban you from your fav website etc. So learn this - Jew = hero = they can do whatever they want. Ask the French minister. | ||
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WhuazGoodJaggah
Lesotho777 Posts
that doesnt make any difference for the age. rape is rape, doesnt matter if you rape a 13y old or a granny. the consent came from drugs (alcohol and others). so if you bang a drunk chick from the disco saturday night, it would be rape to. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On September 29 2009 20:58 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote: that doesnt make any difference for the age. rape is rape, doesnt matter if you rape a 13y old or a granny. the consent came from drugs (alcohol and others). so if you bang a drunk chick from the disco saturday night, it would be rape to. "the consent came from drugs" lol | ||
Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On September 29 2009 20:58 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote: that doesnt make any difference for the age. rape is rape, doesnt matter if you rape a 13y old or a granny. the consent came from drugs (alcohol and others). so if you bang a drunk chick from the disco saturday night, it would be rape to. What? I was merely pointing out that your post was stupid. You posting a picture showing the differences in the age of consent all over the world is irrelevant. Yes, if he had done it further south he might have avoided it to be statutory rape, but that is irrelevant. She didn't consent to the sex (not even gonna mention rape under the use of drugs, as she even refused under the influence of it) = very clear that it was rape. Whether it was ALSO statutory rape is irrelevant to the question of whether it was rape. | ||
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WhuazGoodJaggah
Lesotho777 Posts
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Falcynn
United States3597 Posts
On September 29 2009 20:58 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote: eh? Sounds like you're agreeing with him...but I'm not sure.that doesnt make any difference for the age. rape is rape, doesnt matter if you rape a 13y old or a granny. the consent came from drugs (alcohol and others). so if you bang a drunk chick from the disco saturday night, it would be rape to. | ||
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WhuazGoodJaggah
Lesotho777 Posts
On September 29 2009 21:48 Falcynn wrote: eh? Sounds like you're agreeing with him...but I'm not sure. i'm partly agreeing with him. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36399 Posts
On September 29 2009 21:47 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote: She didn't consent to the sex? She did, but because she was loaded up with drugs. thats why I said you could consider someone fucking a drunk girl he met in a disco and paid some drinks a rapist to. i dont know why you think this is a good argument for you, because if someone is too drunk or "loaded up" with drugs to give consent, that is rape. they don't actually have to say "no." they just have to NOT say "yes." rape is sex without consent, if someone is too intoxicated to give consent, thats rape. in fact, you can actually get convicted of rape if the person you have sex with says YES as long as its obvious they are too drunk to actually consent. so if someone is so drugged up and/or drunk and says "have sex with me now, YES" you can still be convicted of rape after. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36399 Posts
On September 29 2009 20:58 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote: that doesnt make any difference for the age. rape is rape, doesnt matter if you rape a 13y old or a granny. the consent came from drugs (alcohol and others). so if you bang a drunk chick from the disco saturday night, it would be rape to. yes, that'd be rape, provided she was so drunk that she couldn't consent. do you actually think consent can come from drugs or alcohol? thats a ridiculous argument that i cant even begin to address. | ||
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WhuazGoodJaggah
Lesotho777 Posts
On September 29 2009 22:43 Hot_Bid wrote: i dont know why you think this is a good argument for you, because if someone is too drunk or "loaded up" with drugs to give consent, that is rape. they don't actually have to say "no." they just have to NOT say "yes." rape is sex without consent, if someone is too intoxicated to give consent, thats rape. in fact, you can actually get convicted of rape if the person you have sex with says YES as long as its obvious they are too drunk to actually consent. so if someone is so drugged up and/or drunk and says "have sex with me now, YES" you can still be convicted of rape after. why dont you get convicted of rape then? and how is it when you are drunk too, who is the rapist then? do you actually think consent can come from drugs or alcohol? thats a ridiculous argument that i cant even begin to address. yes, consent can come from drugs or alcohol. I know women who slept with guys because of alcohol and they regret that hard, but at that night they wanted to fuck whyever. but I think this is more of a language barrier problem. you know, not everyone is native english. I used this translator to translate consent (link) and it matched with the stuff i had in mind. besides that, the picture I posted is from an article that is called "Schutzalter" which is "Protection age" directly translated. I really dont see why you hand me up on a word I never used. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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WhuazGoodJaggah
Lesotho777 Posts
On September 29 2009 23:02 BlackJack wrote: Where exactly are you getting your facts that the victim consented at all? Or are you just making them up as you go? You watched the documentation? And as I said in the previous Post, I didnt bring in that shitword. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36399 Posts
no, consent can't come from drugs or alcohol, i don't know why you're insisting on this, its not a matter of opinion. | ||
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
I'm not sure what the law in CA is, and I'm too lazy to read a bunch of cases. I'm just trying to point out that WhuazGoodJaggah's assertion that "I know women who slept with guys because of alcohol and they regret that hard, but at that night they wanted to fuck whyever" is not based on any legal knowledge that he has. You don't get to decide what consent is by your social experiences, it's a matter of law for the courts of whatever jurisdiction to decide. | ||
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
We just don't want our kids to get taken advantage of, that's all. | ||
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cz
United States3249 Posts
This made me lol irl | ||
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WhuazGoodJaggah
Lesotho777 Posts
On September 29 2009 23:22/32 Slow Motion wrote: The law of consent in rape cases where there is incapacity (drugs or alcohol) seems to vary pretty widely from state to state in the U.S. Several state statutes provide that intoxication (even when voluntary) can negate consent. I'm not sure what the law in CA is, and I'm too lazy to read a bunch of cases. I'm just trying to point out that WhuazGoodJaggah's assertion that "I know women who slept with guys because of alcohol and they regret that hard, but at that night they wanted to fuck whyever" is not based on any legal knowledge that he has. You don't get to decide what consent is by your social experiences, it's a matter of law for the courts of whatever jurisdiction to decide. And also if you read the transcript for this case, you can see why we have the age of consent that we do in the U.S. I don't mind two 13 year olds fucking, but we're trying to prevent just this situation where an older person, with more experience and power, completely dominates a young victim who doesn't have the maturity or willpower to fight him off. We just don't want our kids to get taken advantage of, that's all. The fact that many women get fucked when they are drunk and that very little ammount of men doing this are convicted of rape comes from social expirience and not from legal knowledge. I dont know how you call this, we call this the "dark figure". In Switzerland (this is where RP is sitting and where im from) rape is considered an "official delict" (dunno the english word) so the victim can not decide weather the rapist should go to jail or not. According to this legal situation, someone who fucks a loaded guy/girl should go to jail no matter wether the counterpart "went to the cops" or not. But these cases are like non existant here, but the fucking loaded girls/guys is happening every weekend. Grown ups can just take such failures on them self (if I fuck with a fugly girl, I consider this my own fault not her fault to load me up). Younger ppl have a different view on such stuff, but especially their parents have a different view. You think a 20y old virgin has more expiriance than a 15y old nymphomaniac? I fought verbally with my teachers when I was 9. I made up my own decision since I was very young, but I also had to stand for them and suffered because I made a lot of very stupid decisions. Age is a very bad indicator to use as a hard line to decide expirience and power. Thats why the us american system is very stupid with limiting the power to make such decisions up to 18/17/16 (sex) or alcohol/casino(21). Such decision are very individual and should not be bound by a general age limit. besides that, I couldnt care less about this idiot fucking a 13 year old girl like 30 years ago. I just think its funny that those ppl wanting to fuck so young girls dont go to the place where its actually legal to do it. Just like ppl going to Netherland to smoke weed and eat shrooms. On September 29 2009 23:20 Hot_Bid wrote: no, consent can't come from drugs or alcohol, i don't know why you're insisting on this, its not a matter of opinion. yes it can! If I use that translation I posted it is perfectly possible, if there is a Problem its the language aka not the exact correct word. but if you want to still rid on this dickword we can argue in german/swiss german and then you will be on the weak language part can you can fight with such bullshit. | ||
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cz
United States3249 Posts
On September 30 2009 00:09 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote: The fact that many women get fucked when they are drunk and that very little ammount of men doing this are convicted of rape comes from social expirience and not from legal knowledge. I dont know how you call this, we call this the "dark figure". In Switzerland (this is where RP is sitting and where im from) rape is considered an "official delict" (dunno the english word) so the victim can not decide weather the rapist should go to jail or not. According to this legal situation, someone who fucks a loaded guy/girl should go to jail no matter wether the counterpart "went to the cops" or not. But these cases are like non existant here, but the fucking loaded girls/guys is happening every weekend. Grown ups can just take such failures on them self (if I fuck with a fugly girl, I consider this my own fault not her fault to load me up). Younger ppl have a different view on such stuff, but especially their parents have a different view. You think a 20y old virgin has more expiriance than a 15y old nymphomaniac? I fought verbally with my teachers when I was 9. I made up my own decision since I was very young, but I also had to stand for them and suffered because I made a lot of very stupid decisions. Age is a very bad indicator to use as a hard line to decide expirience and power. Thats why the us american system is very stupid with limiting the power to make such decisions up to 18/17/16 (sex) or alcohol/casino(21). Such decision are very individual and should not be bound by a general age limit. besides that, I couldnt care less about this idiot fucking a 13 year old girl like 30 years ago. I just think its funny that those ppl wanting to fuck so young girls dont go to the place where its actually legal to do it. Just like ppl going to Netherland to smoke weed and eat shrooms. yes it can! If I use that translation I posted it is perfectly possible, if there is a Problem its the language aka not the exact correct word. but if you want to still rid on this dickword we can argue in german/swiss german and then you will be on the weak language part can you can fight with such bullshit. Consent can't come from alcohol or drugs. In North America at least, the law has it set that there is by default no consent until consent is given. You seem to be suggesting the opposite: there is consent until someone clearly states otherwise, and if drugs hamper you from making it clear that you do not consent then it's your fault and therefore not rape if someone has sex with you. Explain. ---- This is naturally all irrelevant to the Polanski case, of course, as American law is the purveyor and the testimony describes rape. Actually even the testimony is irrelevant as he pleaded guilty and was convicted. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36399 Posts
The bottom line is Roman Polanski didn't get consent from the girl he had sex with. There was no consent, as defined in the American legal system where rape = sex without consent. I don't know why you keep bringing up these tangential arguments, it really doesn't matter what the translation or word means in other countries, or that some countries have an age of consent thats 13 years. edit: yeah i completely forgot he even pleaded guilty to it, rofl | ||
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