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lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
September 29 2009 15:20 GMT
#121
On September 30 2009 00:09 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:
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On September 29 2009 23:22/32 Slow Motion wrote:
The law of consent in rape cases where there is incapacity (drugs or alcohol) seems to vary pretty widely from state to state in the U.S. Several state statutes provide that intoxication (even when voluntary) can negate consent.

I'm not sure what the law in CA is, and I'm too lazy to read a bunch of cases. I'm just trying to point out that WhuazGoodJaggah's assertion that "I know women who slept with guys because of alcohol and they regret that hard, but at that night they wanted to fuck whyever" is not based on any legal knowledge that he has.

You don't get to decide what consent is by your social experiences, it's a matter of law for the courts of whatever jurisdiction to decide.

And also if you read the transcript for this case, you can see why we have the age of consent that we do in the U.S. I don't mind two 13 year olds fucking, but we're trying to prevent just this situation where an older person, with more experience and power, completely dominates a young victim who doesn't have the maturity or willpower to fight him off.

We just don't want our kids to get taken advantage of, that's all.


The fact that many women get fucked when they are drunk and that very little ammount of men doing this are convicted of rape comes from social expirience and not from legal knowledge. I dont know how you call this, we call this the "dark figure".

In Switzerland (this is where RP is sitting and where im from) rape is considered an "official delict" (dunno the english word) so the victim can not decide weather the rapist should go to jail or not. According to this legal situation, someone who fucks a loaded guy/girl should go to jail no matter wether the counterpart "went to the cops" or not. But these cases are like non existant here, but the fucking loaded girls/guys is happening every weekend. Grown ups can just take such failures on them self (if I fuck with a fugly girl, I consider this my own fault not her fault to load me up). Younger ppl have a different view on such stuff, but especially their parents have a different view.

You think a 20y old virgin has more expiriance than a 15y old nymphomaniac? I fought verbally with my teachers when I was 9. I made up my own decision since I was very young, but I also had to stand for them and suffered because I made a lot of very stupid decisions. Age is a very bad indicator to use as a hard line to decide expirience and power. Thats why the us american system is very stupid with limiting the power to make such decisions up to 18/17/16 (sex) or alcohol/casino(21). Such decision are very individual and should not be bound by a general age limit.


besides that, I couldnt care less about this idiot fucking a 13 year old girl like 30 years ago. I just think its funny that those ppl wanting to fuck so young girls dont go to the place where its actually legal to do it. Just like ppl going to Netherland to smoke weed and eat shrooms.



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On September 29 2009 23:20 Hot_Bid wrote:
no, consent can't come from drugs or alcohol, i don't know why you're insisting on this, its not a matter of opinion.

yes it can! If I use that translation I posted it is perfectly possible, if there is a Problem its the language aka not the exact correct word. but if you want to still rid on this dickword we can argue in german/swiss german and then you will be on the weak language part can you can fight with such bullshit.


whether or not a person is ready for intercourse is not for you to decide. whatever is written in the law of whatever area you are in decides. it's just the way the world works. where RP drugged, raped and sodomized this 13 year old it happens that it's illegal. ergo, he should be punished. straight forward, no?
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
September 29 2009 15:24 GMT
#122
i don't know why he's bringing up all these completely irrelevant points
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lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
September 29 2009 15:31 GMT
#123
On September 30 2009 00:24 Hot_Bid wrote:
i don't know why he's bringing up all these completely irrelevant points


agree. it made little to no sense to me either :/

i think he was trying to argue that the gravity of RP's crime has been exaggerated because the girl was obviously a lot more mature than the law would say (13 year old = child). which is obviously a horrible argument.
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
September 29 2009 15:35 GMT
#124
His brilliant analysis of jurisdiction in this case is we have to apply the law where Polanski "is sitting". Damn, first they neglect to teach me Swiss law, and then they fail to mention the "sitting" doctrine of what law to apply. How can I ever understand criminal law in the US if this was never taught to me?
CrimsonLotus
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Colombia1123 Posts
September 29 2009 15:37 GMT
#125
The guy sodomized a 13 year old, pleaded guilty and was sentenced.

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cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
September 29 2009 15:38 GMT
#126
On September 30 2009 00:37 CrimsonLotus wrote:
The guy sodomized a 13 year old, pleaded guilty and wasn't sentenced.

/Thread


fyp
lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
September 29 2009 15:53 GMT
#127
oh wait i get what he was saying now.

girls going to a party, getting drunk and hooking up is a different situation. the girl at the party got drunk voluntary and, assuming she''s experienced alcohol before, can to some degree control herself and understand her body's limits. if a girl claimed to be raped while drunk at a party, then it would have to be looked at on a case-by case basis, because rape with alcohol involved has a lot of grey area.

in RPs case he insisted and pressured the girl to take the drugs and alcohol with the obvious intention of raping her. this is the key difference. the girl didn't WANT to take the drugs, and also didnt really know what effect they would have. he knew what effect they would have. he was obviously taking advantage of her which makes it a clear-cut case of rape. among the effects, quaaludes have an aphrodisiac effect, which im sure he knew because his physician had "prescribed" some to him (lol what a lucky guy)
cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
September 29 2009 16:12 GMT
#128
From what I understand in my state (WA) if a minor blows a .02 they cannot give consent.

Long story short come back the next day and see if they still want to fuck you.
dnosrc
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany454 Posts
September 29 2009 17:29 GMT
#129
lazz:

I understand your point of view and it is clear that it shouldnt matter if a director or whatever did a crime. But in this case the presiding judge Rittenband did not close the case because Polanski is a celebrity. Rittenband was the "judge of the stars" and tried to get as much publicity as he could get through the case.
BalliSLife
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
1339 Posts
September 29 2009 17:45 GMT
#130
Wow maybe we should give free pedo passes to James Cameron and Steven Spielberg, I MEAN LOOK AT THEIR ACCOMPLISHMENTS PPL. But seriously if you go to smokinggun or whatever that site is you can read the whole transcript from that girl of what polanski did to her, it was NOT consensual.
Ya well, at least I don't fuck a fleshlight with a condom on and cry at the same time.
chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
September 29 2009 18:40 GMT
#131
i know im just repeating things, but none the less:

the worst thing is not that she was 13 - although there are many problems with that. it's that she was drugged and raped. this is nothing like getting drunk at a bar with a girl and fucking her. the situations are not analogous. this is more like slipping someone a quaalude and anally raping them.
:O
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
September 29 2009 20:51 GMT
#132
You guys realize that the whole mess is more about the way and time he got arrested rather than him being guilty or not, right?
No matter who he is, how long ago he did what he did, how much he apologized to the victim, he should go to jail, and all these artists and celebs arround the world backing him up are just making fools of themselves.
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BrodiaQ
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States892 Posts
September 29 2009 21:36 GMT
#133
On September 28 2009 21:12 pubbanana wrote:
He was a Holocaust survivor, his wife was murdered by Charles Manson, he had sex with a thirteen year old girl, and he is an award-winning film director. I would be happy to be able to say just one of those things.


I rofled
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sukila
Profile Joined November 2007
Germany57 Posts
September 29 2009 22:26 GMT
#134
hmmm i heard all this happened in jack nicholsons villa....first question coming to my mind....wtf is a 13year old girl doin in nicholson's house?
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
September 29 2009 23:25 GMT
#135
On September 30 2009 07:26 sukila wrote:
hmmm i heard all this happened in jack nicholsons villa....first question coming to my mind....wtf is a 13year old girl doin in nicholson's house?


Have you even seen Nicholson? If that's not a hardcore pedo smile, I don't know what is.
BalliSLife
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
1339 Posts
September 30 2009 08:03 GMT
#136
On September 30 2009 08:25 Sadistx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2009 07:26 sukila wrote:
hmmm i heard all this happened in jack nicholsons villa....first question coming to my mind....wtf is a 13year old girl doin in nicholson's house?


Have you even seen Nicholson? If that's not a hardcore pedo smile, I don't know what is.


LOL
Ya well, at least I don't fuck a fleshlight with a condom on and cry at the same time.
EatThePath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3943 Posts
September 30 2009 08:49 GMT
#137
On September 29 2009 06:11 phosphorylation wrote:
**Artist my ass.**
The Pianist is a mediocre piece of work -- typical holocaust sob story.


lol?

southlight covered everything, gj sir.
Comprehensive strategic intention: DNE
XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2358 Posts
September 30 2009 11:31 GMT
#138
dude my little sister is 13 years old... geez

kill tha bastard ....
ἡ τῆς Νεμέσεως τάξις
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-30 12:42:22
September 30 2009 12:42 GMT
#139
there is a docu that came out last year : Marina Zenovich - Roman Polanski: Wanted and Desired [2008]
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
cyronc
Profile Joined March 2008
218 Posts
September 30 2009 17:29 GMT
#140
the only problem in this case is that in california EVERY intercourse with a 13-years-old girl (if she wants or not) counts as rape before the law (the motive is quite OK, to protect underage ppl, but considering EVERY (and thus even willingly) sexual intercourse rape is imho just plain wrong...

(read the 3rd post in thread, even the 'victim' thinks this is an obsolete case)
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