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NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
July 14 2010 00:04 GMT
#201
On July 14 2010 08:54 Kashmir wrote:Logic dictates that if you do the crime you do the time.

There are logical reasons for criminals to not be punished. It's incorrect to say that logic is defied every time a legal system drops a charge, reduces a charge, or reduces a sentence. There are logical reasons on both sides of the issue and people have to reason out the answer. Logic doesn't dictate anything.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Kashmir
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand178 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-14 00:21:30
July 14 2010 00:07 GMT
#202
Fair enough but why wouldn't it be reasonable to assume he gets a lengthy prison sentance for raping a little girl then? Ninety days seems way too lenient. Was that the usual sentance for child rape at the time? If so then I can see why he fled (even if I don't agree with it).
Nobody is perfect. I am nobody. Therefore, I am perfect.
RoyW
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Ireland270 Posts
July 14 2010 00:10 GMT
#203
"Victim Samantha Geimer, now 45-years-old, has also called for the case to be dismissed"
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
July 14 2010 00:11 GMT
#204
On July 14 2010 09:07 Kashmir wrote:
Fair enough but why wouldn't it be reasonable to assume he gets a lengthy prison sentance for raping a little girl then? Ninety days seems way too lenient. Was that the usual sentance for child at the time? If so then I see why he would have fled.

I don't really care about this particular case much. If someone else wants to take this up, go for it. I was just pointing out that you can't feel confident in the side of the issue you've taken just because you have a logical argument on your side. In most legal issues, there are logical arguments on both sides.

I admit I don't immediately perceive and understand why Polanski has so much support but I also admit I don't care enough to go learn why.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Pablols
Profile Joined August 2009
Chile519 Posts
July 14 2010 00:13 GMT
#205
imagine if someone raped your daughter, then 30 years later he gets away with it, fk that, he should get twice the time for avoiding the charges for so long
dafunk
Profile Joined January 2009
France521 Posts
July 14 2010 00:18 GMT
#206
On July 14 2010 09:10 RoyW wrote:
"Victim Samantha Geimer, now 45-years-old, has also called for the case to be dismissed"

bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-14 00:24:24
July 14 2010 00:24 GMT
#207
In May, Polanski broke months of silence to plead his case in a written statement.

"It is true: 33 years ago I pleaded guilty, and I served time at the prison for common law crimes at Chino, not in a VIP prison. That period was to have covered the totality of my sentence. By the time I left prison, the judge had changed his mind and claimed that the time served at Chino did not fulfil the entire sentence, and it is this reversal that justified my leaving the United States," he wrote.

That would be true if he had been given a sentence at that time, which he had not.

On July 14 2010 09:18 dafunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2010 09:10 RoyW wrote:
"Victim Samantha Geimer, now 45-years-old, has also called for the case to be dismissed"


I am sympathetic to Mrs. Geimer's opinion. I do not think, however, that her opinion trumps the law.
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brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9643 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-14 00:31:26
July 14 2010 00:26 GMT
#208
edit::meh i just stir up shit

but ---v extradition is serious shit. that is a silly statement.
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
July 14 2010 00:30 GMT
#209
All Sweden's ruling does is tell everyone it's ok to commit crime, hide for an extended period of time, then move to their country.

We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
Lucktar
Profile Joined July 2008
United States526 Posts
July 14 2010 00:50 GMT
#210
On July 14 2010 09:30 PanN wrote:
All Sweden's ruling does is tell everyone it's ok to commit crime, hide for an extended period of time, then move to their country.


Switzerland, dude. Switzerland.
NaDa, much, ZerO fighting!
Grond
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
599 Posts
July 14 2010 07:55 GMT
#211
On September 28 2009 22:15 Not_A_Notion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2009 21:27 Slow Motion wrote:
You guys shouldn't put too much weight on what the victim wants. The purpose of criminal law isn't to get "justice" for one particular victim, but to protect society through deterrence, retribution, and rehabilitation. That's why the government, not victims, prosecutes defendants on behalf of the people.

If Polanski had sex with or raped a 13 year old, he should be sentenced accordingly, even if Geimer is ready to move on. It's not about her.


Excellent point.

If he felt that the judge illegally changed the plea bargain then he should have gone about trying to get it quashed without fleeing the state,

Hence
"In May, a Californian judge dismissed Polanski's bid because he failed to appear in court."
What he tried to do was get have his cake and eat it. If his appeal succeeded he could return to the US whenever he wanted, if it failed then he wouldn't do jail time since he wouldn't be in the country, that's a pretty asymmetric outcome. No judge would agree to hear a case in that situation.


Get it quashed, how do you propose he should have done that? Polanski served his sentence and the judge wanted to change the sentence after the fact. If the new judge hadn't already made up his mind he wouldn't have insisted on Polanski turning himself in to hear the case. The US refused to turn over the details of the case to Swiss authorities to prove he was actually a fugitive.
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
July 14 2010 08:14 GMT
#212
On September 29 2009 16:43 zatic wrote:
When this thread is finished I would love to make a direct comparison of the general consensus with this thread:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=93135

I predict that torturing and killing 29000 people will be generally accepted over raping one girl.

I was right!
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