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On September 22 2012 12:25 Zephirdd wrote:
hey I am a mountain with wildlife. Al them girls say that ehll yea
drunk, partyime. somehow ange's lynch feelss worng. guys please kill palm hes useless
so you come in here and saw we should lynch palmer. And yet you just acted like palmer has this game............. wtf
if somebody thinks we shouldnt lynch ange i want a god damn explantion. She comes in here saying her top two reads are me and mementos. From my point of view she gave absouloutley no read what so ever and i think that was the purpose of her post to feign contribution while giving no reads in the likely event she gets lynched. When she flips scum it would all intent and puproses make me almost confirmed town. Thats why she came in here and posted like she did she wants to leave the town with nothing. I think its complete bs that she didnt see mementoss post.
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On September 22 2012 01:33 Hapahauli wrote:@ BluelightzShow nested quote +1. Mementoss's post's rather took my interest because he stood out out of the rest of teh people posting at the time, that't why I made my case on him, I took 10 quotes because I wanted to see how he posted after his original posting. DID YOU LOOK AT THE POST'S I QUOTED? Sure I wouldn't of made the case if Memen looked like he was contributing.
2. I didn't want to sheep, I always have my reasons for voting X or not voting Y.
3. How was I supposed to interact when I was sleeping when prplhz was on? Points #1 and #3 are fair, but Point #2 is one of my main issues. You shouldn't be concerned for giving your reasons for voting someone when there's a strong bandwagon on them. In your other games as town, you were very comfortable sheeping cases, or voting without detailing your reasoning. You bombing a semi-long case on prplzh when he had 4 votes on him was really odd, and IMO not something that should have crossed your mind if you largely agreed with the bandwagon on him. Show nested quote +On my meta, I'm trying to NOT flood the town with 'useless' town reads, and keep them for when I need to defend them from a impending lynch, on the 'sure or not sure on reads' thing, I felt more confident with my choices on cases this game. This is odd to me. Why would you withhold information from the town. Waiting for a huge bandwagon to form on someone before you defend them is just strange. Why wouldn't you try to prevent that bandwagon/lynch in the first place by disclosing your town reads? Lastly, I'd like your comments on the Ange777 suspicions if possible. Any other reads you have would do. The more open, the better.
Point #2: I don't feel comfortable simply sheeping because it's probably my fault for being fingered for "Oh he only sheeped he might be scum", I don't like to sheep because of that.
Other point: Flooding the thread with my town reads aren't that useful if they're not the person being discussed, and that if I just flood the thread with town reads people will finger me for "He's only spouting town reads, he's not scum hunting kill him!"
TL;DR Don't like leaving things to chance
Ange777 will come after reading the thread.
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its on the same page as the night post for god sake.
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On Ange777, I like the points against Ange, I don't like that Ange made one case on prplhz, then made another, with the points, it's just recycling bullshit.
Right now, Palmar seems more scummy to me then Ange (but willing to switch if need be) because
On September 18 2012 23:05 Palmar wrote:
ok I've caught up.
Will read more attentively later, some of you guys textwall like bosses. Here's my current idea of the thread.
I will deny!
iamperfection
Hapahauli
blazinghand
Palmar
Junglers
Zephirdd
Mementoss
bluelightz
prplhz
Ange777
mkfuba07
5 carries on your team
Marvellosity
HiroPro
austinmcc
Seriously? Palmar's a vet but I don't think he can go down this low, I think the unexplained list is self-evident of why it's bad.
On September 22 2012 00:09 Palmar wrote:
Hiro, then possibly bluelightz, or austinmcc, but austin I would rather not lynch right now.
ange and zeph are much more in the null/leaning town territory.
hapa, meme, iamperf are the guys I'm pretty sure are town.
It's irrelevant, and sure I can make a case as to why I think Ange is town, but it's not going to be what you expect or what you want to hear.
don't think I can today though. But we have plenty of time.
Additionally, This post: Unexplained stuff all across the board! Then he thinks Ange IS town but refuses to disclose why HE thinks Ange is town.
Lastly, I view Palmar's tunneling of marv only to be viewed as "doing something" (read: scumhunting).
##Vote: Palmar
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On September 22 2012 10:57 Hapahauli wrote:Oh damn looks like I just missed Ange. For when she gets back... @ Ange777I don't think you've addressed the most incriminating point against you yet - the clear contradictions between your pre-lynch mentality and your case on iamperfection. Firstly, this quote: Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 06:03 Ange777 wrote:
Where is the flip? I wanna get the celebration starting At this point you clearly thing prplzh is scum for the reasons of the fail-claim (as posted in your first defense post). The problem is, there's no reason for you to suspect iamperfection for his vote. Pre-lynch, your comment on iamperfection's vote is fine. However post-lynch, there's a huge contradiction in your mentality:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 01:07 Ange777 wrote:Finally people are taking a closer look at Palmar. I don't know about his past achievements of being perhaps a terrific scum hunter but I have not seen anything worthy of being praised like that in this game yet. Unfortunately I won't be in for the deadline, for now my top scum reads are Palmar and iamperfection. @iamperfection: On September 20 2012 22:57 iamperfection wrote:
also at ange i want to you to explain more on your thought process at the deadline. What was going through your head when the claims came out.
What was going on? I have you marked as a scum read that's what's going on. Why would someone give up his right to vote just to simply sheep another player? Especially sheeping someone you yourself called a terrible townie. There is no town motivatoin for that kind of play. Publicly stating to sheep your town read just gives you an excuse to be wrong with your vote because you were not responsible for it. And suddenly vote switching in the last minutes onto the seemingly scum prplhz whom you had not mentioned again after dismissing Blazinghand's case as being a weak meta case is just something I don't understand. Two possibilities: 1) You are town. You want to make sure prplhz gets lynched. But we already had the majority to lynch him. So why the last minute vote? We discussed prplhz a lot before the end of Day 1 and you did not give your stance on him. 2) You are scum. You wanted to get some town cred for jumping on "scum prplhz".Right now I am leaning to 2 as you still haven't given me a satisfying answer for your voting behaviour. Firstly, there's no reason you should be suspicious of iamperfection for his fakevote due to your comments on the prplzh fake-claim. As you have stated, prplzh's fake-claim is the thing that re-affirmed your scumread on him. Problem is, you show a complete ignorance of this mentality when attacking iamperfection. It's pretty clear that iamperfection switched his vote for the same reason that you re-affirmed your read on prplzh. Despite the supposedly similar mentalities, you show a complete unawareness of this when attacking iamperfection. It should have been obvious to you why he switched his vote. It reads like you are forcing suspicions, and this disconnect in your mentality reinforces this. Now as for the bolded part, it just makes no damn sense. As marv said earlier, why hypothetical scum iamperfection try to get town cred for jumping on prplhz? Scum iamperfection would have known that prplzh was town. This makes 0% sense, and is more evidence for me that you're forcing cases/suspicion on players. It also doesn't help that the overall post is just terrible analysis. You seem to be more ticked off at iamperfection for "voting responsibility" rather than actual scummy behavior. A townie switching his vote after a huge fail-claim is pretty normal (and obvious), yet for some reason you're completely oblivious to it. I'm interested in hearing your response, but I can't think of any town-mentality for your suspicions on iamperfection. I will say that if you can't convince the town, dump your reads on as many players as you can, Right now, you're relentlessly tunneling iamperfection (and mementoss for a while... lol?). If you refuse to provide detailed reads on other players, I promise you will get lynched tomorrow.
Ange, I absolutely need an explanation for what's been bolded here.
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EBWOP: piss, Hapa had bolded parts himself. The bolded bit about hypothetical scum iamp trying to get cred for jumping on prplhz. It makes no sense and it needs explaining and you haven't done so.
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On September 22 2012 13:30 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 12:25 Zephirdd wrote:
hey I am a mountain with wildlife. Al them girls say that ehll yea
drunk, partyime. somehow ange's lynch feelss worng. guys please kill palm hes useless so you come in here and saw we should lynch palmer. And yet you just acted like palmer has this game............. wtf if somebody thinks we shouldnt lynch ange i want a god damn explantion. She comes in here saying her top two reads are me and mementos. From my point of view she gave absouloutley no read what so ever and i think that was the purpose of her post to feign contribution while giving no reads in the likely event she gets lynched. When she flips scum it would all intent and puproses make me almost confirmed town. Thats why she came in here and posted like she did she wants to leave the town with nothing. I think its complete bs that she didnt see mementoss post.
Holy shit that post was offensive. Sorry ange.
On another note, many things ange has done make sense to me. For example, its reasonable to think that she thought your voting was a way to get towncred by doing something so stupid that scum would never do(thnk of Risen on liii).
This and palmar defending her. If she flips green it puts this itolduso face on him and will cause even more confusion regarding the thread. Palmar has been useles and me and marv provided enough reasons to kill him already.
Now to fix my hangover...
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On September 22 2012 20:13 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 13:30 iamperfection wrote:On September 22 2012 12:25 Zephirdd wrote:
hey I am a mountain with wildlife. Al them girls say that ehll yea
drunk, partyime. somehow ange's lynch feelss worng. guys please kill palm hes useless so you come in here and saw we should lynch palmer. And yet you just acted like palmer has this game............. wtf if somebody thinks we shouldnt lynch ange i want a god damn explantion. She comes in here saying her top two reads are me and mementos. From my point of view she gave absouloutley no read what so ever and i think that was the purpose of her post to feign contribution while giving no reads in the likely event she gets lynched. When she flips scum it would all intent and puproses make me almost confirmed town. Thats why she came in here and posted like she did she wants to leave the town with nothing. I think its complete bs that she didnt see mementoss post. Holy shit that post was offensive. Sorry ange. On another note, many things ange has done make sense to me. For example, its reasonable to think that she thought your voting was a way to get towncred by doing something so stupid that scum would never do(thnk of Risen on liii). This and palmar defending her. If she flips green it puts this itolduso face on him and will cause even more confusion regarding the thread. Palmar has been useles and me and marv provided enough reasons to kill him already. Now to fix my hangover...
speaking of offensive posts why dont we take another look at this gem.
On September 21 2012 11:46 Zephirdd wrote:
As I said, Bluelightz is bluelightz. I can't fucking read him for good. I just ignore him.
iamperfection is my main scum read, and I don't think his voting would make him town. I mean, I'd do that vote if I were scum. It makes no sense as the vote won't matter at the time(prplhz would be lynched anyway), but the fact that you do it in the middle of that clusterfuck makes it look townie. I know this is wifom, but I can see that occuring with a scum player.
As an example, think of Risen on TL Mafia LIII. There, he made some crazy voting/unvoting shenenigans on the last minute when the lynch targets were me and Ottoxlol IIRC. The way he made it made everyone follow the logic that "he is scum if Ottoxlol is scum and town if Ottoxlol is town". Ottoxlol was town, and he was scum. It seriously midfucked everyone. Well, at least me.
This is why I don't think IMP's vote shenenigans would say anything about him being town. Someone mentioned that IMP was more careful when he played as scum, and that makes me think of another player: JingleHell. Last time I player scum with him, he told me he would be really aggressive/abrasive because he was careful on his previous scum game, and his 'town' meta was aggressive.
IMP now and JH then are basically the same: greenhorns who just came out of their newbie games. This is why I don't believe that comparing IMP to his previous scum game will say anything about him being town either.
The issue I have with a IMP lynch right now is this: when I tried to purse his filter for more reasons to kill him, he's proven to be incredibly useful post day1. So while I don't believe the above makes him town, he's been asking some pretty good questions.
And this leads to Ange777. From what I understand, her death would say a lot about imp. Also, you guys did an incredible job at checking ange's actions - we basically need her to explain stuff and see if she's coherent - and she looks really bad after that night I guess.
I want to see what everyone has to say about ange.
You see to have an obsession with trying to make links between players without them having even flipped scum. Ange take another look at this post and tell me what you think please. And once again your points about me make no sense last time i checked i am not risen.
And just to be toally transparent my top scum reads are you, ange and palmer.
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On September 22 2012 13:33 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 01:33 Hapahauli wrote:@ Bluelightz1. Mementoss's post's rather took my interest because he stood out out of the rest of teh people posting at the time, that't why I made my case on him, I took 10 quotes because I wanted to see how he posted after his original posting. DID YOU LOOK AT THE POST'S I QUOTED? Sure I wouldn't of made the case if Memen looked like he was contributing.
2. I didn't want to sheep, I always have my reasons for voting X or not voting Y.
3. How was I supposed to interact when I was sleeping when prplhz was on? Points #1 and #3 are fair, but Point #2 is one of my main issues. You shouldn't be concerned for giving your reasons for voting someone when there's a strong bandwagon on them. In your other games as town, you were very comfortable sheeping cases, or voting without detailing your reasoning. You bombing a semi-long case on prplzh when he had 4 votes on him was really odd, and IMO not something that should have crossed your mind if you largely agreed with the bandwagon on him. On my meta, I'm trying to NOT flood the town with 'useless' town reads, and keep them for when I need to defend them from a impending lynch, on the 'sure or not sure on reads' thing, I felt more confident with my choices on cases this game. This is odd to me. Why would you withhold information from the town. Waiting for a huge bandwagon to form on someone before you defend them is just strange. Why wouldn't you try to prevent that bandwagon/lynch in the first place by disclosing your town reads? Lastly, I'd like your comments on the Ange777 suspicions if possible. Any other reads you have would do. The more open, the better. Point #2: I don't feel comfortable simply sheeping because it's probably my fault for being fingered for "Oh he only sheeped he might be scum", I don't like to sheep because of that. Other point: Flooding the thread with my town reads aren't that useful if they're not the person being discussed, and that if I just flood the thread with town reads people will finger me for "He's only spouting town reads, he's not scum hunting kill him!"TL;DR Don't like leaving things to chance Ange777 will come after reading the thread.
Now normally I view these things as mafia-mentality. I don't know why a townie would be scared of making reads because people would point fingers or be suspicious of them. I see these defensive impulses as mafia traits.
However, as many of you have stated, this is Bluelightz. Is he capable of this as town? I honestly don't think so, since he's normally pretty reckless/carefree as town.
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I just think ahead and actually consider what info we could gain from a flip. Like when I say that mkfuba's lynch wouldnt give us much. Thinking objectively, perhaps your flip would say more about ange than the reverse. Nevertheless, Palmar's flip is the most desirable right now - and that we can agree on. 'Cause... yknow, lynchin scum > lynching for info
Also I dont get austins questions about mountains. Wildlife=green and tallest=thread presence?
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On September 22 2012 23:39 Hapahauli wrote:@ AnyoneShow nested quote +On September 22 2012 13:33 Bluelightz wrote:On September 22 2012 01:33 Hapahauli wrote:@ Bluelightz1. Mementoss's post's rather took my interest because he stood out out of the rest of teh people posting at the time, that't why I made my case on him, I took 10 quotes because I wanted to see how he posted after his original posting. DID YOU LOOK AT THE POST'S I QUOTED? Sure I wouldn't of made the case if Memen looked like he was contributing.
2. I didn't want to sheep, I always have my reasons for voting X or not voting Y.
3. How was I supposed to interact when I was sleeping when prplhz was on? Points #1 and #3 are fair, but Point #2 is one of my main issues. You shouldn't be concerned for giving your reasons for voting someone when there's a strong bandwagon on them. In your other games as town, you were very comfortable sheeping cases, or voting without detailing your reasoning. You bombing a semi-long case on prplzh when he had 4 votes on him was really odd, and IMO not something that should have crossed your mind if you largely agreed with the bandwagon on him. On my meta, I'm trying to NOT flood the town with 'useless' town reads, and keep them for when I need to defend them from a impending lynch, on the 'sure or not sure on reads' thing, I felt more confident with my choices on cases this game. This is odd to me. Why would you withhold information from the town. Waiting for a huge bandwagon to form on someone before you defend them is just strange. Why wouldn't you try to prevent that bandwagon/lynch in the first place by disclosing your town reads? Lastly, I'd like your comments on the Ange777 suspicions if possible. Any other reads you have would do. The more open, the better. Point #2: I don't feel comfortable simply sheeping because it's probably my fault for being fingered for "Oh he only sheeped he might be scum", I don't like to sheep because of that. Other point: Flooding the thread with my town reads aren't that useful if they're not the person being discussed, and that if I just flood the thread with town reads people will finger me for "He's only spouting town reads, he's not scum hunting kill him!"TL;DR Don't like leaving things to chance Ange777 will come after reading the thread. Now normally I view these things as mafia-mentality. I don't know why a townie would be scared of making reads because people would point fingers or be suspicious of them. I see these defensive impulses as mafia traits. However, as many of you have stated, this is Bluelightz. Is he capable of this as town? I honestly don't think so, since he's normally pretty reckless/carefree as town.
I do not know him well, think this is the first game I've played with him.
I will look back over him and you/marv discussing him later today or over the night cycle, but at least right now, i'm more concerned with the question/answer that caused him to unvote mementoss than whether he sheeps or makes town reads often.
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On September 22 2012 09:01 Ange777 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 08:42 austinmcc wrote:On September 22 2012 08:12 Ange777 wrote:
have missed something. But please rather sooner than later cause otherwise I'll go to sleep first. What would your read be on me if all you had was the TOO obvious post and the prplhz vote post? What is your current read on mementoss? If you had to choose a lynch target for today that wasn't you, palmar, or marv, who would you be looking at and why? If we weren't playing mafia, and everyone in this thread was actually a mountain (except you), who would be the tallest mountain? Which mountain would have the most wildlife living on it? Read on you before was null/town. Now it's town. Current read on Mementoss is scummy. He accuses me of only making a case on a player who was already under suspicion from a lot of players. Same can be said for him. And I don't think his case has any merit, it seems more like his quote Show nested quote +I could go over each point again but read this case and tell me it seems like ange is trying hard to find scum or just pulling posts out of the filter and making commentary. can be applied to him as well. Especially the Smiley part of his case is just ridiculous. I can't get the thought out of my head that he is simply looking for things in my filter that he can turn scummy like the smiley.To be honest, I have not read through the latest pages that closely (it really is late) and I would like to re-read them before making my choice. But if I can't pick Palmar (I wouldn't lynch marv, I still have a nullish read on him) it would be one of Mementoss or iamperfection. Mementoss for this absolutely weird case and iamperfection for not contributing at all until being called out by me.Tallest mountain? iamperfection. Most wildlife? Zeph Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 08:42 iamperfection wrote:
@ ange
i believe someone pointed out you usally are never this inactive for a period of time do you have any explanation? I don't know if you want to hear about my real life issues ... if it helps I was excessively inactive in Newbie Mafia XV and I was town.
Lol at the blantant OMGUS on myself from Ange ignoring the claim completely. Would lynch me on the basis of a case she seems to think is "weird", why didn't she ever mention lynching Zephridd on the basis of his Hapa case than? :S
On September 22 2012 08:12 Ange777 wrote:Snip* Come one ... scum meta? I have played one single game as scum which also was my first game of Forum mafia ever. Please don't make the mistake and call me scum for typing a smiley. I am a smiley person. I just love putting smileys into my sentences but having seen that people always seem to take smiley suspicious I have already tried to cut down my smiley usage in mafia games. Snip* Come one ... really? The smiley rule? 
Of course the smiley rule isn't a legit point. The only reason I pointed it out was because we talked about it post game to outing yourself a little bit as Mafia. Also, I didn't say the meta was useful, hell I even said it was your first game so you didn't understand the game.
The fact that your defending this moot point on 3 separate occasions and making a lot of excuses besides it is pretty weird. And not just one line defence you have to make a bunch of excuses to go with it, just because it was a common link to your only mafia game, and now your play style has obviously developed a lot more than your first game, so they can't really be compared. The point was to see if you'd over react to this point, which you definitely did.
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On September 22 2012 23:39 Hapahauli wrote:@ AnyoneShow nested quote +On September 22 2012 13:33 Bluelightz wrote:On September 22 2012 01:33 Hapahauli wrote:@ Bluelightz1. Mementoss's post's rather took my interest because he stood out out of the rest of teh people posting at the time, that't why I made my case on him, I took 10 quotes because I wanted to see how he posted after his original posting. DID YOU LOOK AT THE POST'S I QUOTED? Sure I wouldn't of made the case if Memen looked like he was contributing.
2. I didn't want to sheep, I always have my reasons for voting X or not voting Y.
3. How was I supposed to interact when I was sleeping when prplhz was on? Points #1 and #3 are fair, but Point #2 is one of my main issues. You shouldn't be concerned for giving your reasons for voting someone when there's a strong bandwagon on them. In your other games as town, you were very comfortable sheeping cases, or voting without detailing your reasoning. You bombing a semi-long case on prplzh when he had 4 votes on him was really odd, and IMO not something that should have crossed your mind if you largely agreed with the bandwagon on him. On my meta, I'm trying to NOT flood the town with 'useless' town reads, and keep them for when I need to defend them from a impending lynch, on the 'sure or not sure on reads' thing, I felt more confident with my choices on cases this game. This is odd to me. Why would you withhold information from the town. Waiting for a huge bandwagon to form on someone before you defend them is just strange. Why wouldn't you try to prevent that bandwagon/lynch in the first place by disclosing your town reads? Lastly, I'd like your comments on the Ange777 suspicions if possible. Any other reads you have would do. The more open, the better. Point #2: I don't feel comfortable simply sheeping because it's probably my fault for being fingered for "Oh he only sheeped he might be scum", I don't like to sheep because of that. Other point: Flooding the thread with my town reads aren't that useful if they're not the person being discussed, and that if I just flood the thread with town reads people will finger me for "He's only spouting town reads, he's not scum hunting kill him!"TL;DR Don't like leaving things to chance Ange777 will come after reading the thread. Now normally I view these things as mafia-mentality. I don't know why a townie would be scared of making reads because people would point fingers or be suspicious of them. I see these defensive impulses as mafia traits. However, as many of you have stated, this is Bluelightz. Is he capable of this as town? I honestly don't think so, since he's normally pretty reckless/carefree as town.
Am I wrong for not cutting corners?
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##Unvote
##Vote: Ange777
Don't think having my vote on Palmar will help later on during the last minute mess.
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On September 22 2012 18:44 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 10:57 Hapahauli wrote:Oh damn looks like I just missed Ange. For when she gets back... @ Ange777I don't think you've addressed the most incriminating point against you yet - the clear contradictions between your pre-lynch mentality and your case on iamperfection. Firstly, this quote: On September 20 2012 06:03 Ange777 wrote:
Where is the flip? I wanna get the celebration starting At this point you clearly thing prplzh is scum for the reasons of the fail-claim (as posted in your first defense post). The problem is, there's no reason for you to suspect iamperfection for his vote. Pre-lynch, your comment on iamperfection's vote is fine. However post-lynch, there's a huge contradiction in your mentality:On September 21 2012 01:07 Ange777 wrote:Finally people are taking a closer look at Palmar. I don't know about his past achievements of being perhaps a terrific scum hunter but I have not seen anything worthy of being praised like that in this game yet. Unfortunately I won't be in for the deadline, for now my top scum reads are Palmar and iamperfection. @iamperfection: On September 20 2012 22:57 iamperfection wrote:
also at ange i want to you to explain more on your thought process at the deadline. What was going through your head when the claims came out.
What was going on? I have you marked as a scum read that's what's going on. Why would someone give up his right to vote just to simply sheep another player? Especially sheeping someone you yourself called a terrible townie. There is no town motivatoin for that kind of play. Publicly stating to sheep your town read just gives you an excuse to be wrong with your vote because you were not responsible for it. And suddenly vote switching in the last minutes onto the seemingly scum prplhz whom you had not mentioned again after dismissing Blazinghand's case as being a weak meta case is just something I don't understand. Two possibilities: 1) You are town. You want to make sure prplhz gets lynched. But we already had the majority to lynch him. So why the last minute vote? We discussed prplhz a lot before the end of Day 1 and you did not give your stance on him. 2) You are scum. You wanted to get some town cred for jumping on "scum prplhz".Right now I am leaning to 2 as you still haven't given me a satisfying answer for your voting behaviour. Firstly, there's no reason you should be suspicious of iamperfection for his fakevote due to your comments on the prplzh fake-claim. As you have stated, prplzh's fake-claim is the thing that re-affirmed your scumread on him. Problem is, you show a complete ignorance of this mentality when attacking iamperfection. It's pretty clear that iamperfection switched his vote for the same reason that you re-affirmed your read on prplzh. Despite the supposedly similar mentalities, you show a complete unawareness of this when attacking iamperfection. It should have been obvious to you why he switched his vote. It reads like you are forcing suspicions, and this disconnect in your mentality reinforces this. Now as for the bolded part, it just makes no damn sense. As marv said earlier, why hypothetical scum iamperfection try to get town cred for jumping on prplhz? Scum iamperfection would have known that prplzh was town. This makes 0% sense, and is more evidence for me that you're forcing cases/suspicion on players. It also doesn't help that the overall post is just terrible analysis. You seem to be more ticked off at iamperfection for "voting responsibility" rather than actual scummy behavior. A townie switching his vote after a huge fail-claim is pretty normal (and obvious), yet for some reason you're completely oblivious to it. I'm interested in hearing your response, but I can't think of any town-mentality for your suspicions on iamperfection. I will say that if you can't convince the town, dump your reads on as many players as you can, Right now, you're relentlessly tunneling iamperfection (and mementoss for a while... lol?). If you refuse to provide detailed reads on other players, I promise you will get lynched tomorrow. Ange, I absolutely need an explanation for what's been bolded here.
I don't understand why you don't understand. I explained earlier why I had a scum read on iamperfection before the claims. So why is me thinking iamperfection's sudden vote switch to be scummy a scum tell itself? In the moment where I asked him why he vote switched the flip had not occured yet so I did not know that prplhz was town. So of course I assumed that scum iamperfection is getting town cred for jumping on scum prplhz. Only in hindsight I admit that the logic might be flawed but that does not mean that it did not make sense at the time of my question.
If I still have not answered your question please tell me more precise what you are asking for because I have the feeling that we are just going in circles and circles discussing my potential scum slip when in the meantime discussion about other suspects is almost dead. Some people have accused me of only focussing on the easy targets and not seeing the big picture of in total 3 scums but what are you guys doing right now? Just tunneling me and forgetting that there is more than just one scum you should look out for. We had such an active day 1 and right now discussion is almost non existent. Ask yourself why. Because I am an easy lynch. And in my experience easy lynches are mislynches ...
My biggest scum read is still Palmar. Look at his nonexistent contribution. At the way he defended prplhz and also the way he defends me. He just tells you to not lynch these people. No explanation. Why would he do that? Because he is scum, he knows I will flip green and he knows that he is going to get town cred again for opposing to a mislynch just like he did with prplhz.
@Mementoss: So I am not allowed to comment on a bad case just because it might seem like an OMGUS? And yeah, you mentioned your stupid smiley rule like 3 times in your own case. That should allow me to call your rule stupid 3 times.
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Someone asked for my reads. I can't elaborate them in detail as I really don't have much time this weekend but if you let me survive I am more than willing to explain them in detail.
iamperfection > still leaning scum
marvellosity > null/town
Zephirdd > scummy
Mementoss (vigi) > scummy semi-confirmed town
bluelightz > lurker/sheeper > null/scummy
Palmar > scum
Hapahauli > town
HiroPro > lurker > null/scummy
austinmcc > town
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EBWOP: I need to go. I probably won't make it back before deadline. I think I have adressed your problems with my thought process. Thinking a scum iamperfection is vote switching to get town cred on a scum prplhz isn't scummy at all because at that moment I am assuming prplhz is indeed scum.
I might not have been the most helpful in this game yet but Palmar is just screwing with you using his "Palmar cred". No explanations for his play, no effort in defending his town reads because he can't defend them. He is just using his knowledge of alignments to back up his reads! He is scum and should not get away with it.
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You commenting on the case wasn't the OMGUS, it was the fact that you said mementoss is scummy.
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EPT
