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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
August 14 2012 20:16 GMT
#1161
This is pretty good advice.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 14 2012 20:58 GMT
#1162
On August 14 2012 16:34 Kronen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 09:38 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 14 2012 09:34 Obvious.660 wrote:
Mother of god. Flawless victory?

Not flawless.
Kronen died. Get your shit together Kronen!


Sowwie... I'll try to play better next time


You played a solid game! I'd be a bit more open/opinionated with your reads in the future, but that's a largely stylistic choice. I found the giant "timeline" posts you made very very helpful in making my last few reads =)

On August 14 2012 16:51 Kronen wrote:
Sooooo re-game :D?


Feel free to sign up for on eof the other games - Newbie XXIV is full, but I imagine someone is going to start up XXV pretty soon.

a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-14 21:25:43
August 14 2012 21:22 GMT
#1163
@ YourHarry
On August 15 2012 01:25 YourHarry wrote:
...
Either way, could you guys analyze this game? I agree that Hapa definitely puts in a lot of effort, but I would like to learn what makes a good scum hunting. Regardless of the result, was GK good lynch simply because he was lurking?

How was town's analysis after GK's flipping scum? Is it safe to say that scum should bus in that situation? Scum Hapa or Lvdr busing GK hard, just because they were the first ones to start the lynch on GK, gave them almost confirmed town status? How can town deal with such scum actions, especially if detective does not exist or has been killed?

Was Shady scummy? Obviously Hapa had investigated him, so he knew. But how should other players have known that he is scummy. To me, it was simply sort of by choice of elimination, which again could be dangerous because scums could bus to kill their scum partner, Godfather or not. Godfather is better than a lowly goon only if there is a detective, and only if detective happens to investigate him, BTW. To me, Shady's opposing the sudden shift in votes (without much reason beside lurking) that seemed to secure the GK lynch looked town to me. Should I have analyzed this in another way?

I still don't understand what Sideni was trying to do. Anyone care to explain?


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874&currentpage=58#1160
This is a follow up to the above link that deals more with in-game reads and whatnot:

Regardless of the result, was GK good lynch simply because he was lurking?


Obviously I like the lynch in hindsight, but I still wouldn't mind the lynch even if GK flipped town. Firstly, it wasn't a policy lynch - GK really didn't contribute much to the town at that point. I had mentioned that he was tunneling suspicion on two players with existing suspicion, and that sort of stuff doesn't help town.

As for why I picked GK in particular... there weren't many other options. I had picked out Axero GK and Promethelax as my top lynch targets toward the end of the day. They were the only players who I didn't have some sort of town read on. What GK's day 1 death comes down to was an inactive mafia - mafia got lazy and didn't establish themselves as town. Mafia let the townies establish too many town-reads on other players, and by process of elimination, GK got lynched Day 1.

TBH, I really like lynch-lurker policies - It's a situation where at worst, you lynch a townie that's not contributing too much, and at best, you lynch the godfather. In newbie games, I think you can pick off less-active mafia on day 1 with this play very often.

Is it safe to say that scum should bus in that situation? Scum Hapa or Lvdr busing GK hard, just because they were the first ones to start the lynch on GK, gave them almost confirmed town status?


I think a case could have been made for a mafia member to place a vote on GK, but even then, that's really tough given how sudden the lynch came about. That's why I eliminated bussing as a possibility pretty early on.

However, I don't think mafia should ever bus seriously in that situation. For example, if GK came flying into the thread incredibly pissed and emotional that he was getting lynched, there's NO WAY that the lynch would fly.

How can town deal with such scum actions, especially if detective does not exist or has been killed?


That's what analysis is for
See my post at the end of page 58:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874&currentpage=58#1160

Was Shady scummy? Obviously Hapa had investigated him, so he knew. But how should other players have known that he is scummy. To me, it was simply sort of by choice of elimination, which again could be dangerous because scums could bus to kill their scum partner, Godfather or not. Godfather is better than a lowly goon only if there is a detective, and only if detective happens to investigate him, BTW. To me, Shady's opposing the sudden shift in votes (without much reason beside lurking) that seemed to secure the GK lynch looked town to me. Should I have analyzed this in another way?


Regarding my check on Shady - mkfuba was my original DT check choice, and I changed my mind later in the day. I checked Shady primarily because of my post here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874&currentpage=46#909

I thought Promethelax name-dropping Shady was strange, and I couldn't get the possibility that Shady was mafia out of my mind despite my earlier town read on him. What it ultimately came down to was that I thought that I could get mkfuba lynched regardless of my DT check on him. Therefore, I checked Shady... and well we know what happened.

In hindsight, Shady doing very little on Day 1, as well as Shady's play near the lynch deadline should have alerted me more than it did initially. I think your reads on Shady were fine and within reason - it's hard to get something like that right with only one day of information. I was pretty much on the same boat as you until I DT checked him. That's something you keep on the back of your mind and try to make sense of it with more information later in the game.
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
August 14 2012 22:11 GMT
#1164
On August 15 2012 06:22 Hapahauli wrote:
I thought Promethelax name-dropping Shady was strange, and I couldn't get the possibility that Shady was mafia out of my mind despite my earlier town read on him. What it ultimately came down to was that I thought that I could get mkfuba lynched regardless of my DT check on him. Therefore, I checked Shady... and well we know what happened.


And this is why I called your check on Sandy heroic - because of the bolded statement.

Guys take note: this is winning cop play. Playing cop isn't just about "finding mafia"...it's also about eliminating possibilities from the field. Because Hapa knew he could get mkfuba lynched on the merit of his posting alone, he realized that he was a bad check, and switched his target. Regardless of whether mkfuba is scum or Shady, this is winning cop play because he is going to get information on both the way he played it. He may or may not have been able to get Shady lynched without a check - we may never know. I tend to think not because Shady is a strong poster...but I won't make the mistake of underestimating Hapa either....EVER.

The point is that he didn't have to because he made the right call based on the information he had.

It's not about him finding scum N1. Yeah, that's awesome...but the check was awesome because of how he played it.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 16 2012 14:42 GMT
#1165
btw, what about the obs QT?
Need to reverse-stalk on people that stalk on me.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
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