Looney Lynching Mini Mafia - Page 58

He admits it himself in this post in response to Kush



Please note also how he implies that we are going to mislynch (all the scum already out comment). This is not scummy but it is at least not good town mentality. On top of that he refuses to give his scumreads invoking bad excuses (what are the lynch mechanics doing here ?) and for this, I clearly don't see any town motivation.

No one asked me to clarify what I meant by "conventional". My implication that we'd mislynch was to point out that there are potential scum that cannot be lynched this round and to try and find them would not be productive this cycle. As it turns out, many disagree and feel that I need to at least make my reads on players known. That way I can put up a nice, townie face so that THEY can read ME better. This has not been articulated well, but I get the point.

I don't know if you have noticed it but his unannounced unvote at round 1 deadline had a influence on the kush/prplhz match-up. He let Kush advanced over Prplhz.
Look at the way he presents it


I'm not accepting his excuse for this. Should I state that I'm going to be present for deadline tomorrow and happily reverse the result of a matchup ? Is this ok ? I don't like the way he presents it, stating that it almost exactly the same, when his actions led to an opposite results for one match-up. He has no choice but to admit it but the fact he has doing it passively (by unvoting) and shifting the focus on Hiro helped him to make Kush advance (or should I say eliminate prplhz from the competition?) quite unnoticed.
First, Don't make connection theories until someone has flipped. If you wanted my read of Kush/prplhz, ask for it.
Second, I read kush as scummier than prplhz in that instance, Hiro wanted him to advance but the Higher Seed rule was not going to apply. I also was reading Hiro as town at the time.
At least, I didn't catch up at first. If you guys have all seen this then I'm sorry for bringing this up.

What makes it even more suspicious is the global picture:

• voting prplhz for one post, voting ON for being a lurker, voting me on a gut feeling
  
• passively letting Kush advance (reason=> wants to see how Hiro is going to handle Kush on round 2)
  
• not following Kush at all round 2, voting sandroba
  I started to read Kush as town during Round 2 and I posted accordingly here:+ Show Spoiler +
  On October 12 2012 05:36 Hopeless1der wrote:
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  Between sandroba and kush, I'd prefer sandroba to advance. He makes no comment on the fact that thrawn thwarted his efforts to get da0ud advanced despite his "hunch" and has a generally low content filter compared to kush. I get a townier feel from kush reading through his filter.
  
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  Again, I poorly explained my read, but no one could be bothered to ask why
  
  
  
  

I would say that Hopeless doesn't really care about who is going to advance in this bracket. And the question I really would like him to answer is what he is planning to do with all the votes that he has carefully saved ?
Of course I care, that's why I made Kush go through instead of prplhz. The rest of my reads went through. The fact that I used no votes to do it is weird, but not scummy. I very clearly understood and you could say abused the lynch mechanics, but my unvoting was extremely deliberate. At present, I hope not to advance to the next round because I don't think you're going to get votes and mine will be useless if I advance. I think you're town, so if I have to, they're all going onto sandroba.

Firstly he did contradict himself while speaking about letting kush advance. I'm sorry but it not exactly the same when you reverse the issue of a matchup.

And here is the second contradiction: I didn't understand why he was so obsessed with people present at deadline and I called him for it. Here is the post he gave me in response


What I understood from this answer is that knowing who is present at deadline prevents crazy things from happening. I think that the simplest way from preventing crazy thing to happen is to use your votes and sticking to them. Unvoting like you do results in more possibilities for outcome of MUs to change, something you want to prevent by asking everybody if they are going to be present at deadline or not.

I think you want to give yourself some presence in the thread by asking everybody if they are here for deadline or not. In reality you just want to know if you can safely do you unvoting cuisine.
[red]I changed 1 matchup and left 2 unchanged. In doing so, I was able to preserve all of my votes. Because my strongest tool is my ability to vote, I reviewed the votecount at deadline and determined that 2 of my votes were not required to get the players that I wanted to advance. I agreed with Hiro's suspicions on kush and I needed to at least remove my vote from prplhz in order to advance kush. If I was going to be more explicit about it, I could have used a vote on kush, but that was not necessary due to the lynch mechanics.

My droning on about the deadlines was me intentionally being unproductive. My "unvoting cuisine" occurred again at the end of round 2 when I reduced my votes so as to not waste them. This is not inherently scummy behavior in my opinion.