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jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
December 12 2012 09:22 GMT
#1061
Glad we got an enagaged player to replace in for Munk-E. I'm still leaning scum on Djodref. But ill have to reread Vivax havent giving up much thought recently.

I also can see bugs being scum. Also makes sense if the game is balanced. That scum would get one vet.

Its to bad Bugs is to distracted to give this game his all tho, well maybe not so bad for town :3

The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
December 12 2012 09:23 GMT
#1062
On December 12 2012 18:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
The fact that I ultimately chose not to vote him is actually not scummy, because trust me, I'm pretty fucking lazy as scum.

I'm notoriously "hard to read" because my play doesn't boil down to "lazy as scum and active as town" unlike the vast majority of other players.


so you are lazy as town or is one of those statements wrong?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
December 12 2012 09:25 GMT
#1063
The reason your scum is so gud bugs if my memory serves me correctly is because when your scum. You just try to play like your are actually town :3 pretty simple stuff.
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 12 2012 09:27 GMT
#1064
Hey look guys, here's some perfect logic:

Bugs didn't vote Adam, so he must be scum.

I'm completely serious, I will tunnel the fuck out of him tomorrow.
Computer says mafia
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
December 12 2012 09:27 GMT
#1065
On December 12 2012 18:23 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 18:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
The fact that I ultimately chose not to vote him is actually not scummy, because trust me, I'm pretty fucking lazy as scum.

I'm notoriously "hard to read" because my play doesn't boil down to "lazy as scum and active as town" unlike the vast majority of other players.


so you are lazy as town or is one of those statements wrong?


nah I'm lazy as scum.

I just don't look lazy.

Just look at how hard I trolled Storm Mafia, for example. It doesn't take much effort for me to troll a game, but I post a fuckton more than as town.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 12 2012 09:27 GMT
#1066
On December 12 2012 18:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 18:01 Hapahauli wrote:
On December 12 2012 17:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
my play is clean, so I'm scum...the fuck?

I could play like a retard, but no one likes when I do that.


"Clean" in the sense that you're not taking any risks. You're not going out of your way to comment on multiple players or make additional reads - you stick to a case on a player who looks like a lynch-bait candidate throughout D1.

The reality is that I hold vets to a higher standard. Your play doesn't read like a wild and engaged townie - it looks like scum trying to blend in. If you're town, it's on you to prove it in the next few days.


How have I blended in when I made probably the strongest counter case to Adam? I didn't have to do that. If I was scum and wanted to blend in I could've just bandwagoned on what was clearly the easiest lynch of the day and taken massive town cred by bussing Adam. Instead I chose to pose an alternative because I actually took a stance on someone other than Adam. Everyone found him scummy. I found someone else scummier. And, in fact, Tunkeg's play is still quite erratic.


Making a case on lynch-bait isn't "sticking out" by any measure, and I have no idea why you're representing your play as such. Also, these "I would have done this as scum" arguments ring pretty hollow.

Secondly, the thing I absolutely hate about this type of jubjub logic is that it only makes sense when you don't think. Why are people attacking me? Because I was the only notable person who didn't hardline against Adam. This is confirmation bias. We saw a scum flip, and now everyone thinks that anyone who was late to the wagon or considered killing other people is scum. Sure, that's normal when there's resistance, but when there was never any resistance to begin with usually it's the people who sheep without reason who are the scum bussing. I.E. VE. I actually had concrete reasons to be voting Adam and I was one of the first players to make my opinion on him clear. The fact that I ultimately chose not to vote him is actually not scummy, because trust me, I'm pretty fucking lazy as scum.


People aren't attacking you because only you didn't go after Adam. You haven't been very active, and you've spent most of Day 1 tunneling lynch bait.

Also, lazy as scum? From what I've heard, you're one of the better scum-players around these parts.

So, think about it for a second. You think I'm scum and you apparently hold me to a higher standard than other players. So, what exactly have I done that is not up to your standards? I'm not taking risks? You don't need to take risks to play town! In fact, taking risks is full on retarded as town. I don't think anyone on this forum understands how I operate as scum, seeing as everyone and their mother accuses me of wildly different things as both alignments. I'm notoriously "hard to read" because my play doesn't boil down to "lazy as scum and active as town" unlike the vast majority of other players


I'm not saying that everyone should take "risks" by pulling a Thrawn and claiming miller. But townies (especially veteran townies) will stick their neck out and try to comment on a bunch of things, make reads, tunnel multiple players... etc. When I say you haven't taken any "risks", you haven't done anything but tunnel lynch-bait.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
December 12 2012 09:27 GMT
#1067
On December 12 2012 18:27 Palmar wrote:
Hey look guys, here's some perfect logic:

Bugs didn't vote Adam, so he must be scum.

I'm completely serious, I will tunnel the fuck out of him tomorrow.


go for it, noob.

If you're town, you really are just nothing more than a noob for thinking I'm scum.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 12 2012 09:30 GMT
#1068
Anywho it's 4:30 am and I need to crash - gnite folks
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
December 12 2012 09:30 GMT
#1069
where have the bugs gone?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
December 12 2012 09:33 GMT
#1070
On December 12 2012 18:27 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 18:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
On December 12 2012 18:01 Hapahauli wrote:
On December 12 2012 17:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
my play is clean, so I'm scum...the fuck?

I could play like a retard, but no one likes when I do that.


"Clean" in the sense that you're not taking any risks. You're not going out of your way to comment on multiple players or make additional reads - you stick to a case on a player who looks like a lynch-bait candidate throughout D1.

The reality is that I hold vets to a higher standard. Your play doesn't read like a wild and engaged townie - it looks like scum trying to blend in. If you're town, it's on you to prove it in the next few days.


How have I blended in when I made probably the strongest counter case to Adam? I didn't have to do that. If I was scum and wanted to blend in I could've just bandwagoned on what was clearly the easiest lynch of the day and taken massive town cred by bussing Adam. Instead I chose to pose an alternative because I actually took a stance on someone other than Adam. Everyone found him scummy. I found someone else scummier. And, in fact, Tunkeg's play is still quite erratic.


Making a case on lynch-bait isn't "sticking out" by any measure, and I have no idea why you're representing your play as such. Also, these "I would have done this as scum" arguments ring pretty hollow.


So you think no one stuck out on d1 then?

Adam was pretty fucking obvious lynch bait. He just happened to be scum. Being lynch bait is not alignment indicative, it's just indicative of playing like shit.

On December 12 2012 18:27 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
Secondly, the thing I absolutely hate about this type of jubjub logic is that it only makes sense when you don't think. Why are people attacking me? Because I was the only notable person who didn't hardline against Adam. This is confirmation bias. We saw a scum flip, and now everyone thinks that anyone who was late to the wagon or considered killing other people is scum. Sure, that's normal when there's resistance, but when there was never any resistance to begin with usually it's the people who sheep without reason who are the scum bussing. I.E. VE. I actually had concrete reasons to be voting Adam and I was one of the first players to make my opinion on him clear. The fact that I ultimately chose not to vote him is actually not scummy, because trust me, I'm pretty fucking lazy as scum.


People aren't attacking you because only you didn't go after Adam. You haven't been very active, and you've spent most of Day 1 tunneling lynch bait.


I haven't been very active?

THE FUCK? I have been far more active than probably everyone else in this game. Yet, you call ME "not very active"? LOL.

On December 12 2012 18:27 Hapahauli wrote:
Also, lazy as scum? From what I've heard, you're one of the better scum-players around these parts.


Being good at something doesn't mean it takes effort. I'm not even good at scum anyway.


On December 12 2012 18:27 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
So, think about it for a second. You think I'm scum and you apparently hold me to a higher standard than other players. So, what exactly have I done that is not up to your standards? I'm not taking risks? You don't need to take risks to play town! In fact, taking risks is full on retarded as town. I don't think anyone on this forum understands how I operate as scum, seeing as everyone and their mother accuses me of wildly different things as both alignments. I'm notoriously "hard to read" because my play doesn't boil down to "lazy as scum and active as town" unlike the vast majority of other players


I'm not saying that everyone should take "risks" by pulling a Thrawn and claiming miller. But townies (especially veteran townies) will stick their neck out and try to comment on a bunch of things, make reads, tunnel multiple players... etc. When I say you haven't taken any "risks", you haven't done anything but tunnel lynch-bait.


Name one thing I haven't commented on this game.

What have I been avoiding in discussion?

Nothing you say is backed up by any evidence, it's just a load of shit. You're just saying stuff with tinted goggles and trying to fit your preconceived notion of my alignment to actual evidence. The problem is that there is no evidence ,so you're just making things up as you go along.

If you're town, try setting aside your preconceived notions about my alignment. Go read my posts this game in context. Go read posts from my most recent game.

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
December 12 2012 09:35 GMT
#1071
also it's straight up stupid to try to comment on everything day 1 when consolidation is the number 1 priority.

Think about it carefully. Why do you think I was so opposed to lynching jay? Why do you think I questioned Palmar's motivations when he told me reads that didn't make sense to me? (i.e. the tunkeg, jay, djo, me reads etc.)

if you really think I'm avoiding commenting on things then you're probably not reading the game very carefully.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 12 2012 09:46 GMT
#1072
On December 12 2012 18:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 18:27 Palmar wrote:
Hey look guys, here's some perfect logic:

Bugs didn't vote Adam, so he must be scum.

I'm completely serious, I will tunnel the fuck out of him tomorrow.


go for it, noob.

If you're town, you really are just nothing more than a noob for thinking I'm scum.


Oh shit you hurt my feelings.

But are you not the noob for not supporting my case on Adam? Oh wait, you're not, because you're scum.

I mean after all we can conclusively prove that I was right.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 12 2012 09:49 GMT
#1073
On December 12 2012 16:07 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 16:02 thrawn2112 wrote:
eh, my memories of people hard defending each other D1 are usually of scum hard defending a townie. I think that scum hard defending scum wouldn't be too likely


He did it when it was not sure yet that Adam would be lynched.
And he discedited people voting Adam. ”there is scum pn this wagon”


Hello Djodref:

You are not required to post anything more at all in this thread. Everything you've said has been dumb, useless and I think you're either scum or bad.

In both cases, please just shut up and only vote according to what I tell you.
Computer says mafia
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
December 12 2012 09:55 GMT
#1074
On December 12 2012 18:46 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 18:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
On December 12 2012 18:27 Palmar wrote:
Hey look guys, here's some perfect logic:

Bugs didn't vote Adam, so he must be scum.

I'm completely serious, I will tunnel the fuck out of him tomorrow.


go for it, noob.

If you're town, you really are just nothing more than a noob for thinking I'm scum.


Oh shit you hurt my feelings.

But are you not the noob for not supporting my case on Adam? Oh wait, you're not, because you're scum.

I mean after all we can conclusively prove that I was right.


keep it coming noob shit

On December 11 2012 13:43 wherebugsgo wrote:
Ok, caught up on the thread. Today I had a final and tomorrow I have 2, so I'm not going to be around very much. I'll try to consolidate my thoughts briefly but here's the basic summary of my initial thoughts:

I'm almost completely certain that all of the scum are being fairly passive. Adam, Tunkeg, Vivax, Bluelightz are all good leads IMO. I would have said Zbo earlier, but I have my doubts now given how he posted later (though he didn't improve by much, it was enough).

I'm gonna get on my computer in a minute so that I can actually quote stuff I found noteworthy.


On December 11 2012 19:10 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2012 18:44 Palmar wrote:
So yeah, the more I read the more I'm convinced that this is the correct route to take.

##Vote Adam4167

Everything about his game seems slightly off, and I think it's the better lynch between him and Jay.

In fact, I think my other lynch options at this point would be WBG or Djodref (who has basically disappeared).


yeah I'm fine with killing Adam if Tunkeg isn't getting lynched.

I'd prefer Tunkeg obviously but Adam's #2 on my list.


On December 11 2012 22:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2012 21:21 Palmar wrote:
Out of curiosity, if you had to guess right now, what would your guess be?


not like it really matters, but probably:

Tunkeg
Adam
Munk-E
one of ZB/VE/you/BL

I feel very strongly that among the first 3 there are at least 2 scum. I don't think I am wrong about more than one of them, because Tunkeg + Adam in particular don't play like this as town from what I know.
.


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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
December 12 2012 09:57 GMT
#1075
anyway I'm out for the night.

In case I'm not back in time:

someone protect Palmar, he might be a noob but he's probably town.

vigis hold your shots unless you feel like shooting Tunkeg or VE. + Show Spoiler +
or, shoot me so I don't have to keep fucking around defending myself against idiots


Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 12 2012 09:59 GMT
#1076
On December 12 2012 18:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
shoot me so I don't have to keep fucking around defending myself against people who are right


Now this I can get behind.
Computer says mafia
Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
December 12 2012 11:38 GMT
#1077
@Clarity's case:

Point number one: "Because he will probably the lynch" your explanation "Oooh red font will make the reader totally understand that this point is scummy for no reason at all that I have explained :D"

Point number two: "Something about sheeping" Uhh, the point I pointed out was indeed strange, and in my opinion, scummy. Does it take red font for someone to understand that a point is scummy? I gave this note out because one, I based my Adam vote on this and the existing cases, and two because this helps push my target (Adam).

On December 12 2012 09:49 Clarity_nl wrote:
Adam where's your crumb?

##Vote Adam4167


You are clearly sheeping too clarity.
Roses Are Red, Violets Are Blue, Radiation Is Good Because Nuclear bombs go BOOM | I love TL Mafia! ♥ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 ♥| Mvp is most boss
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 12 2012 11:39 GMT
#1078
Hey bluelightz, you down for killing bugs tomorrow?
Computer says mafia
Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
December 12 2012 11:40 GMT
#1079
Also, on my huge post then disappearance, I didn't feel like anything was worth commenting on and posting null reads are probably useless.
Roses Are Red, Violets Are Blue, Radiation Is Good Because Nuclear bombs go BOOM | I love TL Mafia! ♥ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 ♥| Mvp is most boss
Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
December 12 2012 11:40 GMT
#1080
On December 12 2012 20:39 Palmar wrote:
Hey bluelightz, you down for killing bugs tomorrow?


I'm fine if there's a consensus on bugs.
Roses Are Red, Violets Are Blue, Radiation Is Good Because Nuclear bombs go BOOM | I love TL Mafia! ♥ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 ♥| Mvp is most boss
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