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On February 09 2014 09:02 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 08:56 Koshi wrote:
It doesn't hurt anybody. And I think jayB is doc and he will get RB so who cares really. And here is exactly what I wanted to avoid. Just cause you're town doesn't mean you shouldn't think about what you are doing. Jesus dude. No more. PLEASE.
he knows what he's doing
On February 09 2014 09:13 Koshi wrote:
Some1 needs to do the math. But without scumlynch vigi should never act. Don't know if that now changed. I don't think so.
It'd mean we have a 4v2 MYLO day3 i think (worst case with vig shooting town)
Or a 3v2 Day4 (worst case with no vig shot)
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Short story is vig should shoot if I did that correctly, but someone else feel free to verify
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Hopeless who do you think is most likely to flip scum at this point. If we have a vig who do you think he should shoot?
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I am very against a vig shot. Need wagons or something.
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On February 09 2014 09:37 jaybrundage wrote:
Hopeless who do you think is most likely to flip scum at this point. If we have a vig who do you think he should shoot?
You because you still look pretty scummy, suki for kind of sort of opposing the jonny lynch and I guess coag so I don't need to worry about in that slot and its a complete coinflip (vigs are good for coin flip resolution imo)
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Well I like two of your answers XD
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Let's discuss the reasoning behind something that Jonny did this game.
Here is his case on Koshi on his return to the thread:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 08 2014 17:46 JonnyLaw wrote:koshi is our scum #1 in this game. Sheeping Balla off the start. I pointed out that Jay did this last game and it bought Jay a lot of town points in balla's mind. Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Koshi is indeed town so I am going to beleive Balla his theory.
Balla let's get a town circle going. Excuses. Excuses. Fucking Excuses. Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:36 Koshi wrote:
Heads up. I always make shit cases.
I have made 2 good cases in the 16 games I played.
True story. Why can no one call him scum and where is the posting like a madman? Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:33 Koshi wrote:On February 07 2014 07:01 JonnyLaw wrote:
That post is worse than Koshi's opening post. how bored were you waiting for this game to start?
Fuck man, I was happy last game thinking you were prob town. You're making me go back to my roots here. Jonny. Come on. It was a joke post. No need to exaggerate. Heads up for you: When I am town, I post like a fucking madman. You are allowed to stop me if it is too much. Because I think you are special. Instead you are never allowed to call me scum. Deal? I hate this entire series of posts. Anyone who's not joking around is scum? Get the fuck outta here. Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:45 Koshi wrote:On February 07 2014 07:44 JonnyLaw wrote:On February 07 2014 07:42 Koshi wrote:On February 07 2014 07:41 JonnyLaw wrote:
Votes are like assholes in this game. Give the man a minute. It's day1 lets sit around and chat a while. What topic? I was talking about tunneling jayb. Apparently that's off topic. How about aqua. Have you played with him before? How do you feel about random votes being tossed around? Probably but I don't remember aquanim atm. :/ Random votes are what they are. JayB has not commented on them at all. Even though he is joking around about last game, he cannot make a joking comment on the 2 votes that are on him. I find that interesting. Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:47 Koshi wrote:
Mine is very real. Super real.
you feel off. Uhh where's the scum hunting? Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 08:24 Koshi wrote:
The kid with the lollipop is when I roll scum.
It goes like this:
I see scum PM, I am very angry --> I pretend to be really happy in the thread.
But this game it went like this:
I AM FUCKING TOWN HELL FUCKING YEAH --> I don't have to pretend shit and I simply scumhunt.
Currently I am looking at Jonny and JayB.
Why am I not looking at Balla atm? Because isn't it more likely Balla is scum and I am being blindfolded?
Good question but no!
Balla posts about current topics, his posts influence how I think and are well thought out and he posts carefree and townylike. I just like everything about him.
And I really dislike you 2 atm. JayB is shaking in his boots and Jonny you just left the thread as soon as JayB got attention.
##unvote
##vote: JonnyLaw
Let it be known.
And another post threatening the power of town koshi. Unleash it already. Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 08:37 Koshi wrote:
You do realize I will be having a 40 page filter if you continue to push this read? It won't be pretty.
Take a step back jay.
We need fresh eyes. This reminds Koshi of his "off feelings' about town jayb last game? I don't understand. Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 17:43 Koshi wrote:On February 07 2014 17:39 JonnyLaw wrote:
hi Koshi. I'll give you balla case soon hopefully. I was rereading it and my dog just shit diarrhea all over my carpet in my room. Pics if you want. I hate this game. So drink and tired and now dog shit everywhere. Anyway, i'll be with you soon. I have a few hours before I need to work. That part is "off". That reminds me of people wanting to know about my off feeling from jayB. From what I remember: I was reading his post and I was thinking "well, this post feels somewhat constructed. But ok." and then Balla voted for the guy and I was like "yeah let's get this party starting." But I think the main reason for typing that post was to bait a reaction. Which I got, and I think the reaction with the smiley in the end was the reason we are were we are atm on jayB. It gave me (/us) bad vibes. I don't want to talk too much about jayB anymore though. I will read him when he comes back. Seriously this is getting worse and worse for me. I'll do the rest tomorrow. ##vote KoshiI'm around for a few minutes to chat.
At this point in the game, there are a few lynch candidates. Alakaslam, Jonny, JayB and possibly Koshi. Out of these 3 for jonny, I believe that Alakaslam would have been the easiest to push. Koshi was reading town or just null to a bunch of people. So why does he decide to push for Koshi instead of for Alakaslam, or maybe even JayB who both already had a case or two on them and there was plenty of material to pick at.
I see 3 options:
1) Alakaslam and/or Jayb are his scummates and thus he does not want to push them, so he pushes another target.
2) He did not want to push either of those two because he would have been criticized for easy pickings and an easy lynch.
3) Koshi is his scummate, jonny knows he's going to get lynched so he tries to make Koshi look as best as possible before that happens.
Let's examine them:
1) holds credence mostly for Slam because Jonny never mentions Slam one bit except for this post, where he calls him scum, but doesn't push him.
On February 08 2014 17:49 JonnyLaw wrote:
Uhh I called you scum? that's about it. No but I'm still not convinced. I don't have any clear town votes yet.
koshi, slam and lm for scum. koshi for content and lm slam for lurking.
rest neutral. i'm bad at finding town. i can find scum though.
If he thinks he's scum, then wouldn't Slam be a MUCH better target to try to deflect off of? On the other end of things. Alakaslam never got to mention jonny a single time before he replaced out, and his replacement Coag did not do much better. Although he did mention something that I think Jonny did, but he said Jay for some reason, can't really verify that though.
For Jaybrundage, there's some connection in the early game, where Jonny says he thinks what he's done is scummy, but then doesn't really thinks he's scum. But they reacted much in the same way as each other during that early game, which I don't think two scummates would do that. And they talked about each other a LOT early on, which again, scummates tend to try to avoid on day1 if they can help it.
2) could be a possibility, but there were a variety of cases on alakaslam at that point (mine included), so I think it would have been worth it to try to push it and try to people to wagon onto alakaslam instead of him. Honestly I think that would have been one of his few chances to survive.
3) This is another good possibility with how fake some of the jonny-> koshi interactions look. However, if this were to be the case. I believe Jonny would have had less of a motivation to post more, and it would have made more sense if he just straight up disappeared completely but he actually looked like he had the intention to try to get koshi lynched.
On the other side of this, we have Koshi calling him scum from literally the getgo of this game. I'm pretty sure Koshi put his vote on Jonny within like 2 hours of the game starting and left it there the entire day. That's pretty crazy for scummates, so I think this option is completely out the window for the most part.
All these options are things I will be considering though, and I highly believe that #1 is the situation that occured.
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2 posts Jonny makes about jay:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 07 2014 16:15 JonnyLaw wrote:
Why do you even want me to look at that Suki? Balla says I think his king post was funny. Am I supposed to take that seriously? I refuse to do so.
I talk to Jay about the last game. Uhhh....I felt bad for tunneling a townie so hard? I want jay to play the game and you guys start out right where I fucking left off. If he's scum (which I get to in my next post) we can lynch him.
And Balla's mad that I don't think he's paying attention and I refuse to call him "king." Yeah...what is there to say about that "case" on me.
Finishing the jay post. be back with you in a second. On February 07 2014 16:33 JonnyLaw wrote:LOL. Hi aqua. Sorry assumed the chain kept going from Suki. I'm getting very weary from the long night out. Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:28 suki wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
Legitimate question. Jay, since you're 0.29% more likely to be scum than me, and since you were the top 2 Day 1 lynch in the previous game, how do you plan to play differently in order to avoid being targeted for lynch this game? It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town. I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game. 1. Because I said it last game. 2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day. Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 08:34 jaybrundage wrote:
Yea I'm REALLLLLLY confident that both Balla and Koshi are scum. Bleh writing a bunch of stuff on balla would be alot of work tho. And we can sadly only lynch one today. Maybe a vig can shoot balla hmmmm? The second post is the scummiest thing Jay's said all day. Actually it's scummy as hell rereading it. Under what town mindset are you ready to lynch one person and vig another two hours into the game? I wanna go look at balla before I crash.
I don't think he was bussing. Not after their insane buddying early in the game.
Jay is looking cool for me.
Suki/Oats/Hopeless/Alakaslam
I would look there.
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What I meant is, Jonny is petrified to talk about anybody as scum. He could have easily ignored jayB I think and just went for Balla/Koshi and just confirm them town when he flips because they are both really sexy anyway.
JayB is pretty null for me btw. Far from town.
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Can you try to explain your Suki feeling? I'm getting the complete opposite feeling. Her interactions with jonny look bad but I think she's playing really well and seriously trying to helping town a LOT.
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It could all be that she has the sickest tunnel on jayb that clouds her entire mind. But let's see if I can somewhat explain.
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1) It's that a lot of things said in this thread which I agree with are not being said by suki, and mostly she says the opposite. A good example is her wanting to lynch jay so badly while not really being against the Jonny lynch but actually really being against the Jonny lynch. Or that everybody saw it as a pretty legit blue claim. Some a bit more than others but suki sees this:
On February 09 2014 04:00 suki wrote:
what if Jonny was like 'I keep screaming koshi is scum until I'm blue in the face but you guys still won't vote him'
Would that be a blue claim? Like.. come on. If he really was blue and he wanted to breadcrumb he would have picked a better way than say 'I'm a true-blue townie'. That's just weak.
It wasn't something like "screaming till I am blue in the face". Not at all.
2) Another really big thing imo is that if your read her entire filter, start at page 2, look at how many times she tries to push the thread towards Jay and how many times towards Jonny.
The answer is 46 times to Jay and 0 times to Jonny. (Not the real answer but probably close)
She psuhes thread towards the afkers (LM and Alakaslam)+ Show Spoiler +On February 08 2014 01:32 suki wrote:
What do people think about lynching slam or LoneMeow for pulling the same 24 hour disappearance trick that Hopeless did in the previous game?
I know that slam can check the game from his phone and has no qualms about posting from his phone. This behaviour is not typical of either of them.
, she pushes the thread to Oats a couple times. But rarely to never to Jonny. Just open her filter and look especially to her pushing the thread towards people.
3) Then there is the soft Jonny defending somewhere after LM came into the thread and called Jonny scum.
On February 08 2014 06:18 suki wrote:
Ok so Jonny doesn't have any scum games that I can find. If someone can link me any that would be great.
Going through the previous town games of his I don't see too much difference between those games and this game. He's always posted one liners, with the occasional longer post here and there. One of the things that I didn't like about his play that I've mentioned is he keeps on shitting on Balla's opening post way after he says it's useless to talk about it.. But in Shadowed Mafia he actually does the same with Koshi's opening. Keeps on mentioning it despite saying it's useless.
I think there's not enough for me to come to a conclusion on him yet. I'm eagerly anticipating his case on Balla and the next few people he pushes.
4) I don't like how she construct certain posts, or her tone in them. I already gave that example of the disappointment of Jonny his afkness. How she starts the posts pushing jayB:
On February 09 2014 00:11 suki wrote:
I just can't get over my read on Jay. He's scum to me through and through. Even before he started blowing up at me his attitude just didn't make sense and didn't fit with his town play. People give him the pass for 'making changes' but they never explain why these changes make it more likely that he's town.
Just meh. I don't like it.
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When oats voted suki he found something about betraying a scum mindset. I has likes that a lot at the time.
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ok so im finishing catching up in thread...
and seems like you guys have already decided to lynch me based on slams actions so umm thats not good considering how shit at town I am Im not gonna have a snowballs chance in hell of unshitting alakaslams play. Just wanted to get that out there. dont expect me to work any miracles but I will try to keep thread updated with my reads as much as I can as I follow the game.
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I dunno.. vigi might want to shoot me if hes out there just to get me out of the game and not have to deal with unreadable town end game cause you know scum always keeps me to lylo
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we're not settled on anything. what do you think about the thread?
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I think its a pretty pro town atmosphere going on and that usually indicates scum that are lurking.
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On February 09 2014 11:40 Coagulation wrote:
I think its a pretty pro town atmosphere going on and that usually indicates scum that are lurking.
Interesting, who do you classify in the lurking category then. Which of them do you see being more likely scum?
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oats / lonemeow / aqua / sprang
somewhere in there
oats or lonemeow are most likely imo but thats not based on much
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Just for all you suki haters out there, having a different opinion about people and strongly pushing my scum read and trying to get people to see what I see are all not scummy.
There's no reason to start playing paranoid town lets-lynch-the-most-active-person-in-the-game at this point. Like seriously. I can't believe you guys are even considering this.
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