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On November 15 2012 00:48 Blazinghand wrote:
here via phone. anyo e votibg me needs to explain how my play this game is diferent than Storm Mafja or similar to any of the scum games ive played especially since a nontrivial component of the case is meat. no getting off voting me on meta wkfbojt at least doing your HW and staking out a position you can be held to. Ill be back in a few hours prk ably to vote one of these guys trying to opt out of the discussion by voti g me or more likely to call tbem Bad and develep DP case or talk Bout hopeless 1 meat
Take more time on your phone, man.
Anyway, I'll bite.
First things first: you are a clever dude. You are also aware of your scum meta, and we've talked about it before too. As such you're capable of making changes to your meta, or trying to. In other words, being more aggressive and what have you.
Things that have struck me this game with that:
- You called iamp "bad" at least a couple of times. Just outright calling him a bad player. This is in contrast to say Rock Band where you railed at him for poor play and you kept pushing him to play better. Here you call him bad and that's different.
- You called Kickstart "scum or bad", he should be "ignored", he should be "removed from our discourse" (or whatever the direct quote was). The townie BH I know does not completely belittle players like this. This boils down to pretty much outright bullying of a brand new player, and that is not the townie BH I know.
- we've also talked about this before again, but one reason you're pretty good as town is that you make yourself look positively townie with your play. I don't give a shit if you got mislynched once, that's how you normally play town. Here your play is marked by put downs, sarcastic remarks, and very little positive input.
- your case on Z-Boson. This was going to be part of my 'quiz', but if we take a look at your two most recent town-games, Rock Band and Whose Line, your first cases are marked by extensive use of meta. X is scummy because of Y, and look at how he played in this game and this game and this game to try to prove your argument. In this game you made no effort to research Z-Boson's meta, and that's not what I expect of a town BH. In contrast, your first major case as SK in Emergency Mafia also failed to utilise any meta as a supporting argument. Same with Bureaucracy.
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On November 15 2012 01:04 Clarity_nl wrote:
So what you're saying is you won't make cases because it requires effort? Dude you are making it so hard on me to not vote for you.
No it requires time I don;t have.
I am obviously making an effort. It is past 3 am I am drunk and all I want to do is go to sleep. But here I am trying to stop this mislynch.
Also. Fucking read what I write. Because the explanation is quite clear and you are twisting my words because you are scum or an idiot.
S&B fucking understands that this lynch is wrong TODAY. give me some time to get my shit together.
I am not going to fucking make a case or reads when I don;t have any and I DON'T HAVE THE TIME to make really solid correct ones.
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On November 15 2012 01:10 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 01:01 DarthPunk wrote:
SO it seems as if he case against me boils down to meta almost completely and yet my play this game conforms to neither my town nor my scum meta.
Let me tell you what I was doing today. I know people hate this kind of shit. But honestly FU all.
I am house sitting for my sister whilst she goes to Vietnam and Thailand for a month. She leaves tomorrow. So I had to pick up the keys and go over the care of her cats and dog.
Then my friend who I haven't seen for three years was here so I grabbed lunch with him. I had 4 hours in which I had time to not only post in two games, but do various chores before my friend and several others went out for dinner and drinks. I stayed out till now when it is almost 3am and then I get back completely wasted to post in this damn mafia thread with a bunch of idiots who want to mislynch me.
Yes you are idiots. The case is a meta case in which I am deviating from both my scum and my town meta. If I didn't care about being correct I could shit out some cases right now and most likely not get lynched.
I can make fucking excuses because they are true and I didn;t have the time to day to do the amount of reading I like to do in both games. So I prioritised the other game. Holy Shit. you know I need to read 4 end game filters in that game right?? And this game is progressing at a million miles an hour.
Literally I take 5 minutes to write my defence posts but it would take me hours to read enough to be comfortable pushing a lynch.
Because I give a fuck about being right in my reads. Holy shit. that is a town tell if I ever saw one.
I am drunk as fuck writing this post at 3 am when I should rightly be in bed because the best thing I can contribute right now.] is to try and prevent my mislynch.
Honestly. The meta case against me is complete bullshit because it is a shift of meta for both alignments.
Give me one more day to prove my self and to let me shape up. If I don;t you can lynch me.
Holy shit this is some bullshit.
Dont be cry baby about it prove your town by scum hunting. no one really gives a shit about your irl stuff. You are not scumhunting either do so or die at this point. I want to win this game and if your town your not helping me win
That is so fucking fallacious. Lynching bad townies does not further your win condition. If you think it does you are fucking terrible.
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On November 15 2012 01:12 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 01:10 iamperfection wrote:On November 15 2012 01:01 DarthPunk wrote:
SO it seems as if he case against me boils down to meta almost completely and yet my play this game conforms to neither my town nor my scum meta.
Let me tell you what I was doing today. I know people hate this kind of shit. But honestly FU all.
I am house sitting for my sister whilst she goes to Vietnam and Thailand for a month. She leaves tomorrow. So I had to pick up the keys and go over the care of her cats and dog.
Then my friend who I haven't seen for three years was here so I grabbed lunch with him. I had 4 hours in which I had time to not only post in two games, but do various chores before my friend and several others went out for dinner and drinks. I stayed out till now when it is almost 3am and then I get back completely wasted to post in this damn mafia thread with a bunch of idiots who want to mislynch me.
Yes you are idiots. The case is a meta case in which I am deviating from both my scum and my town meta. If I didn't care about being correct I could shit out some cases right now and most likely not get lynched.
I can make fucking excuses because they are true and I didn;t have the time to day to do the amount of reading I like to do in both games. So I prioritised the other game. Holy Shit. you know I need to read 4 end game filters in that game right?? And this game is progressing at a million miles an hour.
Literally I take 5 minutes to write my defence posts but it would take me hours to read enough to be comfortable pushing a lynch.
Because I give a fuck about being right in my reads. Holy shit. that is a town tell if I ever saw one.
I am drunk as fuck writing this post at 3 am when I should rightly be in bed because the best thing I can contribute right now.] is to try and prevent my mislynch.
Honestly. The meta case against me is complete bullshit because it is a shift of meta for both alignments.
Give me one more day to prove my self and to let me shape up. If I don;t you can lynch me.
Holy shit this is some bullshit.
Dont be cry baby about it prove your town by scum hunting. no one really gives a shit about your irl stuff. You are not scumhunting either do so or die at this point. I want to win this game and if your town your not helping me win That is so fucking fallacious. Lynching bad townies does not further your win condition. If you think it does you are fucking terrible.
stop replying to things and look at a filter or two, please.
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Marv you're gonna have to tell me what this quiz thing was, or maybe refer me to where you did it in another game? I'm intrigued.
@ Darth
You're not getting lynched today, if you had read the thread you would know this.
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On November 15 2012 01:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
Marv you're gonna have to tell me what this quiz thing was, or maybe refer me to where you did it in another game? I'm intrigued.
@ Darth
You're not getting lynched today, if you had read the thread you would know this.
I was planning on pulling up BH's cases in Rock Band, Whose Line, Emergency, possibly Bureaucracy, and here.
And playing "spot the difference" and "guess the alignment" with each post. Like I said above there, the two previous town games had lots of meta as supporting evidence. Here nothing - if you recall, I specifically asked BH earlier in the thread whether he had looked into Z-Bo's meta at all, and he had not.
I previously did a 'quiz' in Rock Band where I pulled up a bunch of Palmar posts from previous games as well as that game and asked people to guess the alignment. I put two list posts from scum games, as well as a really detailed thought out post from a town game, next to his list post from that game.
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On November 15 2012 01:07 debears wrote:
Dp
I would appreciate if you go ahead and make a read. Irl busy? That's fine. Surely u must have some contribution to make
It's 3 am I am tired as fuck. You want me to spend the hours necessary to make an accurate read? It isn't going to happen.
how about this though.
S&B is probably town. He actually read and comprehended what I said and then does not want to lynch the easy lynch.
Not what S&B would do as scum because he hates doing anything anything to jeopardise easy townie lynches as scum.
How do I know this? I played scum with him and he went ape shit when we almost derailed an easy mislynch.
Blazinghand should not be lynched. He is a claimed JK it is insane to lynch him today.
Clarity Is a gut scum read. I couldn't tell you exactly why. but something is off. I plan to look through clarities filter when I get up.
Hapa is a town read at this point. as is debears. and I won't fucking vote debears today even if he is my direct counter wagon so put that in your pipe and smoke it
If I had to vote right now I would be voting for clarity. But this has not been backed up with the appropriate amount of analysis which is why I was loathe to say shit like this in the first place.
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why are Hapa and debears town reads, DP?
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On November 15 2012 01:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
Marv you're gonna have to tell me what this quiz thing was, or maybe refer me to where you did it in another game? I'm intrigued.
@ Darth
You're not getting lynched today, if you had read the thread you would know this.
I have read the thread. Anything is possible. And I am an easy mislynch. For good reason. Doesn;t stop it being a mislynch though
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On November 15 2012 01:21 marvellosity wrote:
why are Hapa and debears town reads, DP?
Meta. And gut feeling. You are not going to find anything more solid than that I am afraid. I am not as informed as I would like to be and I am only giving these reads out to shut you all up.
This is the whole reason I didn't want to really make a read. I am giving you the shit I use privately before I bring anything to the thread. My mental notes if you will. I have them every game and they dictate my workload in terms of reading usually. But as everyone is having a conniption about it that is all you get I am afraid.
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EBWOP:
Call the reads in that post my first impressions if you will which is the very simplistic reads I get from my first read of the thread. Usually I go back through and piece more shit together. But as I said I haven;t had time and I want to go to sleep so I will do that now.
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Night all. GOing to be useful when i wake up I promise.
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I just realized I got DP and BH mixed up big time. I said DP isn't getting lynched today and that's completely false... TT
Back in 3.5 hours or so. Night DP.
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I had a dig through filters because I was interested in gauging some reactions to BH's claim.
thrawn - doesn't mention it. He makes me uncomfortable with his absence, but... meh.
debears - also doesn't mention it. At all. I find this *extremely* odd, given that he commented on s&b's "claim" and also referenced Z-Bo's. It seems unlike him not to comment on it at all. The only time he's really mentioned it is screaming in all caps that we're not lynching a claimed blue Day 1.
Hopeless - also doesn't mention it. Which is extremely odd for this reason:
On November 14 2012 22:16 Hopeless1der wrote:
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Am I going to need to pull a BH and shoot my load earl--I mean sift through my own meta to find examples of me being a jackass?
Btw debears, why in the hell were you unable/unwilling to comment on BH's claim?
Attacks debears for not commenting on BH's claim but hasn't done so himself.
I cannot explain why very clearly, but I just don't think we should be lynching DarthPunk today.
I think the lynch should be between Hopeless and debears, and I'd like people to talk about that, a lot. At the moment this makes me lean on Hopeless (and yes, I'm aware I'm flipflopping on him like mad).
##Vote: Hopeless1der
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posting briefly from work -
marv do you honestly believe bh was really being that dumb? Like, do you think he is telling the truth about why and how he claimed?
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On November 15 2012 01:54 strongandbig wrote:
posting briefly from work -
marv do you honestly believe bh was really being that dumb? Like, do you think he is telling the truth about why and how he claimed?
It doesn't matter right now. It can be assessed much better tomorrow after night actions. wifomwifomwifom.
If I had to choose I'd say BH was scum, but I'm nowhere near certain enough on it to lynch into a claimed blue without any further flip information.
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Votecount out of boredom:
DarthPunk (4): Clarity_nl, thrawn2112, Blazinghand, iamperfection
debears (2): Hapahauli, Hopeless1der
Hopeless1der (2): debears, marvellosity
Hapahauli (1): Kickstart
Blazinghand (1): strongandbig
Not voting (3): Crossfire99, DarthPunk, Z-BosoN
Currently, DarthPunk is set to be lynched! 9 hours remaining in Day 1.
Please PM any of your resident votecount bitches (or mighty master Keir) if your vote is counted wrongly.
Full version:
+ Show Spoiler +DarthPunk (4): Hapahauli Hapahauli, Clarity_nl, thrawn2112, Blazinghand, iamperfection
debears (3): Z-Boson, strongandbig, Hapahauli, Hopeless1nder
Hopeless1der (2): debears, marvellosity, marvellosity
Hapahauli (1): iamperfection, strongandbig. Kickstart
Blazinghand (1): iamperfection, Z-BosoN, marvellosity, iamperfection, strongandbig
iamperfection (0): Hapahauli, Bloatinghand
Z-BosoN (0): Blazinghand, iamperfection, Blazinghand
thrawn2112 (0): Hapahauli
strongandbig (0): DarthPunk, Z-BosoN, Clarity_nl, Hapahauli, DarthPunk
Clarity_nl (0): DarthPunk
marvellosity (0): debears
Not voting (3): Crossfire99, DarthPunk, Z-BosoN
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i thought we had come to terms that bh claim made little sense from a scum perspective? It was oddly timed and its not like he was in real pressure to die it does not feel like a scum fake claim to me.
I know darthpunk is capable of so much more until he gives me something more than his gut or his whining my vote will not change. I welcome him to do so because if he is town i want him in the game.
as for hopeless i dont feel very strong about him one way or another he has been lurking and i dont think what you have there marv is a super solid aha found scum moment but i could get behind it if dp comes back with something good and hopeless continues to lurk i can get behind it.
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On November 15 2012 01:50 marvellosity wrote:I had a dig through filters because I was interested in gauging some reactions to BH's claim. thrawn - doesn't mention it. He makes me uncomfortable with his absence, but... meh. debears - also doesn't mention it. At all. I find this *extremely* odd, given that he commented on s&b's "claim" and also referenced Z-Bo's. It seems unlike him not to comment on it at all. The only time he's really mentioned it is screaming in all caps that we're not lynching a claimed blue Day 1. Hopeless - also doesn't mention it. Which is extremely odd for this reason: Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 22:16 Hopeless1der wrote:
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Am I going to need to pull a BH and shoot my load earl--I mean sift through my own meta to find examples of me being a jackass?
Btw debears, why in the hell were you unable/unwilling to comment on BH's claim? Attacks debears for not commenting on BH's claim but hasn't done so himself. I cannot explain why very clearly, but I just don't think we should be lynching DarthPunk today. I think the lynch should be between Hopeless and debears, and I'd like people to talk about that, a lot. At the moment this makes me lean on Hopeless (and yes, I'm aware I'm flipflopping on him like mad). ##Vote: Hopeless1der
Fuck IRL excuses, but I'm not going to be here for at least 4 hours. That part of my post was a combination of I skimmed the thread, saw BH claim, thought it was ridiculous and noticed that debears was still tunneling me and hadn't commented on it. My fault for not making my own comments on BH's claim (it was retarded), but debears STILL has not commented on it. He's also not commented in the slightest on the fact that I've voted for him, which I find incredibly suspicious, like it he just ignores it, no one will look at him.
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lol at that vote count 11 out of 13 people have had votes on them at one time or another
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