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Radfield
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On June 18 2012 00:57 BrownBear wrote:
I think Greymist is town because I haven't really been able to read through his filter, and don't have much of a read on him. I will do that.
Also gonzaw, don't try to play when you're drunk. Bad things happen. I'll wait for you to come back when sober and clarify what you meant by all of that.
That's hardly a reason to see someone as town.... In fact, it's not!
Basically what you're saying in this post then:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 17 2012 11:59 BrownBear wrote:
Alright, I'm back.
My resoning behind the Palmar lynch is basically what gonzaw and others have posted. He's not playing the way he normally does when he's town, but he was definitely trying to act like he was Day 1. He's switched his opinion on everyone all the time, without ever providing reasons, and hasn't been called on it until now. He's basically skated, and I don't really understand why we didn't call him on it sooner.
He's definitely my target for today, unless something crazy happens, so I'm gonna look forward. One thing I was considering was the possibility of SK choosing to shoot tonight (and I think someone else mentioned that possibility). Given that the game is winding down, I thought it might be a possibility we'll have to account for. In the end though, I really think SK will not shoot tonight, because it's in his interest to shoot at the last possible moment (preferably when it will end the game). If we mislynch and Palmar is town, then SK will be forced to shoot red to keep the game alive (I think) but given the unlikelihood of that possibility, we're going to have SK KP to worry about.
So I think we lynch Palmar today, then worry about who's SK starting today and tomorrow. My "group of scum" would be:
Palmar
Radfield
prphlz
Wiggles
Palmar, case is proven. The other three I'm much less sure about. I'm certain the SK is one of them, though. All 3 have been trying very hard to play pro-town, but little things about their play have just thrown me off and made me question them.
Is that other than Gonzaw, and the player you haven't filtered, you think everyone is in the "group of scum".
So in other words, you think Gonzaw is town, and everyone else is scummy.
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Im going to vote palmar, hopefully there are no objections atm.
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On June 17 2012 22:29 Radfield wrote:I don't think there is necessarily a connection between BB and Palmar. They've had a lot of interaction, and I didn't really find much of it contrived. This exchange in particular seemed legit(open the quotes for the full convo). Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 05:40 BrownBear wrote:On June 12 2012 05:21 Palmar wrote:On June 12 2012 05:13 BrownBear wrote:
Palmar, I get that you like to play aggressive and by your own rules, but everything you've done so far this game makes me suspicious of you. Not to mention you've insulted me directly several times. As far as I'm concerned you're a cancerous influence on this town, and we need to either lynch you, or decide that you're just frustrating townie and ignore you. So you're fine with killing me even if I'm town cause you don't like how I play? I have only insulted you once when I called you "fucking useless so far", but for someone that just claimed to have been inactive due to out of game shit, I think it's a pretty fair portrayal. Or are you going to argue that you've been helpful? several times seems a bit dramatic. On June 12 2012 05:13 BrownBear wrote:
and we need to either lynch you, or decide that you're just frustrating townie and ignore you. On June 12 2012 05:13 BrownBear wrote:
and we need to either lynch you, or decide that you're just frustrating townie and ignore you. On June 12 2012 05:13 BrownBear wrote:
and we need to either lynch you, OR DECIDE THAT YOU'RE JUST FRUSTRATING TOWNIE AND IGNORE YOU. What part of this did you not understand? Also, you can argue I've been less active and less helpful than others in the game, but there are ways to say it without using the words "pretty fucking useless". That's just needless flaming, hurts my feelings, and is unwelcome.
I do agree that if Palmar flips scum, it casts Wiggles in a worse light. But looking at Wiggles actions and arguments from a scum perspective doesn't seem to fit. If Wiggles and Palmar are scum, then Wiggles is playing completely wrong. Consider: Palmar has basically gone MIA, everyone thinks he is scum and he's almost surely going to get lynched.... What's the proper scum play? You bus obviously. You certainly don't try to play for the immediate win with an ally who isn't even around. You just bus, and then push the mislynch on whomever defended your teammate. Trying to defend Palmar right now just risks throwing the whole game away. That's my gut thought anyways, but I'm going to do some reading.
That's the part I find odd as well....Palmar just called him "useless" because he wasn't doing anything (and he was right)....it seems a little strange for BB to get so worked up just for that single fact, considering Palmar responded to BB's case in a calm manner.
The whole interaction seems strange to me, BB votes Palmar for a shitty reason (the RNG thing), then starts bickering against him but doesn't actually call him scum (at one point he even says "we should figure out if you are frustrating townie or ignore you") or makes an effort to get him lynched, he gets all worked up and "frustrated" for no reason, all the while Palmar just acts as calm as possible, and just says "I'd like to lynch BB"....but never pushes his lynch, even when he had a chance of being lynched.
I put my vote on BB, so BB had a chance of being lynched. At one point Palmar expresses his thoughts about changing the lynch, and casually says we should lynch BB, but doesn't do anything to push it.
Of course, then BB pulls out the "I was frustrated, now I think Palmar is town" card, and even Palmar pulls out the same card later.
On D2 the thing I found odd was how:
-BB misinterpreted Palmar's joke (I thought it was obvious)
-BB started calling Palmar out for things and getting worked up again, but after bickering against Palmar he just completely ignored him, it seemed just for show.
So yeah, Palmar "going against BB" without a single effort in trying to get him lynched, and their interactions made me think it was a bus, so then I kept reading their filters and just figured out Palmar was scum, and there was a high chance BB was scum as well (I can post that half-case I had  ).
Of course we lynch Palmar today, no objections
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When is the deadline?
prplhz didn't actually vote....does he get modkilled?
Also, okay Palmar didn't even show up, I guess he gave up so that gives me a better feel for today.
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On June 17 2012 07:28 gonzaw wrote:
Although I find your behaviour weird.
If you are town, your behaviour doesn't make sense to me for the reasons I described above, but if you were scum/SK I think you'd try to blend in a little bit more, or at least try to do something instead of complaining the minute you replace into the game, and do nothing at all and even acknowledge that
Hmm, any thoughts on this people? Rad/Grey/Wiggles what do you specifically think of prphlz's behaviour and how it would fit in as scum/SK behaviour?
I'll repost this waiting for a response
Can someone post their opinion on prplhz, and more specifically his behaviour?
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I think he could be either, I think he is scum before SK though just because he isn't playin it like I would. He has pretty much resigned himself to the town, even though it is palmar getting lynched. With this breathing room he should be helping more, but he chooses not too.
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On June 18 2012 01:12 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 00:57 BrownBear wrote:
I think Greymist is town because I haven't really been able to read through his filter, and don't have much of a read on him. I will do that.
Also gonzaw, don't try to play when you're drunk. Bad things happen. I'll wait for you to come back when sober and clarify what you meant by all of that. That's hardly a reason to see someone as town.... In fact, it's not!
Well, yes. Hence why I said "I will go do that", implying I would go read his filter and decide. Until then, though, I see him as someone where I don't know if he's scum or not, hence, I make no accusations against him.
Erm, duh.
And gonzaw, I have an issue with direct attacks like calling someone "fucking useless". Saying someone is not contributing is a different matter. So I don't have an issue with what Palmar said, I have an issue with the way he said it (and frankly, I don't understand why we let him be as openly hostile as he is).
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On June 18 2012 07:23 GreYMisT wrote:
I think he could be either, I think he is scum before SK though just because he isn't playin it like I would. He has pretty much resigned himself to the town, even though it is palmar getting lynched. With this breathing room he should be helping more, but he chooses not too.
You think he could throw that "I don't care you guys are better then me I give up I'll just sheep gonzaw" tantrum as scum?
Like Rad said, at this point scum would likely bus Palmar and try to win on their own....prplhz doesn't seem to act like it (bussing Palmar by "sheeping" me and "going against his read" seems kind of odd for a bus).
He also doesn't seem to act for his own survival if he was scum. He basically admitted he wouldn't do shit and he's playing like shit, etc; and I don't think I'd expect that of him as scum.
If he was scum I'd expect him to push someone else (like Rad) and come up with reasons to cast doubt on him, etc to set up a misslynch on D4 that could win him the game.
Or at least he'd try to defend himself a little bit more and be more cautious, specially since a lot of people want him dead.
Yes, he could act like this as scum to confuse us or something, but I'm trying to see all possibilities here....and prplhz being town is one of them, so I want to be sure.
On June 18 2012 07:33 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 01:12 Radfield wrote:On June 18 2012 00:57 BrownBear wrote:
I think Greymist is town because I haven't really been able to read through his filter, and don't have much of a read on him. I will do that.
Also gonzaw, don't try to play when you're drunk. Bad things happen. I'll wait for you to come back when sober and clarify what you meant by all of that. That's hardly a reason to see someone as town.... In fact, it's not! Well, yes. Hence why I said "I will go do that", implying I would go read his filter and decide. Until then, though, I see him as someone where I don't know if he's scum or not, hence, I make no accusations against him. Erm, duh. And gonzaw, I have an issue with direct attacks like calling someone "fucking useless". Saying someone is not contributing is a different matter. So I don't have an issue with what Palmar said, I have an issue with the way he said it (and frankly, I don't understand why we let him be as openly hostile as he is).
Why did you just ignore Palmar on D2 even though he attacked you and you attacked him back?
On June 13 2012 12:24 BrownBear wrote:
Also, Palmar, srsly you think I'm scum every game. Find a new target to tunnel bro.
On June 13 2012 18:17 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 10:49 Palmar wrote:
damn, I was all ready to lynch ace, guess I'll have to lynch intelligently now.
##Vote gonzaw
I think you're scum bro, what do you think about that?
also I told you, radfield is doubleconfirmed town. Couple things I'd like to see you talk about more here. Firstly, why do you think gonzaw is scum? Could you give us a case? Secondly, do you have any reason for thinking Radfield is town other than "he agrees with me"? If so, please say it. --- Anyway, I think Hesmyrr is who I'm gonna vote on now, before I go to sleep. gonzaw's case has a couple good points. Namely, during the first day cycle he really did only pop up when he was being talked about. This indicates he was reading the thread very closely, but trying to avoid actively posting in it - usually only done by players who have something to hide. Since this setup has no blues who benefit from obscurity, that casts some serious doubt on Hesmyrr. Secondly, Hesmyrr also is doing the same thing I accused Radfield of doing earlier: He's subtly getting other people to contribute in his stead. Example: Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 07:07 Hesmyrr wrote:Hesmyrr, you pushed VE, you're obviously around as you posted an hour ago, yet you are not contributing at all to the lynch. Do you still think VE is the best lynch? Is anyone else on your radar? Pitch in. I was actually waiting for you to post the analysis regarding VE, since I couldn't find concrete argument to merit analysis post yet. Currently I find MZ lynch to be better than that of Palmar but I am not going to get stuck on black-white thinking; the fact that GreYMisT+VE have voted him is cause for concern which is why I am reserving my judgment until the last moment. Personally the interactions happened between VisceraEyes and you are making me extremely wary. He was the original guy to push VE, but he wants (i think) gonzaw to do the analysis? That's very strange. If he couldn't find enough concrete agruments to merit an analysis post, why does he expect another player to find it for him? Either he's very unsure about his analysis skills (not true, it's Hesmyrr, he's a veteran mafia player) or he doesn't want to post analysis out there himself. It's enough for me right now to vote for Hesmyrr. He and Radfield seem the most suspicious right now, and I think the case against Hes is slightly stronger, so... ##Vote: HesmyrrOne final thing: Cute. Now how about you contribute, like I said above. Why do you think I'm scum? Is it because I disagree with you? Because that's the only reason you've got so far. And it's a shitty reason, and I'm beginning to think you've just stopped giving a shit about this game and you aren't trying, which is unacceptable in a mini. Ok, I gotta get up in 6 hours, so I'm off. Night, all!
You got pretty worked up in that 2nd quote. Even though it was a joke and was explained to you later, at that time you thought it wasn't, and you began attacking Palmar ("I'm beginning to think you've just stopped giving a shit..." , etc).
However after the joke is "explained"...you never dwell on that again and keep ignoring Palmar until D3.
Why is that?
Why do you and Palmar take shots against each other on D2 but not act upon them? (well...Palmar did that because he's scum, but I'm asking about you).
That whole "I FoS Palmar for a stupid reason. I get angry at him for a stupid reason as well and waste the whole D1 on it.But now I think he's town. Now I'm harrassing him and say he doesn't care about the game and take shots at him for thinking I'm scum. Now I forgot about that and never mention him again. Now he's obvious scum let's lynch him" act of yours seems weird to me
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You're not all that better than me, you just spent a lot more time with this game than I did so it's just reasonable for me to sheep someone I believe does not want to lynch town.
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Night 3![[image loading]](http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120428181455/swordgirls/images/f/f1/200127L.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120417213047/swordgirls/images/6/62/300118L.jpg) Vanguard Knight GMarshal and Cultist Maid Palmar
Crux Head Knight iGrok had spent the entire day fighting the school administration to find out what had happened to the students, to no avail. Something was making them act strangely. Occasionally, iGrok could see in their eyes that they wanted to help, but couldn't.
For the fourth time in as many evenings, iGrok's door slammed open. Vanguard Knight GMarshal marched in, leading Palmar in cuffs. GMarshal's eyes were slits. iGrok could tell she was seething. Wordlessly, GMarshal dropped a voodoo doll on iGrok's desk. The doll looked a little like Sita Vilosa.
"What's this?"
"This," GMarshal started. "This is... Palmar is a Cultist Maid. I'm certain she's been controlling others with them. We found dolls of many school officials. Fortunately no students though, and the Sita doll was never completed. I'm off to lock her up, but I knew you'd want to be alerted immediately. Maybe this will help you get some answers."
GMarshal turned sharply and dragged Palmar bodily out of the office. This certainly was an interesting development. And with her maid now gone, perhaps catching Cinia Pacifica would be easier. Of course, Iri Flina was still a problem as well...
Cultist Maid Palmar has been caught with a voodoo doll and locked up!
[Before long, everyone in this household will do as I say.]
It is now Night 3! Night ends in 24 hours, 9:00 KST.
Please remember that flavor is flavor and nothing more 
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YES YS EYS FUCK YEAH!!!
Omg....first lynch I lead that ends up in a scum lynch....so proud :D
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BrownBear you should spend the rest of this night convincing me why we shouldn't lynch you tomorrow and who you think the remaining scum is.
prplhz, you should spend the rest of this night convincing everybody else why they shouldn't lynch you (you see, I'll most likely die tonight...and when I do everybody will want to lynch you), and contribute more.
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Mr Wiggles, same thing.
Basically, each of you 3 should post reasoning on who of that group of 3 (barring yourself) is scum and why and defending yourself as well.
All 3 of Wiggles, BB and prplhz could be scum for different reasons (yeah I'll explain my stance on BB and stuff more thoroughly later), and one of those 3 should be tomorrow's lynch because I'm sure the scum is in one of those (Grey and Rad are not scum...one of them could be the SK, but I don't care let's kill all scum first).
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Well done Gonzaw. I'd like to think I would've put it together eventually, but you made it so I didn't have to.
I strongly disagree with BB being the last scum. I feel like the things your pointing out as links are the things I'm seeing as the opposite.
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Well...I'll get shot tonight so I doubt I can pursue that lead tomorrow.
Like always I'll reread the thread and see if I catch something else (damn I've been changing my mind so many times this game >_> ).
I need to reread chaoser's filter some more, I still don't get the feeling he was scum, and I have a gut feeling prplhz's is town by his behaviour last day. That leaves BB or Wiggles to me....and damn I can see both of them as scum 
Rad, what do you think of prplhz's behaviour? Could you respond to those points I made above about how prplhz's behaviour seems too weird if he was scum?
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
I think BB is town, I think Greymist is Prob Town. I'm sure Gonzaw is Town or SK, and he will almost certainly get shot tonight, unless the last scum thinks he is the SK.
That leaves Wiggles and Chaoser/Prplhz as the last scum, and very possibly as SK too. Scum first though.
I still find Palmar's play in relation to Wiggles very strange.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
You feel fairly strongly that Greymist is Town Gonzaw?
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If prplhz is town.....a Wiggles+Palmar scumteam makes sense (if we'd followed Wiggles plan, we misslynch prplhz, it was LYLO so we lose and scum go and win the game)
If prplhz is the SK , well a Wiggles+Palmar scumteam makes sense as well if Wiggles actually thought prplhz was town.
BB/prplhz/Wiggles we are almost there and all 3 of you need to step up your game and comment on everything that's being discussed. At least 1 of you is town so make the effort.
Discuss on the BB+Palmar interactions I caught, the prplhz lynch Wiggles wanted us to follow last day, and prplhz' behaviour last day and connections between chaoser and Palmar for instance.
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