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Wander off for a night and come back to see people once again pushing my death with 0 substance aside from "hes red guys".
Out of players like palmar or syllo such bad horrific play is to be expected. It is part of their general play. However when players like foolishness even by this point in time have yet to create an actual case against me then it is an obvious tell he is red. If he truely believed I was red and knew that there was even any remote kickback to this game he would try to garner people to vote in a way to have me killed by posting reasons as to why I should not be saved. Instead we have such posts as
On May 04 2012 12:04 Foolishness wrote:
I vote we either kill BC or Cephiro (or both!)
Anyone also notice how his protoge katina has vanished almost entirely from this thread and has yet to make a single post in roughly 40 hours? Both people I fingered as reds have yet to do anything aside from lurk and spend happy fun times in pms. Very interesting wouldn't you all think? Foolishness' meta is fairly standard, and not posting his reads in a way to actually push them in thread is one of his mafia tells and has been for ages. But you guys ignore those things cause its what you do.
As for wonder gems like this
On May 04 2012 16:54 EchelonTee wrote:Tomorrow is last day of school. Craziness is ensuing (it's a shitshow if yout know what I mean), so it might be tough to keep my responses coherant. People I most support lynching: BC, prplhz, Cephiro in that order. BC - earlier claimed to analyze prplhz/Katina; in reality had never explained his positions. position on Katina in particular is completely baseless and reeks of fakeness because of being forced to make a read. Has only shat on other people's plans. Says Round A is time for people to be accountable; he doesn't make himself accountable for his "no" vote to keep him from being scrutinized. overall tone unhelpful, derrogative. should die. prplhz - skirted by on "sorry i play so bad I was busy"; fact remains that he has been present throughout the game (has many posts) but extremely little content, scumhunting, or pro-town behavior at all. that's called active lurking Cephiro - I'm not as sold on his alignment compared to the other two (because of the manner in which he defends himself), but he hasn't done much things to make him look town. says that the case on him is all meta, but based solely on his thread he's been disruptive (interactions with gonzaw, Palmar) while simultaneously doing jack himself. Person who I would want lynched right now but can't: sheth I have reasoning, no need to muddle the thread atm, but keep eyes on him please. @chaoser: my opinion of sandroba - voting trends suggest he's town, and in thread he hasn't been significantly more lurky than others, while also hasn't been disruptive. while prplhz has had plenty of time to catch up by now, it's clear sandroba has only had time to be here or there and honestly should've replaced out like Radfield did. will be obvious as hell if he's scum as time goes on, so not at the top of my concern list. I'm going to hold off on my votes until it's clear how we will get done what we want to get done.
This is coming from a player who has to this point in the game (at least in thread) done absolutely nothing at all. He suddenly bangs out his first "analysis" post and begins to jump on the same people who have been FoS'd or pressured for the last 24+ hours. Rather than contributing anything new he rehashes the same arguments that have been made previously as if they justify an opinion.
He in the same posts claims that he thinks someone else is scum but they won't get lynched so its pointless, but rather than share his reads so that people may agree or disagree with him its "i dont want to muddle the thread". New analysis is never muddling the thread unless you are spamming it for pages.
As for his opinion on roba, its friggen amusing. He has done nothing to help anyone in this game that I know of. Roba's scum meta is to do fuckall all game. His town meta is to take charge and think of plans. Which does he represent?
Then we have a post like this out of syllo
On May 04 2012 16:35 syllogism wrote:
Sheth is mafia, I can guarantee this. Anyway, we are killing BC and/or Cephiro today. Do not vote yet if you are town, as WBG says.
He at not point in time has said anywhere that I have seen that he can guarentee that his read on me or cephiro is correct but he did say he can guarentee Sheths. As such Sheth is obviously his strongest read yet rather than push it he is pushing the lynch on two other players.
Everyone seriously look at the players attempting to run this game. They give you near no reasons for why they believe what they believe, are actively keeping content out of the thread, and providing near no reasons for why they do what they do. If you also notice the main people being suspected for being scum that should die are all the people who have primarily been giving them any kickback. Ace, and VE both fought their plans, died and flipped green. It is obvious that there is no intent at the moment in them finding reds, it is about removing any voice who speaks against them. That is not how town wins games. Mafia win games like that.
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Sheth and Sandroba are in the minority. Who are you going to vote to keep alive?
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On May 05 2012 00:48 syllogism wrote:
Sheth and Sandroba are in the minority. Who are you going to vote to keep alive?
the obvious townie you guys are trying to get lynched that I am able to vote for.
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If it makes you feel better BC, I'd lynch sheth and sandroba in a heartbeat if I could. Probably along with yourself!
But alas, they gambled correctly on the yes/no thing, you didn't.
I guess there's nothing left for you but Cephiro, how romantic!
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On May 05 2012 00:57 Palmar wrote:
If it makes you feel better BC, I'd lynch sheth and sandroba in a heartbeat if I could. Probably along with yourself!
But alas, they gambled correctly on the yes/no thing, you didn't.
I guess there's nothing left for you but Cephiro, how romantic!
eh? how about you provide a solid reason as to why either of us are red seriously.
I have yet to see a comprehensive argument out of anyone aside from "dont think these people are manipulating me thus you have to be red" and even if that was a not reason for you and the rest of your cohorts to opt on, at least one of you would realize others would need far more than that. Yet you aren't in any way trying to provide those reasons. Hell you have people saying I believe x is guarenteed scum and rather than outlining why for a future lynch you just leave it at that? Thus again making people take your word for it?
You have prpl in the majority docket as well and he was heavily suspected for two days in a row but there has been no solid town play from him, how is he avoiding near all notice and instead getting comments like
On May 04 2012 02:13 Palmar wrote:
oh my bad, I was just browsing your filter.
Meh, I was hoping for something on sandroba, I didn't notice that your filter on motbob was 2 pages.
prplhz is confirmed town anyway.
Yet nothing he has done has in any way shape or form suggested he was town. No one has solidly addressed the analysis on him, and instead just claim hes legit with no basis or at least no provided basis of it.
Do you even understand why people suspect one of you or syllo or a possibility of both as being red?
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We have basis for calling him town, we just haven't explained it in public and aren't particularly interested in convincing mafia. The only "people" who seriously "suspect" us are mafia.
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On May 05 2012 01:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 00:57 Palmar wrote:
If it makes you feel better BC, I'd lynch sheth and sandroba in a heartbeat if I could. Probably along with yourself!
But alas, they gambled correctly on the yes/no thing, you didn't.
I guess there's nothing left for you but Cephiro, how romantic! eh? how about you provide a solid reason as to why either of us are red seriously.
I don't have to, if anyone is in doubt there's a filter button on all your posts.
On May 05 2012 01:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I have yet to see a comprehensive argument out of anyone aside from "dont think these people are manipulating me thus you have to be red" and even if that was a not reason for you and the rest of your cohorts to opt on, at least one of you would realize others would need far more than that. Yet you aren't in any way trying to provide those reasons. Hell you have people saying I believe x is guarenteed scum and rather than outlining why for a future lynch you just leave it at that? Thus again making people take your word for it?
Yeah, if I die I'm confirmed -> people will re-read the shit I said cause I'm really fucking smart.
While I'm alive I don't need to post more than what's required to keep the game flowing.
On May 05 2012 01:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:You have prpl in the majority docket as well and he was heavily suspected for two days in a row but there has been no solid town play from him, how is he avoiding near all notice and instead getting comments like Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 02:13 Palmar wrote:
oh my bad, I was just browsing your filter.
Meh, I was hoping for something on sandroba, I didn't notice that your filter on motbob was 2 pages.
prplhz is confirmed town anyway. Yet nothing he has done has in any way shape or form suggested he was town. No one has solidly addressed the analysis on him, and instead just claim hes legit with no basis or at least no provided basis of it.
Again, prplhz isn't about to get lynched, I don't have to explain why I think he's confirmed town until there is any danger of him being lynched. And in case I die... well again, people will understand that I must've had a reason for why I said the shit I said.
On May 05 2012 01:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Do you even understand why people suspect one of you or syllo or a possibility of both as being red?
Yep, most of them because they're scum and don't like us hanging them, I'm not too worried about it, I think killing a bunch of scum is one of the best ways of looking less like one.
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On April 30 2012 15:36 EchelonTee wrote:
@Sandroba: Last time you were town in a PM game you broke the hell out of it; if I don't see similar efforts then it's tunnel city.
On May 02 2012 08:10 EchelonTee wrote:
RE: Sandroba
He hasn't been been his plan-happy self from Space Station Mafia even a little bit, and from what people have been saying about him through PMs, he hasn't been disinterested and apathetic. The only other game I have played with him, TL Mafia L, he was pretty lurky as scum, so this lines up. I was waiting for him to respond to how accusations/post reads of his own (as WBG said he would be doing), but it's been a while now.
I would be fine with him as a secondary lynch, but with VE dumping votes on him I don't see how he will die today. If his busy-ness due to Brazillian parties or whatever is genuine, he now has a chance to step up his play.
On May 04 2012 16:54 EchelonTee wrote:
@chaoser: my opinion of sandroba - voting trends suggest he's town, and in thread he hasn't been significantly more lurky than others, while also hasn't been disruptive. while prplhz has had plenty of time to catch up by now, it's clear sandroba has only had time to be here or there and honestly should've replaced out like Radfield did. will be obvious as hell if he's scum as time goes on, so not at the top of my concern list.
I'm going to hold off on my votes until it's clear how we will get done what we want to get done.
You go from saying you'd be all over sandro if he wasn't active to being only ok with his lynch as a secondary lynch to giving him more time...????
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On May 05 2012 00:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Wander off for a night and come back to see people once again pushing my death with 0 substance aside from "hes red guys". Out of players like palmar or syllo such bad horrific play is to be expected. It is part of their general play. However when players like foolishness even by this point in time have yet to create an actual case against me then it is an obvious tell he is red. If he truely believed I was red and knew that there was even any remote kickback to this game he would try to garner people to vote in a way to have me killed by posting reasons as to why I should not be saved. Instead we have such posts as Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 12:04 Foolishness wrote:
I vote we either kill BC or Cephiro (or both!) Anyone also notice how his protoge katina has vanished almost entirely from this thread and has yet to make a single post in roughly 40 hours? Both people I fingered as reds have yet to do anything aside from lurk and spend happy fun times in pms. Very interesting wouldn't you all think? Foolishness' meta is fairly standard, and not posting his reads in a way to actually push them in thread is one of his mafia tells and has been for ages. But you guys ignore those things cause its what you do. As for wonder gems like this Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 16:54 EchelonTee wrote:Tomorrow is last day of school. Craziness is ensuing (it's a shitshow if yout know what I mean), so it might be tough to keep my responses coherant. People I most support lynching: BC, prplhz, Cephiro in that order. BC - earlier claimed to analyze prplhz/Katina; in reality had never explained his positions. position on Katina in particular is completely baseless and reeks of fakeness because of being forced to make a read. Has only shat on other people's plans. Says Round A is time for people to be accountable; he doesn't make himself accountable for his "no" vote to keep him from being scrutinized. overall tone unhelpful, derrogative. should die. prplhz - skirted by on "sorry i play so bad I was busy"; fact remains that he has been present throughout the game (has many posts) but extremely little content, scumhunting, or pro-town behavior at all. that's called active lurking Cephiro - I'm not as sold on his alignment compared to the other two (because of the manner in which he defends himself), but he hasn't done much things to make him look town. says that the case on him is all meta, but based solely on his thread he's been disruptive (interactions with gonzaw, Palmar) while simultaneously doing jack himself. Person who I would want lynched right now but can't: sheth I have reasoning, no need to muddle the thread atm, but keep eyes on him please. @chaoser: my opinion of sandroba - voting trends suggest he's town, and in thread he hasn't been significantly more lurky than others, while also hasn't been disruptive. while prplhz has had plenty of time to catch up by now, it's clear sandroba has only had time to be here or there and honestly should've replaced out like Radfield did. will be obvious as hell if he's scum as time goes on, so not at the top of my concern list. I'm going to hold off on my votes until it's clear how we will get done what we want to get done. This is coming from a player who has to this point in the game (at least in thread) done absolutely nothing at all. He suddenly bangs out his first "analysis" post and begins to jump on the same people who have been FoS'd or pressured for the last 24+ hours. Rather than contributing anything new he rehashes the same arguments that have been made previously as if they justify an opinion. He in the same posts claims that he thinks someone else is scum but they won't get lynched so its pointless, but rather than share his reads so that people may agree or disagree with him its "i dont want to muddle the thread". New analysis is never muddling the thread unless you are spamming it for pages. As for his opinion on roba, its friggen amusing. He has done nothing to help anyone in this game that I know of. Roba's scum meta is to do fuckall all game. His town meta is to take charge and think of plans. Which does he represent? Then we have a post like this out of syllo Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 16:35 syllogism wrote:
Sheth is mafia, I can guarantee this. Anyway, we are killing BC and/or Cephiro today. Do not vote yet if you are town, as WBG says. He at not point in time has said anywhere that I have seen that he can guarentee that his read on me or cephiro is correct but he did say he can guarentee Sheths. As such Sheth is obviously his strongest read yet rather than push it he is pushing the lynch on two other players. Everyone seriously look at the players attempting to run this game. They give you near no reasons for why they believe what they believe, are actively keeping content out of the thread, and providing near no reasons for why they do what they do. If you also notice the main people being suspected for being scum that should die are all the people who have primarily been giving them any kickback. Ace, and VE both fought their plans, died and flipped green. It is obvious that there is no intent at the moment in them finding reds, it is about removing any voice who speaks against them. That is not how town wins games. Mafia win games like that.
It's called a life, yo! Sandroba used it and he is still alive, why can't I??
Seriously though, I have been in PM land. I'll be honest, with everything taken care of there there wasn't a need to post in the thread. At the times I was around nothing was happening in the thread or there was arguing about Cephiro which was something I did not want to get involved in. Not a good excuse I know but surely you can understand.
I would like to address this post you just made though. I don't see how this helps the town at all. Everything I see with it is just pushing a mafia agenda. You have been consistent with wanting to kill myself and Foolishness I'll give you that. But as for general posting behavior all you've done is thrown doubt around at the people who are trying to lead the town to victory. This includes Foolishness, but you've attacked syllogism and Palmar now. I have my doubts about these two but at least they have both tried to do something. You seem more content on just shutting down everyone's plans and instilling doubt in the town. And this seems to take priority for you over pushing your reads.
Saying that the intent is "about removing any voice who speaks against them" is silly. It seems to me some of these people (Foolishness, gonzaw, wherebugsgo, syllogism) are more concerned about finding mafia than anything else. sandroba is mafia but he's not speaking out against them. Cephiro isn't speaking out against them so much as just trying to stupidly defend himself. You are the one who is speaking out about the scum hunters, who is pushing an agenda, who is slinging doubt around, who is not actively trying to make plans [I recall you saying something early that trying to make plans is stupid and we should just scumhunt. People in PM land (guess who!!!) tell me that this is not like your town play]
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On May 04 2012 22:46 syllogism wrote:By the way, he sent me this PM last night Show nested quote +Original Message From Cephiro:
BC has played very openly and been honest about his opinions. Although his town play is not perfect, I could say the same about several others in this game. Add that on top of the PMs and reactions from certain people opposing him, I have absolutely no reason to believe he is scum.
At the moment I am fairly sure you are town, but I am not completely sure of a few things:
1) Why the buddying with Palmar
2) Your most posts seem very towny to me, but yet you keep pushing this very anti-town plan, there is no way for people suddenly trust you or Palmar any more than anyone else, and you nor Palmar have much town-cred to back it up imo.
Also, interesting fact: There are a lot of players being called out for not scumhunting or making cases (especially in thread). Fact is, I don't see either of you two doing it either.
LOOOOL
Sorry BC but your scumbuddy is awful.
I would've bussed him long ago if I were you
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On May 05 2012 01:13 syllogism wrote:
We have basis for calling him town, we just haven't explained it in public and aren't particularly interested in convincing mafia. The only "people" who seriously "suspect" us are mafia.
I don't suspect the both of you. I only suspect you syllo 
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Who are the two mafia? I know who one of them is!
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Here are my reads :
BC - Suprised everyone thinks hes mafia. However I can see it a bit as he didn't really talk to me much and he provided me 4 votes out of no where. I do appreciate it BC, but I'd like to know the reason behind it.
Syllo - I'm unsure. I think he has a 60% chance of being mafia, but a lot of people I talk to think hes 100% town... I'm sticking with my thinking that he has a good chance of being mafia.
Palmar - Towniest Townie to Town.
Gonzaw - 59% mafia due to his early tunneling / anger against Cephiro. I'm not sure though Gonzaw I would like to keep you around for another day to see more.
Foolishness - I don't have much of a read on you.
Katina - We've played a few games together and I dont' think we've ever PM'ed or talked together once. Whats up? What are your reads?
WBG - I like WBG so far. I'm content with him living.
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Sheth you forgot to comment on cephiro, the guy who you allegedly gave 5 votes. Any thoughts on his defence of BC?
BC has played very openly and been honest about his opinions. Although his town play is not perfect, I could say the same about several others in this game. Add that on top of the PMs and reactions from certain people opposing him, I have absolutely no reason to believe he is scum.
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On May 05 2012 03:05 syllogism wrote:Sheth you forgot to comment on cephiro, the guy who you allegedly gave 5 votes. Any thoughts on his defence of BC? Show nested quote +BC has played very openly and been honest about his opinions. Although his town play is not perfect, I could say the same about several others in this game. Add that on top of the PMs and reactions from certain people opposing him, I have absolutely no reason to believe he is scum.
I didn't forget anything. I commented on Foolishness' list.
I haven't really read through BC that well, he hasn't been a focus of mine this game. Let me filter him and I'll get back to you shortly.
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No, you don't even have to filter him. How likely do you think it is that a townie uses phrases such as "although his town play is not perfect"? Cephiro doesn't know he is town, he just has a town read on him, so the phrase is very peculiar. Also he references vague "reactions from certain people opposing him" as evidence of him being town, which is quite bizarre as I've no idea what reactions or people he could possible even be referring to.
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Ok after reading through BC's filter I like him. He has strong reads on Katina (whose I have a life defense I thought kind of lame). And I haven't looked at prplhz, but he has a read on him as well.
I actually appreciate him not trusting Palmagism. As I'm somewhat in that same vote except I only distrust the gism part. So I don't mind Cephiro defending BC because earlier BC defended Cephiro. I'm still at around 50/50 for Cephiro btw.
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Oh you are just a mafia trolling at this point, yawn
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On May 05 2012 03:15 syllogism wrote:
Oh you are just a mafia trolling at this point, yawn
No, I'm not.
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In that case you should just ask palmar for guidance and sheep him, because you've a strong town read on him and presumably you think he is a good player and his reads are basically completely opposite to yours. But I have actually seen your town play and this is not it.
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