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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On May 06 2011 12:46 redtooth wrote: Hey I'm redtooth. I told you so. Told you so what? I said I was more sure Irish was mafia than Kurumi was. Should have lynched Irish over Kurumi. Either way, it's day one. I'll rethink everything tomorrow. | ||
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AirbladeOrange
United States2571 Posts
sandroba chaos13 ilovejonn sinani206 Forumite VarpuliS Eternalmisfit AirbladeOrange GGQ orgolove Mig Amber[LighT] Forumite Beneather Theres a good chance multiple mafia members are on this list. I think we should check in to the people who bandwagoned. | ||
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rredtooth
5459 Posts
Wasn't part of your argument that Kurumi and Irish are linked mafia? I mean one of the most incriminating things you said about Irish is that he chainsaw defended Kurumi and jumped to his rescue. I thought we pretty much established that you were fine with Kurumi lynch since he was probably the same alignment as Irish? I thought Kurumi was #2 on your lynchlist? Don't try to distance yourself now that it seems bad. No more safety plays plz. Let me reiterate once more: FoS on Chaoser for pursuing safe protown-looking lynches on obvtowns | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On May 06 2011 12:55 redtooth wrote: That "told you so" wasn't directed exclusively at you. But I'll play along. Wasn't part of your argument that Kurumi and Irish are linked mafia? I mean one of the most incriminating things you said about Irish is that he chainsaw defended Kurumi and jumped to his rescue. I thought we pretty much established that you were fine with Kurumi lynch since he was probably the same alignment as Irish? I thought Kurumi was #2 on your lynchlist? Don't try to distance yourself now that it seems bad. No more safety plays plz. Let me reiterate once more: FoS on Chaoser for pursuing safe protown-looking lynches on obvtowns Apparently he was only obvtown to you...You can't deny that in the end, even you thought Kurumi was mafia, you even said you had to re-evaluate him. I'm not trying to distance myself, I said I would rather Irish be lynched over Kurumi. I still stand by that. Yes, the chainsaw defense falls through now but that still doesn't explain his inactivity and non-willingness to respond to questions about his statements. He's disinterested in the game? 10 bucks says he starts showing signs of life tomorrow and a lot more interest. | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
On May 06 2011 10:43 VarpuliS wrote: @GGQ: I <3 your sig. Could you link to the game w/ Serejai that you're referring to? <3 could be a breadcrumb? FoS VarpuliS | ||
DropBear
Australia4290 Posts
22 posts since the game started for real, starting with 228. On May 05 2011 07:12 VarpuliS wrote: I just read through the thread, and I'm not sure exactly what to think. My biggest FoS right now is on Rising_Phoenix. He hasn't been lurking, exactly, but rather making vacuous posts. Active =/= scummy. Why are you telling people to stop talking? This is not pro-town. It's pretty ironic that you're telling people to stop spamming by making an empty spam post. When you start posting content, you can tell people to stop spamming. Your post is pretty empty yourself. I am interested in the fact that very early on you say that active does not mean scummy. Why not? On May 05 2011 08:36 VarpuliS wrote: A very common scum technique is to act suspicious of other scum, so that when/if they flip red you can say "I knew it" and seem pro-town. What the hell is this post? Inactive players are not pro-town because they
This is either a really stupid post or a really scummy post. I honestly can't tell which. Lynching an inactive day 1 is common, because it is rare to have enough information/analysis to peg any actual scum. A lynch based off of solid analysis is always to be preferred, of course. Ultimately, town wants to get rid of all inactive players before lylo, when each vote and opinion counts, while scum wants to keep as many inactives alive as possible, because they're useless to the town and just add uncertainty. On May 05 2011 08:40 VarpuliS wrote: It is very hard to tell which is which. Thus, inactives must be treated as lurkers, or else lurking scum could just hide as inactives and be safe. that would be bad. The best course of action is to pressure the lurkers into posting. If they are truly inactive, they get modkilled and we move on. I'm not talking about them, i'm talking about the "posting so I don't get modkilled today" kind of poster. I consider them inactive as well. You are repeatedly talking about inactives but you go to absolute no lengths to actually bring them out. Noone is named, no requests are given. This is all pointless. VarpuliS was very strongly on the Kurumi lynch. Here is his case: On May 05 2011 11:15 VarpuliS wrote: Kurumi Kurumi's posts can be divided into two categories. Useless spam, and misleading drivel, and actual content Useless spam. + Show Spoiler + On May 04 2011 22:41 Kurumi wrote: I thought I will have any heavy read by the time I am back and game starts but.. the only thing I saw was CHAOS. Saying that,while someone says this,posting some rules being in the other thread,just doing a contribution without any value I have no clue what that is even supposed to mean. Not helpful, just spammy. On May 05 2011 01:07 Kurumi wrote: Chaoser,You wouldn't make any effort to defend Yourself if they were onto something,note that Irish backed off into the shadows,while You try to do something. You have two different approaches to play. Sandroba tries to play the Town Hero,he "has" the sense! Chaos13 does not know what is going on anymore. This post makes a lot of statements without really saying anything. Spam. On May 05 2011 01:49 Kurumi wrote: Thanks Chaoser,I think I did not see that tip in Newbie thread. I wasn't too cautious,right,but even insane thought can turn out to be true. I have no idea how to reply. What does this contribute? "crazy shit can be right," so I'm not going to defend my opinion. On May 05 2011 03:13 Kurumi wrote: 13 2 6 3 2 2 13 Thanks for pointing out that I am fearful of using names,thus making my posts inconsistent,weird and often misunderstood. Which posts should I "repair" - that meaning making it totally straight and understandable? Why the hell are there numbers at the top of this posts? Rest is nonsensical. On May 05 2011 03:18 Kurumi wrote: No,I am just saying that using names all over again is unnatural for me. Fine, but not a contribution, so technically spam. On May 05 2011 03:36 Kurumi wrote: Such unlucky formatting,I had such cool line of numbers from top to the bottom. I tried to make something happen and yeah I did,but it turned out talking about me is interesting. spam. On May 05 2011 04:00 Kurumi wrote: Jackal58 Just a post. spammyspamspam On May 05 2011 04:24 Kurumi wrote: Punk,You're back! So my pre-emptive lurker vote is obsolete now! OK then, good for you! thank you for that On May 05 2011 04:50 Kurumi wrote: Remember people mentioning the numbers. Giving away Your biggest weakness might be Your biggest strenght. what? On May 05 2011 04:54 Kurumi wrote: Haha,it was cool first season,then got boring. About LOST, or some shit like that On May 05 2011 05:03 Kurumi wrote: Sorry I didn't call for mass roleclaim,that would not be mysterious and pretty cool Mafia game,eh? Nice joke, funny funny, no content. On May 05 2011 05:44 Kurumi wrote: Hello there Kenpachi,enjoy reading the thread! On May 05 2011 05:54 Kurumi wrote: Hey Jackal58,we missed You! Nice posts. I would be missing your good ones, but I never knew them. Misleading drivel. + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2011 00:56 Kurumi wrote: Drop Chaoser discussion as scum. He will be probably shot this night because he is good at Mafia and is staying really pro-town. It is good to see some lurkers waking up! I agree that Chaoser is pro-town, but shutting down analysis and suspicion on any player without suggesting a more suspicious player is not pro-town play. On May 05 2011 01:09 Kurumi wrote: Oh,also I am voting on Irish Punk. Funny how he and chaos have 13 in the end of their nicknames. I would call this spam, but it involves a vote. His reason is "he plays differently from Chaoser" Bad. On May 05 2011 01:16 Kurumi wrote: I just note that his behaviour is different from Irish_Punk's and it looks pro-town,because of trying to make party going As I said, bad reasoning. On May 05 2011 01:22 Kurumi wrote: I just find his activeness into lurking suspicious. Why would You stop contributing when You have nothing to fear of? There is a real world outside of TL. On May 05 2011 01:32 Kurumi wrote: Chaoser,did You really grab my crappy contribution posts from SC2 to Mafia forums? I did not vote because of coincidence,I just saw it. When I stared my third post I knew that it will go wrong and I will be accused of scum. Bringing more chaos into Day 1 than there was wasn't my intention. A scummy post is still scummy even if you acknowledge that it is. On May 05 2011 03:35 Kurumi wrote: 13 Eternal - his refers to Chaoser. It was pointed out though Irish_Punk13 might just started doing 2 something besides writing post here on Mafia forums,so his step back into lurker den isn't 6 actually that obvious,just a normal human activity. 3 My point is,Mafia itself would rather not start the discussion(unless it was questions helping them 2 out,like "How do You deal with Mafia claims" "What usually gives out Your identity" etc) 2 The thing that Chaoser and redtooth posted was just a mini-guide how not to fail horribly at Mafia. 13 Still it could be a smoke bomb. This is so confusing that any content that might be in this post is lost on me. what the hell do the numbers mean? On May 05 2011 04:13 Kurumi wrote: AirbladeOrange: "A dead Townie is a good Townie" I like Your style,as Cave Johnson said! Cute, but misinterpreting the post. On May 05 2011 04:33 Kurumi wrote: Numbers? What numbers? 13 2 6 3 2 2 13? They're just to cast more suspicion on me,like hey! Random numbers MUST be something! No. I just felt like typing them. My type of posting might be connected to English being my second language (the biggest thing is repeating names which I am not comfortable with,where in Polish I need to find 2347234 possibilities to avoid typing the same thing in one,even two sentences.) It was wrong to assume my thought process will apply to everyone and I understand that mistake. Just to put some emphasis: 13 2 6 3 2 2 13 is nothing,but I might get some link if You want to make them mystical,You know. Why would you post meaningless numbers? I'm fine with the explanation of why you post the way you post, but the numbers thing totally derails this post. Again, how are useless numbers beneficial to town? Actual good content. + Show Spoiler + On May 04 2011 23:07 Kurumi wrote: I don't have any problem with this post because I agree with it. Good post.Your attacks on Chaoser and redtooth are not supported by any evidence than nitpicking,yes they are posting without much value,but we are just starting off. On May 05 2011 04:15 Kurumi wrote: Seriously. Never say that dead Town is a good deal,it makes You look weird or even suspicious I'll count this so that this section has more than 1 post in it, because this is a logical statement. On May 05 2011 05:29 Kurumi wrote: Sandroba,You were the person to grab the number trick to make me suspicious. Easy lynch for scum,isn't it? I don't accuse You of being red but.. You're trying to do it the easiest way. Don't keep doing it,please. When You don't think and just go straight You might miss something. On May 05 2011 05:30 Kurumi wrote: Stop doing it,please* Grammar,the horror! I'm calling this content despite my better judgement. He's calling out sandroba for joining a bandwagon based off of faulty evidence (I think). Fair enough. On May 05 2011 06:09 Kurumi wrote: So basically I need to do something,because my fishy posting won't be a good defence for myself while I am gone. Kurumi used Excuse! Kurumi has some Excuses left! Excuse:This will be my first time doing a small analysis,so please don't beat me and lay down Your stones,pickaxes,guns or whatever You just picked up. Thanks. My thoughts on: Chaos13 Points out my weird style of posting,numbers and thinks it is huge scum tell. He is thinking on his own rails,probably not trying to doom us all. Sandroba Hero of our city! Scumhunts every post and every post he has new scum tell,amazing how he does it. Together with Chaos13 is picking on my posting. Irish_Punk13 Got on my rails or at least tries to understand what I try to tell. Points out AirbladeOrange suspicious behavior. Supposedly works for town. AirbladeOrange Wants me dead. Because dead townie is best townie,right? Since I have no contribution value I am worthless. Looks like that is not what he meant actually. Dead townie has no vote privilege! The less votes are available for town,the better for the scum! Suspicious,might be scum. Chaoser Very careful,does not like me hugging him. This is both-side reaction. Though because it is Day1 and his biggest contribution was the hint post I believe I can't decide who he is. KillerSOS Plays for fun,enjoys the game. Agreeds with the Irish_Punk13. ilovejonn Is as careful as Chaoser,has good idea who should be looked at. Kenpachi Has got this. I mean,the backup plan of course. Is onto something obviously. Overall,most of people are trying to hop on me,or AirbladeOrange for his bluff about dead townies. I know this is not SO helpful analysis that You'd hoped for,but look at top of the post. No. Don't pick up those. Please? It is about my excuse. Many of You already used them,some multiple amount of times,but I have no time to pick on it. I believe I will have time to post tomorrow after school (day ends 5:00 KST,right?) It's defensive, but it's content. I don't agree with some of it though. The Kenpachi part is BS, the ABO part is half OMGUS and half logic. Notice how the majority of his posts are spam, misinformation, or anti-town. Can you find the townie under all of this? because I can't. This guy isn't being pro-town, and in my opinion he's our best lynch for day 1. ##Vote: Kurumi + Show Spoiler + Whew, that took longer than I expected... This is the only major analysis from him so far. He makes a large song and dance about how much of what Kurumi says doesn't make sense. The part where you say he's posted good content you also say you don't agree with it all. Could you elaborate? Also I find little difference between many of the posts you say are misleading drivel and those that are "actual content". You've helped lynch Kurumi on grounds of spam and unhelpful/misleading posts. This is also spam, unhelpful and misleading, as are about 5 of your posts around here. There's a FoS on Cthsazsa which you very quickly forget about. On May 05 2011 12:49 VarpuliS wrote: elmizzt, do you often refer to yourself in the third person? Cthsazsa, you've used the "they want us to waste our votes" twice now, I believe. I've got my eye on you. You didn't respond well to jackal's tunneling, and now you disregard the reason elmizzt voted for you. FoS Cthsazsa is on my scum list as well as you. This is an attempt to help you appear town down the line when Cthsazsa flips. If you really were town and felt like hunting scum you'd follow up on this. Following this is a few posts regarding posting in third person. These are just spam, unhelpful and misleading, just like your read on Kurumi. Next is his third FoS, Irish_Punk13: On May 05 2011 21:20 VarpuliS wrote: I'm on the fence between lynching Irish_Punk13 and Kurumi. At this point it seems to me that Irish is only scum if Kurumi is too. People are pushing a lynch on Irish because of the information he'll provide when he flips, but I think that we can get all of that information from a lynch on Kurumi. Situation A: Kurumi flips scum, it is very likely that Irish is as well. We lynch Irish the next day, and we get our information, just a day later. Situation B: Kurumi flips town. Irish is probably town, we move on. The only real scumtell from Irish is noting Kurumi's "great posts" which don't exist. If Kurumi is town, then Irish is just an idiot. I'm posting from my phone, classes start soon and I probably won't have time to check the thread again until the afternoon. This is entirely a push for an information lynch which is a very bad idea. Also, what happened to your case against Irish_Punk13? On May 06 2011 06:01 VarpuliS wrote: Just got back from school, damn this thread is moving fast. Kurumi's posting hasn't improved, It seems. What sort of townie plan is based upon being scummy and nonsensical to get the town talking and then saying "Guys, i'm not scum, it was all part of the plan?" My vote's staying on him. Someone a couple pages back corrected me about my "lynching for information theory." I think it was Aidnai. Thank you, I'll keep that in mind for the future. This looks to me like a townie getting bored. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets himself modkilled or replaced. He retracts the information lynch idea, then follows up with a post stating the bleeding obvious about Rising_Phoenix. You still aren't contributing at all other than tunnelling Kurumi hardcore. Follows this with huge reposting of redtooth's arguments, copy-pasted. The only other real post of note he has is this: On May 06 2011 09:37 VarpuliS wrote: Yo Beneather, you just voted without posting in the thread. Why was this not followed up on? Interestingly enough Cthsasza also brings him up and doesn't do anything about it. On May 06 2011 10:11 Cthsazsa wrote: Beneather's a lurker CONCLUSION VarpuliS is mafia. He does a whole lot of talking and doesn't actually say anything. He very strongly tried to get Kurumi lynched and did nothing else. He is hiding in plain sight. His complete lack of any contribution other than tunneling Kurumi, self-contradictions and complete disappearance once the Kurumi lynch was certain, plus his interaction with other people I believe to be scum make him dodgy. | ||
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rredtooth
5459 Posts
On May 06 2011 12:58 chaoser wrote: Outside of Amber, no other "vet" agreed with that lynch. It was you who put the FoS on Kurumi (admittedly I'm not really sure who the "vets" are in the game but w.e). It was you who implied the connections between Irish and Kurumi. It was you who said you "read the air" or something and were fine with the lynch.Apparently he was only obvtown to you...You can't deny that in the end, even you thought Kurumi was mafia, you even said you had to re-evaluate him. I'm not trying to distance myself, I said I would rather Irish be lynched over Kurumi. I still stand by that. Yes, the chainsaw defense falls through now but that still doesn't explain his inactivity and non-willingness to respond to questions about his statements. He's disinterested in the game? 10 bucks says he starts showing signs of life tomorrow and a lot more interest. I don't think you understood what I said about Kurumi either. I made it explicitly clear that though I'm not as confident he was town, he definitely definitely definitely wasn't worth the lynch. As a matter of fact, I was more confident Kurumi was town (80%) then you were that Irish is scum (70%). I took a HUGE amount of flak for defending Kurumi and townhunting. You can try to distance yourself from the Kurumi lynch but you'll find it a difficult time to distance me from the opposition. If Irish does the retarded "Hey guys I'm back but busy but will do minimum to not get modkilled", I will reevaluate. I'm always open to reevaluations. However, atm he is just another townie that we could easily build a case against but really have no merit in doing. There are scummier people out there in the world, only difference being there cases aren't as easy, sexy, nor safe to make. Regardless, let's put aside our differences for now and study. We can't lynch each other at night anyways. | ||
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rredtooth
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On May 06 2011 13:14 redtooth wrote: @Chaoser - If anything you should thank me. If you really are green, I just saved you from an obvious stacked nightkill haha. My friend, live one more round and redeem yourself. Yeah yeah -_-;;. You know that feeling where you're REALLLLLLLY sure of yourself and then it's like...lawl...I don' goofed? Yeah... | ||
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DropBear
Australia4290 Posts
He has 17 posts in the day cycle after the day starts. Almost all the first half are one-liners talking about rereading the OP or jokes. The first major post is this: On May 05 2011 04:26 ilovejonn wrote: Just finished reading the thread. I read really slow as I'm often thinking about other stuff when I read. First I'll give my opinion on the Irish13 discussion even though it has dropped. I like what redtooth did do get responses out of people but as he said himself, it became a null tell when almost everyone defended Irish. The post redtooth used to invoke responses from was a post that could have been misinterpreted by people and from seeing people defend Irish, it leads me to believe Irish isn't scum. I've only played 4-5 games on TL mafia, but I'd like to ask what does RSV/RQV stand for? Secondly, my gut feelings tell me that redtooth and chaoser are not scum based on their posts. They are actually quality posts, and even if they are scum, at least what they are posting benefits town for now. It is better to heed the advices in their posts than to bash them for it (for now). I don't want another Kavdragon incident in here again where we lynch someone because they are "too pro-town". Pretty silly. Last but not least, FOS Kurumi and Airblade. Kurumi for his posting behaviour. Why are you posting like that? Maybe English isn't your first language but what about the post with numbers? Are you trying to breadcrumb something? I'm just not understanding your posts. Airblade for saying "At least if we lynch him and he flips town, we won't have to attempt to read those type of posts anymore." That is extremely anti-town. Of course you would want to lynch someone who isn't scum, because then you'd waste a day AND lynched a townie, am I right? This is mostly reposting what redtooth's gambit at the start of the game. The FoS on Airblade is understandable. FoS on Kurumi is reasonable at this early stage as he hasn't talked about his plans or posted any analysis yet. On redtooth: On May 05 2011 07:03 ilovejonn wrote: I think this is true. I don't know why he would ask questions such as what was your mafia experience. Sure it generates discussion but is any of that really relevant to scum hunting? Unless this is another one of his plans to draw out responses.. You agree we should definitely keep suspicion on redtooth but you then go and rubbish it straight away. No stance here at all. This is the explanation of his vote for Kurumi. On May 05 2011 08:30 ilovejonn wrote: Tbh, I would place my vote on Kurumi. Irish comes off to me as a player defending hard for himself. Kurumi's post make no sense to me. Questioned about he says he makes his posts weird just for the hell of it. That's no way to defend yourself if you're playing to win. His last post does become a bit more understandable but still makes no sense. Look at what he thinks of Kenpachi etc. I don't really understand your reason for voting for him. You decide against voting for Irish because he defend himself hard. I'm pretty sure Kurumi did that too. Kurumi has said repeatedly that he was trying to bring out scum, I think he's been quite successful. He made himself a bandwagon and you have jumped on. If he's playing to win, he wins if he can get some scum killed. He doesn't have to survive til the end. You are trying to cover up his plan. In response to you being called out as quiet: On May 05 2011 12:04 ilovejonn wrote: Told you guys I'm an invisible poster. I've made my stance before and have voted for Kurumi. I also explained why I don't think the other candidates are a better choice than Kurumi. Only reason people may think I'm inactive is because there are posts and pages flying through and my posts are probably not long enough. I would agree that some vets around are posting less than usual though. However I'm pretty lenient since it's only Day1. On that note though, I have work 11 - 9 est tmr and will only be posting after 10 pm. You haven't explained anything about any of the other candidates. You disappear after bandwagoning him. Lastly this just before the lynch: On May 06 2011 11:59 ilovejonn wrote: I got off work at 9 pm est. Come home and had to read 10 pages. I already explained I read slow. And by the time of this post it is already 10:56 pm est. I have to eat dinner and stuff too. Please people if you don't have anything to contribute don't post something because I never skip any single post. I read them all, even the spam. Maybe I should learn to scan but them I'm afraid I'll miss something. My vote stays on Kurumi, I'm not going to switch a vote at 10:58 pm est, especially when it doesn't do a damn thing. Off the top of my head though, my suspicions are on the guy who made an excel spreadsheet. I'll post more later. First of all, why not change your vote if you don't think he's scum? Last minute switches have happened before. Also, why is making a spreadsheet which specifically shows the links to everyone suspicious? You need more than that. CONCLUSION ilovejonn is very suspicious but I'm less certain than on VarpuliS. ilovejonn does have a history of being fairly quiet in past games. | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On May 06 2011 13:08 DropBear wrote: On VarpuliS 22 posts since the game started for real, starting with 228. Your post is pretty empty yourself. I am interested in the fact that very early on you say that active does not mean scummy. Why not? You are repeatedly talking about inactives but you go to absolute no lengths to actually bring them out. Noone is named, no requests are given. This is all pointless. VarpuliS was very strongly on the Kurumi lynch. Here is his case: This is the only major analysis from him so far. He makes a large song and dance about how much of what Kurumi says doesn't make sense. The part where you say he's posted good content you also say you don't agree with it all. Could you elaborate? Also I find little difference between many of the posts you say are misleading drivel and those that are "actual content". You've helped lynch Kurumi on grounds of spam and unhelpful/misleading posts. This is also spam, unhelpful and misleading, as are about 5 of your posts around here. There's a FoS on Cthsazsa which you very quickly forget about. Cthsazsa is on my scum list as well as you. This is an attempt to help you appear town down the line when Cthsazsa flips. If you really were town and felt like hunting scum you'd follow up on this. Following this is a few posts regarding posting in third person. These are just spam, unhelpful and misleading, just like your read on Kurumi. Next is his third FoS, Irish_Punk13: This is entirely a push for an information lynch which is a very bad idea. Also, what happened to your case against Irish_Punk13? He retracts the information lynch idea, then follows up with a post stating the bleeding obvious about Rising_Phoenix. You still aren't contributing at all other than tunnelling Kurumi hardcore. Follows this with huge reposting of redtooth's arguments, copy-pasted. The only other real post of note he has is this: Why was this not followed up on? Interestingly enough Cthsasza also brings him up and doesn't do anything about it. CONCLUSION VarpuliS is mafia. He does a whole lot of talking and doesn't actually say anything. He very strongly tried to get Kurumi lynched and did nothing else. He is hiding in plain sight. His complete lack of any contribution other than tunneling Kurumi, self-contradictions and complete disappearance once the Kurumi lynch was certain, plus his interaction with other people I believe to be scum make him dodgy. Actually, I did do something about it. I looked up Beneather's post history in this thread. VarpuliS was wrong. Beneather posted 3 times since the game started. The three posts he made don't have much value to them, though. On May 05 2011 08:24 Beneather wrote: Could you analyze these posts. So that we can see the scumtells you are telling us. We can't just bandwagon a guy just you say he has 4 posts and had a few scumtells. We need a little more than that. He asked Forumite to analyze the posts. Forumite did, but very poorly. After Forumite's analysis, Beneather never commented on it. In fact he never talked about it again. This dude's clearly lurking. As for my one liner, I apologize DropBear. My girlfriend was in the hospital, and I couldn't resist checking up on the thread while I was waiting. So I hastily gave my opinion of him, which was a mistake. I should've waited until now to give my analysis. DropBear, you also said I didn't do anything about it. Well, neither have you. And on your post against VarpuliS, you do a really good job pointing out his slipups. You've pretty much stated why he is one of my FoS. On May 06 2011 13:08 DropBear wrote: Cthsazsa is on my scum list as well as you. This is an attempt to help you appear town down the line when Cthsazsa flips. That is exactly what VarpuliS said, you even quoted it. I find that to be a horrible reason to call someone scum. Not because I'm the target in it, but because you can use that argument on literally anyone. Forumite Why he is becoming a FoS in my books. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + On May 06 2011 07:04 Forumite wrote: If you are blue, now´s the time to roleclaim. Why are you arguing that day-vigilante is a good move by using probabilities you yourself think are wrong? + Show Spoiler + On May 06 2011 06:33 Forumite wrote: Is it tunneling if you admit that I´m right, that calling Irish and Kurumi scum would be protown right now? + Show Spoiler + On May 06 2011 06:44 Forumite wrote: Wouldn´t wasting a day-vigilante be a bit of a waste? Lets make comparisons between those posts by Forumite. Each of these posts are either asking a question or making a statement to continue the argument. They aren't worth any value, don't contribute, and all they do is draw out pointless/stupid arguments that don't benefit the town. On May 06 2011 09:00 Forumite wrote: Moving my vote to Kurumi. If we have 20 votes on one person, at least we know it stays there, scum can´t flip the vote at the last second. ##Unvote: redtooth ##Vote: Kurumi In his last post before Kurumi's death, he hops on the bandwagon and switches his vote to Kurumi. My top 3 FoS right now are Beneather, Forumite, and VarspuliS | ||
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AirbladeOrange
United States2571 Posts
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DropBear
Australia4290 Posts
He has 14 posts in the thread after the game begins. I understand this is his first game. His first real post was in response to redtooth's initial call on Irish_Punk13 and resulted in a warning for editing: On May 04 2011 13:12 sinani206 wrote: How so? EDIT: You never know. I don't know what it was pre-edit but the interesting thing to point out is the link, once again, to redtooth. Cthsazsa does the same thing. On May 04 2011 23:19 sinani206 wrote: Read the two posts above you. He did it to see who would jump on it, not to actually accuse Irish. Defence of redtooth. On May 05 2011 01:27 sinani206 wrote: So you vote for people because there's some type of coincidence? Don't make this like SC2 Mafia, please. Quick to jump on the Kurumi train. On May 05 2011 10:31 sinani206 wrote: OK, back from practice. + Show Spoiler [Redtooth] + He is probably the most confusing player right now. First he accuses Irish for no reason, but then takes it back, followed by a policy post. His excuse was that he was trying to see how quickly people defended Irish, but what if that was plan B? Redtooth hasn't posted in a while now, and this has kinda died down, but I just want to remind everyone about what happened earlier. Don't just throw things away as soon as he makes an excuse. + Show Spoiler [Chaoser] + Chaoser was very aggressive at first, of course starting with his accusation of Irish which was followed by additional aggressive posting. But then he calmed down a little. Is it because his Mafia buddies told him to, so as not to be targeted? That is the main question I have here. + Show Spoiler [Jackal58] + Aggressive, but in a neutral way. Nothing he has said swings me one way or the other. He plays very well. You get a star! lol. + Show Spoiler [Irish_Punk13] + May have overreacted to accusation, but that was probably just surprise... I don't blame him. He then blames AirbladeOrange, which isn't too suprising. More on him next. + Show Spoiler [AirbladeOrange] + Very suspicious with not much of a defense. Possible vote right here. + Show Spoiler [Cthsazsa] + Posting, but no real substance. Another possible vote. + Show Spoiler [Forumite] + Very analytical, no aggressiveness. + Show Spoiler [Others] + Nobody else really stands out enough or has enough posts for me to analyze their play. Just keep posting, people! [/spoiler There isn't much here. You say you have more on Irish_Punk13 and never provide. The suspicion of AirbladeOrange and chaoser isn't elaborated on at all. Why does Jackal get a star exactly? For being aggressive? The analysis of redtooth is easily the most substantial, but you never follow up on it. The only person who has been a large voice so far who is missing is of course Kurumi which chaoser calls you out on in the next post. On May 05 2011 10:51 sinani206 wrote: Oh sorry, did I not include Kurumi in my post? He was in the Word document. Here he is: [spoiler=Kurumi] Very analytical, but at the same time, very aggressive. He doesn't give up. This causes me to believe he is a member of the Mafia. I will be voting for him today, Why on earth is this a good reason to vote for him? He's very analytical? That's a huge pro-town factor! Your boss redtooth has also been very aggressive but you don't talk of voting for him. Uh-oh, someone not voting for your bandwagon? On May 05 2011 11:41 sinani206 wrote: Kurumi has just been generally unhelpful and detrimental to the town. Must I say more? Yes, yes you must say more. On May 06 2011 11:07 sinani206 wrote: Do you need a majority or a plurality to win the vote? This question is very important to Mafia. CONCLUSION sinani206 is Mafia UPDATED SUSPICIOUS PERSONS LIST Redtooth MAFIA VarpuliS MAFIA sinani206 MAFIA Beneather MAFIA Cthsasza MAFIA ilovejonn SUSPICIOUS Lyter SUSPICIOUS The interaction between sinani, Varpuli and Redtooth is reminding me of the scum team I was part of last game. One vocal leader and the underlings doing his bidding. Redtooth is focusing on chaoser to help take down one of the vocal opposition. UPDATED ??? LIST I am removing Rising_Phoenix due to his post about getting caught behind and pissed off. He is new and the only game he has played was Newbie Mini Mafia 1 which was 15 pages total length. It will be interesting to see how kevconsim acts as his replacement. | ||
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KillerSOS
United States4207 Posts
Oh well. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On May 06 2011 14:05 KillerSOS wrote: Well can't say that result was unexpected... we all pretty much agreed that he was just a noobtown. Oh well. If you felt so strongly, how come you spent so little effort defending him or pushing your preferred target? | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
Oh well.[/QUOTE] If we were all in agreement he wouldn't be dead. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4290 Posts
On May 06 2011 13:57 Cthsazsa wrote: My take on the situation before I go to bed. Actually, I did do something about it. I looked up Beneather's post history in this thread. VarpuliS was wrong. Beneather posted 3 times since the game started. The three posts he made don't have much value to them, though. This is entirely true. He asked Forumite to analyze the posts. Forumite did, but very poorly. After Forumite's analysis, Beneather never commented on it. In fact he never talked about it again. This dude's clearly lurking. As for my one liner, I apologize DropBear. My girlfriend was in the hospital, and I couldn't resist checking up on the thread while I was waiting. So I hastily gave my opinion of him, which was a mistake. I should've waited until now to give my analysis. Ok fair enough, I hope she's ok. DropBear, you also said I didn't do anything about it. Well, neither have you. And on your post against VarpuliS, you do a really good job pointing out his slipups. You've pretty much stated why he is one of my FoS. I certainly did do something about it. I voted for him. He's been in every scum list I have presented so far and I've heard nothing. That is exactly what VarpuliS said, you even quoted it. I find that to be a horrible reason to call someone scum. Not because I'm the target in it, but because you can use that argument on literally anyone. This is true, but I believe your other interactions with the people I find suspicious to be interesting. I have linked all of you together and if I am correct this is what he has done. I may be incorrect. Your extreme overreaction to being accused is mostly what leads me to suspect you and the suspicion is strengthened by aforementioned interactions. Forumite Why he is becoming a FoS in my books. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + On May 06 2011 07:04 Forumite wrote: If you are blue, now´s the time to roleclaim. Why are you arguing that day-vigilante is a good move by using probabilities you yourself think are wrong? + Show Spoiler + On May 06 2011 06:33 Forumite wrote: Is it tunneling if you admit that I´m right, that calling Irish and Kurumi scum would be protown right now? + Show Spoiler + On May 06 2011 06:44 Forumite wrote: Wouldn´t wasting a day-vigilante be a bit of a waste? Lets make comparisons between those posts by Forumite. Each of these posts are either asking a question or making a statement to continue the argument. They aren't worth any value, don't contribute, and all they do is draw out pointless/stupid arguments that don't benefit the town. In his last post before Kurumi's death, he hops on the bandwagon and switches his vote to Kurumi. My top 3 FoS right now are Beneather, Forumite, and VarspuliS I hadn't looked at Forumite at all. This has actually been interesting. Again, someone who has been at odds with redtooth is getting FoS'd. I disagree when you say his questions are pointless. His questions here have been almost exclusively calling out redtooth. The only thing that interests me from what you've shown is the last-minute switch from redtooth to Kurumi. I will look more closely at him but your analysis makes me feel the opposite way. | ||
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KillerSOS
United States4207 Posts
anyways, headed to bed. | ||
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rredtooth
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kevconsim
United States317 Posts
On May 06 2011 12:22 VarpuliS wrote: Hi kevconism! I would just like to say hello and that i think ur scum because you spelled my name wrong. I have been following the thread a little bit and will have my full opinion of people tomorrow but as of now and when i was told i could start posting. I AM TIRED | ||
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