On February 27 2014 01:10 suki wrote:Case on TheChyzTheChyz comes in with a town read on Mocsta out of the blue saying 'it's the way you're playing'. He dodges my request for him to share his reads by saying 'I have some hunches', without elaborating.
He starts pressuring Mocsta. Makes a bad case on JJD that he quickly gets off of.
Says this:
Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 15:12 TheChyz wrote:
You guys can play having 1 scummy thing on someone and immediately call them mafia. I don't.
Then votes geript with a pretty awful case.
Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 16:38 TheChyz wrote:kk. With geript I still have a problem of how he was so quick to say that rayn and toad couldn't be scum together. There was no explanation why he made that conclusion until I finally made him answer with
On February 26 2014 12:33 geript wrote:On February 26 2014 12:26 TheChyz wrote:
Hey geript I'm not a moron you know. My memory lasts more than a few minutes. Would you mind explain why rayn and toad can't be scum together. (for the third time...)
A few things. One is how chummy they are early makes it unlikely they'd be together. Second, Rayn is probably town for his geript cop joke; it took me like 3 minutes to get that one. Third, I like Rayn's WoS vote and minor push; WoS has been trolling really weird to start off with and isn't his usual witty self. Fourth, they wouldn't both likely push back against me as scum together this early. Like I'm apparently unreadable to people which is totally crazy in my mind.
All of these points are terrible. It seems more like he just put out some random statement and after being asked to answer on it it seems like he is backtracking. See how he goes to make several points. Not only does it seem like he is trying to be over defensive but that most of them are just a big pile of poop. Let's go over the points:
1) I don't even know what chummy means but it seems like the way you guys are acting early on. Again that doesn't really say anything and is something anybody can say about almost anything.
2) He is backtracking to a joke rayn made that makes him town? Well shit i think he just solved mafia. People making jokes = town. I don't understand the context but I believe that is irrelevant.
3) I don't even understand this one. Something again that rayn is towny to him.
4) Saying how its unlikely for something to happen which does not seem unlikely at all.
In all of these points, NOTHING again answers why he think rayn and toad cannot be scum together. If anything it seems more like he is developing a rayn town read. This all seems like a load of backtracking and most likely hoping that he wouldn't get called out for his words before hand.
Apart from that everything else just has no effort to even try and scum hunt. Thought he was kinda scummy but not this scummy until re-reading his filter now.
##Vote geript This case is really bad. Not only does he not explain how geript is scummy for any of his 'points', it seems like a big part of his case is 'I dont understand whats going on'. His entire case is based on geript's comment that rayn and toad cannot be scum together... Like, that's just weak.
Show nested quote +Thought he was kinda scummy but not this scummy until re-reading his filter now.
This conclusion just feels out of place. Like he's trying to explain why he didn't think geript was scummy before but now he does. "Making a story", as it were.
TheChyz also seems to be pressuring Mocsta, but I have no idea what TheChyz's opinion of Mocsta is. At the beginning of the game he read Mocsta as town, now he seems to be neutral?
Show nested quote +Also suki just rubbing me the wrong way with here weird defensiveness and interactions with mocsta. Not sure what but something from reading her filter just doesn't seem right.
This is also really flaky. He's saying I look scummy but isn't trying to figure out what looks scummy. He thinks mocsta is suspicious but isn't making a decision. He made a weak case on geript off of one of geript's posts but doesn't seem to be commenting on other things that geript has done.
Other people's cases on TheChyz In general I agree with other people's cases on TheChyz.
I like JJD's case:
Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 22:50 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 26 2014 22:34 Mocsta wrote:
JJd, since you are here.
Thoughts on Chz and Suki pls.
(Regarding Suki, i get you think she was carefree at the start, but what about overall)
Suki reads very town to me.
Chyz does actually read very scummy to me after a reread. Few things I don't like:
- Like gumshoe, he called you town early when I don't think you were acting townish @ all.
- He sheeped geripts case on me and while I think geript legit misread my post, it kinda felt like chyz was being opportunistic
- I agree w/ the notion that someone acting scummy does not automatically make that person a scumread. But the way he worded it
On February 26 2014 14:42 TheChyz wrote:
I don't think he's mafia, but I do think this sentence "But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case" is scummy.
doesn't sit right.
Like "I'm leaning scum" or even "He's null for me" would be a better qualifier for that sentence.
I don't think Mocsta's case is that good.
Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 11:16 TheChyz wrote:
Ionno suki, are you going to come in and provide any attempt at reads or just ask questions all day long?
As per your question, I have hunches on some things, but nothing I feel is actually worth saying atm.
Here, TheChyz casually queries Suki indicating that he does not share my read. The question posed will not provide any alignment indicative response either.
I don't think TheChyz's question on me indicated that he didn't share Mocsta's read (that I was suspicious).
I don't agree with:
Show nested quote +The important thing to note is that previously TheChyz stated he would only comment if something is wroth commenting on. So why... is he so fixated on someone calling "Rayn/Toad" town.
He seems to refuse to accept they can both be town; yet, hasnt given a direct indication of his read on either player.
Very scummy.
TheChyz hasn't indicated what he thinks of Rayn or Toad's alignment which is weird but not scummy. His case on geript was independent of his read on rayn/toad.
Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 14:31 TheChyz wrote:
Typo seen ^ *gumshoe is currently set to be lynched*. Just found that funny since so much talk has been about him
This is a guy that is intentionally trying to dodge giving out any insight AND THAT is scummy.
I can understand the point that it is trying to dodge giving insight while commenting on gumshoe. I can see it as a townie 'haha i found it funny'. I can see it as a scummy 'lets talk about things but not really'. I see that Mocsta has pinned it as scummy behaviour.
Show nested quote +In summary:
Overall, TheChyz arguments have been weak and offer no insight into his thought process.
He is calling out people prematurely (e.g. Holyflare + Rayn/Toad) yet doesnt indicatve whether he reads those players town or scum.
He also prematurely calls me town when not under fire for my scumhunting, yet doesnt seem to support my reads.
Lastly, he goes out of his way to dodge questions (e.g. to Suki).
I find it funny that Mocsta's summary points 1 and 2 can be used to describe his play this game. I don't see how, on its own, Mocsta's points establish that TheChyz's play has been scum motivated.
Other people have posted cases but I'm out of time this morning
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SUMMARYI think the word to describe TheChyz's play is "weak". There are plenty of contradictions in his words and actions. He seems to have no inclination to scum hunt, but every inclination to throw suspicion on people.
I'm leaning towards scummy on him.Scummy things:
1. random defense of mocsta out of nowhere
2. not being transparent with reads, not straight up saying 'this person is scummy' (except geript but that case sucks)
3. not pushing his scum reads.
4. Seemingly not interested in finding scum.
I know rayn and some other people brought up cases against TheChyz, and when I read through them in my catch-up I generally agreed with them. There are some points that were brought up that are not in this case that do make TheChyz look scummy.
Mocsta being so adamant on TheChyz makes me doubt that both of them are scum together. TheChyz recently has spent effort talking with Mocsta, which, given his weak play, I find unlikely to happen if they were scumbuddies. Also no reason for a hard bus at this point.
mmm... I'll have to think about this one. There's still half a day left so plenty of time for both players to contribute.
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