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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 20:02 GMT
#821
Oh this post. Vivax:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444078&currentpage=32#621

In this post you question gumshoe about things i think either he, or someone else has already answered. Did you even read the big me/Wave/gumshoe discussion? Like, i don't see anything in that post that is not answered already.
table for two on a tv tray
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 26 2014 20:04 GMT
#822
Rayn do you not think that's actually attacking gumshoe from a different perspective?
Neither you or I mentioned his read of mocsta in conjunction with that post.

Geript, am I town now? Because apparently now you may have to convince Vivax 'cause he wants to talk to you about me.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 20:06 GMT
#823
On February 27 2014 05:02 geript wrote:
Rayn, why are you so town on Toad?

bcz of what i have already said.

If you don't do anything real i will end up voting for you because scum want to break up people's townreads on other townies when they don't understand where they are coming for (yes, i just did that in GSL IV). Even if the read is as bullshit as you make it seem like it is in your opinion (which it isn't) it's far far more likely that it's townies who give town reads on other people based on bad reasoning at the start of the game because scum have no reason to do so.

So get over it and go do something else, right now you are tunneling someone for bullshit reasons and it makes you look bad. Even if you are right that definitely does not make Toad mafia and you are never going to convince anyone with your case. This is also something i think you would realize as town which makes me think you are even more scummy.
table for two on a tv tray
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 26 2014 20:06 GMT
#824
On February 27 2014 05:01 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 09:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:42 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Toad are you a miller?

of course not, but I like this question. You replace WoS as my buddy to murder all of mafia. Easiest townread ever

Pshh.
That was fast.
You whore.

This was a post that felt like it wasn't funny enough to be town Wave. Like it's hard to explain but this post really bothered me on a visceral level and I couldn't explain why.

Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 26 2014 10:19 Mocsta wrote:
On thi 26 2014 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Gumshoe just tell me now.
Am I going to have to policy lynch you for lurking this game?

If u r town I don't like at all what our doing.

Which is.
Crating an atmosphere of intimidation
If u think otherwise, surely you can admit that the above is not conducive to gleaning the alignment of gumshoe in the slightest

Gumshoe post was very reasonable and called me town for the right reasons.
Did u read a thing he wrote?

Just establishing my dominance, honey.
Yes gumshoe's post was reasonable, but also easy. It doesn't say a thing to me about yours or his alignment.
I was curious as to whether or not he'd actually be playing this game as I'm used to him either playing his heart out, or lurking like crazy.

This one struck me as odd because I've only really experienced Wave dickwaggle on voice.

Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:14 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
@moc
Anything you want to discuss?
Im drafting up my issues with Suki so feedback on that would be good when its released.

As an aside/observation/muse till then, I havent read in detail the interactions between Geript/Toad/Rayn (as I have been focussed on you + Suki) however I am finding Rayns approach to Toad odd (regardless of alignment). Basically I know Rayn doesnt respect Toads town play.

Red Herring or something to keep note of?

Nah I'm generally okay with it. I don't find it alignment indicative for Rayn.

Something JJD said reminded me of something:
On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.

If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer?

In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.)
Town should always be considering all options.

I missed this post earlier but it's really subtly super super towny. He's referring to JJD's interaction with Mocsta about Mocsta phoneposting Sukmi instead of Suki where Suki responds and JJD gets in there a bit Moc. It shows that Wave is connecting various points together at once; like his mind is bouncing around instead of specifically looking for something he can latch onto. That fact is not only supertown but like super super town for WoS as well.

I could go on further to explain but there's no point in doing further right now.

Ah I think I can finally get a solid read on you.
Pop quiz, and answer this quickly.
Why is this super town for me?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 26 2014 20:06 GMT
#825
On February 27 2014 05:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
Rayn do you not think that's actually attacking gumshoe from a different perspective?
Neither you or I mentioned his read of mocsta in conjunction with that post.

Geript, am I town now? Because apparently now you may have to convince Vivax 'cause he wants to talk to you about me.

I think so. I really doubt I've shat the bed on that read, but I'm not doing your dirty work for you wubby. Talk to me about the JJD read; I still want to know what you think about him.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 20:07 GMT
#826
On February 27 2014 05:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
Rayn do you not think that's actually attacking gumshoe from a different perspective?
Neither you or I mentioned his read of mocsta in conjunction with that post.

Geript, am I town now? Because apparently now you may have to convince Vivax 'cause he wants to talk to you about me.

No but it has been mentioned before. Vivax already said later on he does not want to question people for same stuff other people do and that's all i see in that post.
table for two on a tv tray
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 26 2014 20:07 GMT
#827
On February 27 2014 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 05:02 geript wrote:
Rayn, why are you so town on Toad?

bcz of what i have already said.

If you don't do anything real i will end up voting for you because scum want to break up people's townreads on other townies when they don't understand where they are coming for (yes, i just did that in GSL IV). Even if the read is as bullshit as you make it seem like it is in your opinion (which it isn't) it's far far more likely that it's townies who give town reads on other people based on bad reasoning at the start of the game because scum have no reason to do so.

So get over it and go do something else, right now you are tunneling someone for bullshit reasons and it makes you look bad. Even if you are right that definitely does not make Toad mafia and you are never going to convince anyone with your case. This is also something i think you would realize as town which makes me think you are even more scummy.

K Rayn I have officially decided I like you this game.
For once, just once, can we try and work shit out together?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 20:09 GMT
#828
On February 27 2014 05:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 27 2014 05:02 geript wrote:
Rayn, why are you so town on Toad?

bcz of what i have already said.

If you don't do anything real i will end up voting for you because scum want to break up people's townreads on other townies when they don't understand where they are coming for (yes, i just did that in GSL IV). Even if the read is as bullshit as you make it seem like it is in your opinion (which it isn't) it's far far more likely that it's townies who give town reads on other people based on bad reasoning at the start of the game because scum have no reason to do so.

So get over it and go do something else, right now you are tunneling someone for bullshit reasons and it makes you look bad. Even if you are right that definitely does not make Toad mafia and you are never going to convince anyone with your case. This is also something i think you would realize as town which makes me think you are even more scummy.

K Rayn I have officially decided I like you this game.
For once, just once, can we try and work shit out together?

Well i already think you are town so yes.
table for two on a tv tray
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 26 2014 20:10 GMT
#829
On February 27 2014 05:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 05:01 geript wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:42 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Toad are you a miller?

of course not, but I like this question. You replace WoS as my buddy to murder all of mafia. Easiest townread ever

Pshh.
That was fast.
You whore.

This was a post that felt like it wasn't funny enough to be town Wave. Like it's hard to explain but this post really bothered me on a visceral level and I couldn't explain why.

On February 26 2014 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 26 2014 10:19 Mocsta wrote:
On thi 26 2014 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Gumshoe just tell me now.
Am I going to have to policy lynch you for lurking this game?

If u r town I don't like at all what our doing.

Which is.
Crating an atmosphere of intimidation
If u think otherwise, surely you can admit that the above is not conducive to gleaning the alignment of gumshoe in the slightest

Gumshoe post was very reasonable and called me town for the right reasons.
Did u read a thing he wrote?

Just establishing my dominance, honey.
Yes gumshoe's post was reasonable, but also easy. It doesn't say a thing to me about yours or his alignment.
I was curious as to whether or not he'd actually be playing this game as I'm used to him either playing his heart out, or lurking like crazy.

This one struck me as odd because I've only really experienced Wave dickwaggle on voice.

On February 26 2014 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:14 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
@moc
Anything you want to discuss?
Im drafting up my issues with Suki so feedback on that would be good when its released.

As an aside/observation/muse till then, I havent read in detail the interactions between Geript/Toad/Rayn (as I have been focussed on you + Suki) however I am finding Rayns approach to Toad odd (regardless of alignment). Basically I know Rayn doesnt respect Toads town play.

Red Herring or something to keep note of?

Nah I'm generally okay with it. I don't find it alignment indicative for Rayn.

Something JJD said reminded me of something:
On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.

If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer?

In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.)
Town should always be considering all options.

I missed this post earlier but it's really subtly super super towny. He's referring to JJD's interaction with Mocsta about Mocsta phoneposting Sukmi instead of Suki where Suki responds and JJD gets in there a bit Moc. It shows that Wave is connecting various points together at once; like his mind is bouncing around instead of specifically looking for something he can latch onto. That fact is not only supertown but like super super town for WoS as well.

I could go on further to explain but there's no point in doing further right now.

Ah I think I can finally get a solid read on you.
Pop quiz, and answer this quickly.
Why is this super town for me?

I don't know if I can wholly explain why it is for you especially, but like you tend to play while reasonably distracted. So when things jog your memory they actually jog your memory instead of faking it. Like there's not any specific, how do you describe it, agenda behind it. It just is what it is.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 26 2014 20:10 GMT
#830
On February 27 2014 05:06 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 05:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
Rayn do you not think that's actually attacking gumshoe from a different perspective?
Neither you or I mentioned his read of mocsta in conjunction with that post.

Geript, am I town now? Because apparently now you may have to convince Vivax 'cause he wants to talk to you about me.

I think so. I really doubt I've shat the bed on that read, but I'm not doing your dirty work for you wubby. Talk to me about the JJD read; I still want to know what you think about him.

lol.
JJD read was based on something I remember from playing scum with him in Les; being all 'shitting from the sidelines' and whatnot, but that's meta-based and is not the only thing---there was something he posted that struck me immediately but I have to go back and find it. It also may not be as relevant due to his more recent posting.

On February 27 2014 05:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 05:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
Rayn do you not think that's actually attacking gumshoe from a different perspective?
Neither you or I mentioned his read of mocsta in conjunction with that post.

Geript, am I town now? Because apparently now you may have to convince Vivax 'cause he wants to talk to you about me.

No but it has been mentioned before. Vivax already said later on he does not want to question people for same stuff other people do and that's all i see in that post.

Can you find it? I honestly don't remember that being mentioned before, but it's possible I missed it due to the sheer volume of discussion around gumshoe.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 26 2014 20:10 GMT
#831
On February 27 2014 05:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 05:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 27 2014 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 27 2014 05:02 geript wrote:
Rayn, why are you so town on Toad?

bcz of what i have already said.

If you don't do anything real i will end up voting for you because scum want to break up people's townreads on other townies when they don't understand where they are coming for (yes, i just did that in GSL IV). Even if the read is as bullshit as you make it seem like it is in your opinion (which it isn't) it's far far more likely that it's townies who give town reads on other people based on bad reasoning at the start of the game because scum have no reason to do so.

So get over it and go do something else, right now you are tunneling someone for bullshit reasons and it makes you look bad. Even if you are right that definitely does not make Toad mafia and you are never going to convince anyone with your case. This is also something i think you would realize as town which makes me think you are even more scummy.

K Rayn I have officially decided I like you this game.
For once, just once, can we try and work shit out together?

Well i already think you are town so yes.

I want you to admit it's because of my read.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 26 2014 20:11 GMT
#832
On February 27 2014 05:10 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 05:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 27 2014 05:01 geript wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:42 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Toad are you a miller?

of course not, but I like this question. You replace WoS as my buddy to murder all of mafia. Easiest townread ever

Pshh.
That was fast.
You whore.

This was a post that felt like it wasn't funny enough to be town Wave. Like it's hard to explain but this post really bothered me on a visceral level and I couldn't explain why.

On February 26 2014 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 26 2014 10:19 Mocsta wrote:
On thi 26 2014 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Gumshoe just tell me now.
Am I going to have to policy lynch you for lurking this game?

If u r town I don't like at all what our doing.

Which is.
Crating an atmosphere of intimidation
If u think otherwise, surely you can admit that the above is not conducive to gleaning the alignment of gumshoe in the slightest

Gumshoe post was very reasonable and called me town for the right reasons.
Did u read a thing he wrote?

Just establishing my dominance, honey.
Yes gumshoe's post was reasonable, but also easy. It doesn't say a thing to me about yours or his alignment.
I was curious as to whether or not he'd actually be playing this game as I'm used to him either playing his heart out, or lurking like crazy.

This one struck me as odd because I've only really experienced Wave dickwaggle on voice.

On February 26 2014 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:14 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
@moc
Anything you want to discuss?
Im drafting up my issues with Suki so feedback on that would be good when its released.

As an aside/observation/muse till then, I havent read in detail the interactions between Geript/Toad/Rayn (as I have been focussed on you + Suki) however I am finding Rayns approach to Toad odd (regardless of alignment). Basically I know Rayn doesnt respect Toads town play.

Red Herring or something to keep note of?

Nah I'm generally okay with it. I don't find it alignment indicative for Rayn.

Something JJD said reminded me of something:
On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.

If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer?

In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.)
Town should always be considering all options.

I missed this post earlier but it's really subtly super super towny. He's referring to JJD's interaction with Mocsta about Mocsta phoneposting Sukmi instead of Suki where Suki responds and JJD gets in there a bit Moc. It shows that Wave is connecting various points together at once; like his mind is bouncing around instead of specifically looking for something he can latch onto. That fact is not only supertown but like super super town for WoS as well.

I could go on further to explain but there's no point in doing further right now.

Ah I think I can finally get a solid read on you.
Pop quiz, and answer this quickly.
Why is this super town for me?

I don't know if I can wholly explain why it is for you especially, but like you tend to play while reasonably distracted. So when things jog your memory they actually jog your memory instead of faking it. Like there's not any specific, how do you describe it, agenda behind it. It just is what it is.

What are you basing this 'distraction' thing on? How do you know?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 20:12 GMT
#833
On February 27 2014 05:10 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 05:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 27 2014 05:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 27 2014 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 27 2014 05:02 geript wrote:
Rayn, why are you so town on Toad?

bcz of what i have already said.

If you don't do anything real i will end up voting for you because scum want to break up people's townreads on other townies when they don't understand where they are coming for (yes, i just did that in GSL IV). Even if the read is as bullshit as you make it seem like it is in your opinion (which it isn't) it's far far more likely that it's townies who give town reads on other people based on bad reasoning at the start of the game because scum have no reason to do so.

So get over it and go do something else, right now you are tunneling someone for bullshit reasons and it makes you look bad. Even if you are right that definitely does not make Toad mafia and you are never going to convince anyone with your case. This is also something i think you would realize as town which makes me think you are even more scummy.

K Rayn I have officially decided I like you this game.
For once, just once, can we try and work shit out together?

Well i already think you are town so yes.

I want you to admit it's because of my read.

No it's because of the gumshoe debate where Wavi did come very townie off from.
table for two on a tv tray
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 26 2014 20:13 GMT
#834
On February 27 2014 05:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 05:10 geript wrote:
On February 27 2014 05:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 27 2014 05:01 geript wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:42 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Toad are you a miller?

of course not, but I like this question. You replace WoS as my buddy to murder all of mafia. Easiest townread ever

Pshh.
That was fast.
You whore.

This was a post that felt like it wasn't funny enough to be town Wave. Like it's hard to explain but this post really bothered me on a visceral level and I couldn't explain why.

On February 26 2014 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 26 2014 10:19 Mocsta wrote:
On thi 26 2014 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Gumshoe just tell me now.
Am I going to have to policy lynch you for lurking this game?

If u r town I don't like at all what our doing.

Which is.
Crating an atmosphere of intimidation
If u think otherwise, surely you can admit that the above is not conducive to gleaning the alignment of gumshoe in the slightest

Gumshoe post was very reasonable and called me town for the right reasons.
Did u read a thing he wrote?

Just establishing my dominance, honey.
Yes gumshoe's post was reasonable, but also easy. It doesn't say a thing to me about yours or his alignment.
I was curious as to whether or not he'd actually be playing this game as I'm used to him either playing his heart out, or lurking like crazy.

This one struck me as odd because I've only really experienced Wave dickwaggle on voice.

On February 26 2014 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:14 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
@moc
Anything you want to discuss?
Im drafting up my issues with Suki so feedback on that would be good when its released.

As an aside/observation/muse till then, I havent read in detail the interactions between Geript/Toad/Rayn (as I have been focussed on you + Suki) however I am finding Rayns approach to Toad odd (regardless of alignment). Basically I know Rayn doesnt respect Toads town play.

Red Herring or something to keep note of?

Nah I'm generally okay with it. I don't find it alignment indicative for Rayn.

Something JJD said reminded me of something:
On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.

If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer?

In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.)
Town should always be considering all options.

I missed this post earlier but it's really subtly super super towny. He's referring to JJD's interaction with Mocsta about Mocsta phoneposting Sukmi instead of Suki where Suki responds and JJD gets in there a bit Moc. It shows that Wave is connecting various points together at once; like his mind is bouncing around instead of specifically looking for something he can latch onto. That fact is not only supertown but like super super town for WoS as well.

I could go on further to explain but there's no point in doing further right now.

Ah I think I can finally get a solid read on you.
Pop quiz, and answer this quickly.
Why is this super town for me?

I don't know if I can wholly explain why it is for you especially, but like you tend to play while reasonably distracted. So when things jog your memory they actually jog your memory instead of faking it. Like there's not any specific, how do you describe it, agenda behind it. It just is what it is.

What are you basing this 'distraction' thing on? How do you know?

Wife, kid, school/clinical stuff etc.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 26 2014 20:14 GMT
#835
On February 27 2014 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 05:10 geript wrote:
On February 27 2014 05:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 27 2014 05:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 27 2014 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 27 2014 05:02 geript wrote:
Rayn, why are you so town on Toad?

bcz of what i have already said.

If you don't do anything real i will end up voting for you because scum want to break up people's townreads on other townies when they don't understand where they are coming for (yes, i just did that in GSL IV). Even if the read is as bullshit as you make it seem like it is in your opinion (which it isn't) it's far far more likely that it's townies who give town reads on other people based on bad reasoning at the start of the game because scum have no reason to do so.

So get over it and go do something else, right now you are tunneling someone for bullshit reasons and it makes you look bad. Even if you are right that definitely does not make Toad mafia and you are never going to convince anyone with your case. This is also something i think you would realize as town which makes me think you are even more scummy.

K Rayn I have officially decided I like you this game.
For once, just once, can we try and work shit out together?

Well i already think you are town so yes.

I want you to admit it's because of my read.

No it's because of the gumshoe debate where Wavi did come very townie off from.

I am disappoint.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 20:15 GMT
#836
Wave here, this is basically the exact same thing:
On February 26 2014 11:42 JarJarDrinks wrote:
[..]
But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched.

Like I think u've been acting kinda scummy mostly because of ur suki read. But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case.

..than this:
On February 26 2014 16:18 Vivax wrote:
What I don't like about this post is that he can't simply say what he thinks about suki, but feels like has to put a Mocsta townread in front of it.

That reads to me like he feels pressured to overjustify for picking a side in the debate, which is something I could see scum doing in a town vs. town argument, after all you're always painfully aware that what you say just isn't right, so you need to create a story. And this looks like a story, the story of how you think suki could be scum ONLY after thinking that mocsta is town, which is something I don't see townies do at D1.
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JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 20:18 GMT
#837
What are you saying w/ that post rayn? I'm pretty sure Vivax isn't talking about me there.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22102 Posts
February 26 2014 20:18 GMT
#838
On February 27 2014 05:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
Where did I say I thought Chyz was scummy?
I said the pressure on him is interesting and as he is an important topic I should look into him.
You seem to be avoiding it specifically.


Yes, where did you say anything alignment-related about Chyz? I didn't say that you claimed to find him scummy, I said that you are guilty of your own accusation, since you have been avoiding the matter yourself.

I would understand if somebody found me suspicious cause I was avoiding talking about one of his scumspects.

But in this case, you attacked me for "avoiding" (I actually did give my opinion on his alignment) without you formerly showing particular interest into him, which is something that makes no sense from townie perspective, since you shouldn't be really suspicious of people avoiding guys you didn't form an opinion on yet.

That wouldn't have been inherently scummy if you actually had taken a hard stance in the issue (like JJD) before attacking me for that, cause that would have warranted your particular interest in hearing of him from other people (an interest so particular that it raises your suspicion), allowing to elaborate the information in light of your own judgement about Chyz.

Besides, how can you draw the line between avoiding and not showing interest into somebody? Saying that I avoid somebody already puts the premise there that what I do is supposed to be scummy, which reflects a possible agenda to paint me as scummy.

On February 27 2014 05:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oh this post. Vivax:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444078&currentpage=32#621

In this post you question gumshoe about things i think either he, or someone else has already answered. Did you even read the big me/Wave/gumshoe discussion? Like, i don't see anything in that post that is not answered already.


No, I didn't read all of it at that point. I just found that post scummy and wrote the points right off the bat.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 26 2014 20:19 GMT
#839
Yeah I'm reading JJD right now. It's sort of the same thing I guess but Vivax goes into specific detail while JJD simply just goes off of gumshoe's sentiment at the time. You are right though it's not completely novel and so now I feel better about being suspicious of Vivax.

Can you read into JJD a little for me?
He flip-flops around a lot on Mocsta which I actually find decently townie, but the problem is throughout his posting, his reads look as though they're echoing wherever he guesses thread sentiment to be going at the time. He also says he agrees with my sentiment (the post you and I argued about forever) but never comments on it beyond that point or expands; you'd think that a comment on his strongest scumread at the time would warrant a little more.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 26 2014 20:21 GMT
#840
Ugh and geript's answer didn't give me as much as I'd hoped it would.
Every game geript acts as though he knows me and what I do and he is always always wrong; trouble is I'm pretty sure he is wrong as both alignments.
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