EPTIt isn't like the guy is saying "I disagree with some of the decisions he makes I feel like X" etc where constructive criticism is the case I'm fine with that. But people coming around here to just say "X PLAYER FUCKING SUCKS" or "X PLAYER CAN'T WIN EVER" it's fucking pointless and bad.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
It isn't like the guy is saying "I disagree with some of the decisions he makes I feel like X" etc where constructive criticism is the case I'm fine with that. But people coming around here to just say "X PLAYER FUCKING SUCKS" or "X PLAYER CAN'T WIN EVER" it's fucking pointless and bad. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
Looks like boxxah is seiging up in LZs nat. Never a good thing lol. Edit: LZ loses after both his expos are rolled over by tanks. 2-0 nrg. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On October 27 2010 10:45 {88}iNcontroL wrote: it isn't a question of being "as good" it's a question of HOW BAD the people are that sit around and act as negatively as these people do. Do you see PainUser trolling up clan war threads? How about qxc walking around calling people pathetically bad? Nope... odd trend for no name nubs to do in clan war threads though. You're right there is definitely no place for people being negative, shit talking retards but that's the internet. I guess I was surprised to see you bring it up given your attitude on SOTG. Don't take offense to that, I love the SOTG and I'm a fan of your antics 99.9% of the time. The major players likely don't talk as much shit publically due to anonymity reasons. Nobody knows the random troll accounts or no name flamers on forums. However, most 'famous' players (I'd imagine) would prefer to be well liked on the internets in their community since they are actual recognizable figures. I know when I was a former sponsored LAN player in FPS (TFC 3rd place @ CPL :D) my team would talk MAD shit about other top teams, just not so much publically. I'd imagine it's the same with the SC/SC2 teams. Anyway, it's smart to be mindful of what you say when you're in the spotlight but then you have IdrA,  . | ||
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ZpuX
Sweden1230 Posts
On October 27 2010 10:42 crms wrote: oh shit you have to be as good as the person you're criticizing? I'll let ESPN, AM/FM radio, and analysts around the world know this is the case, thanks for the update. You kind of miss the point. Most of the expert commentators and analysts are former players of very high skill level or people who have been involved closely with the sport since very very young age. The people you see here complaining are just random no-names with basically no prior skill or knowledge to justify their judgment/argument. | ||
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iNcontroL
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Xeris
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On October 27 2010 10:45 {88}iNcontroL wrote: it isn't a question of being "as good" it's a question of HOW BAD the people are that sit around and act as negatively as these people do. Do you see PainUser trolling up clan war threads? How about qxc walking around calling people pathetically bad? Nope... odd trend for no name nubs to do in clan war threads though. Honestly don't try to justify your earlier comment. You're pissed that people are being dicks to you, yeah, we get it, it's justified, they were being dicks and you should call them out on that, but don't try to pretend that saying and out comes the random dick ass comments haha isn't totally hypocritical given your defense of your criticism of Select on SotG."Oh hey look a clan war thread.. I'm going to go in there and shit on some guys I couldn't take 1 game in 30 off of!" | ||
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NrG.NeverExpo
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On October 27 2010 11:01 ZpuX wrote: You kind of miss the point. Most of the expert commentators and analysts are former players of very high skill level or people who have been involved closely with the sport since very very young age. The people you see here complaining are just random no-names with basically no prior skill or knowledge to justify their judgment/argument. No i got the point, I was pretty much fucking around with him. I had the opportunity to address a progamer and it felt SO GOOD. I also disagree with your post, I'd say the vast majority of sports radio/tv talk show hosts etc. don't have any professional athletic experience. I think thats a fairly good analogy to random people on teamliquid who follow starcraft. The difference is I agree with incontrol there is constructive criticism ie 'he shouldn't have opened 15 hatch when he saw 10 gateway" and "holy shit this guy fucking blows he can never win." the latter unfortunately is what happens in almost all of these threads. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On October 27 2010 11:03 motbob wrote: Honestly don't try to justify your earlier comment. You're pissed that people are being dicks to you, yeah, we get it, it's justified, they were being dicks and you should call them out on that, but don't try to pretend that saying isn't totally hypocritical given your defense of your criticism of Select on SotG. Motbob you are retarded lol Criticizing someone's play IS 100% exactly what I JUST THIS THREAD said was fine. It was as fucking constructive as it gets. If I said "LOLOLOL SELECT SUCKS" I would be doing what that comment says. jesus fucking christ I shouldn't reply to this trash but I can't help it. | ||
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NaW-Runa
Sweden85 Posts
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On October 27 2010 11:02 {88}iNcontroL wrote: blaming it on smurf accounts or anonymity issues is hog wash man. They don't do it because they aren't as dumb as the people that spend their time doing that. I don't think anonymity is the only reason but are you saying EG doesn't talk shit about other teams or players on vent/irc etc? Maybe RTS clans are WAY more respectful than FPS clans. We used to come up with entire strategies based on our opponents 'terrible' players and mercilessly make fun of them in our private channels/vents. | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
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NrG.NeverExpo
Canada2114 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
Please PM me if you want to discuss the nuances of shit talking publicly vs privately. I don't want to completely derail this thread any further. | ||
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FrodaN
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
3-0 nrg. | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On October 27 2010 11:07 {88}iNcontroL wrote: Motbob you are retarded lol Criticizing someone's play IS 100% exactly what I JUST THIS THREAD said was fine. It was as fucking constructive as it gets. If I said "LOLOLOL SELECT SUCKS" I would be doing what that comment says. jesus fucking christ I shouldn't reply to this trash but I can't help it. I totally agree! There is a distinction between putting players down and providing constructive criticism, BUT you made that distinction irrelevant when you made that first comment. Let me explain. Would it be OK if Huk or some other top player came into this thread to bash on EG players without providing any kind of constructive criticism? Of course not! It's not valid for anyone to do that, no matter how good they are. But you centered your first post around the fact that the dude doing the criticism was probably a shitty player. You attacked the messenger, not the message and people reading that post are naturally gonna be like "wow incontrol criticized this dude for daring to have an opinion cause he's bad at Starcraft, isn't that what he said was a shitty thing to do in SotG?" If you hadn't used an ad hominem attack there wouldn't even be any discussion about this. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On October 27 2010 08:18 CrY. wrote: EG's CW lineup usually consists of "hey are you available at 7 pm?" "yeah i think i wont be busy" "cool can i put you in the lineup" "sure" edit: holyshit CrY is on NRG? He's good friends with my cousin lol Hi, who is your cousin? no one mind ahhboxxah, hes just passionate. thx for support, also im from japan ~ I'll PM you | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
really impressed with ahhboxahh's play so far. | ||
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