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Wilczy
Profile Joined June 2010
Poland17 Posts
August 01 2010 19:21 GMT
#61
Why there's no MAGIKARP here? WHY?
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-01 19:39:35
August 01 2010 19:38 GMT
#62
On August 02 2010 04:02 Mindcrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2010 03:53 swanized wrote:
On August 02 2010 03:29 champignones wrote:
i never really liked this rank, and i am not a flash fan or anything, its just i am more based on Kespa rankings to determine anything anyways, but either way i agree flash is loosing focus and jaedong is gaining territory just hope these two dont clash anytime soon, cause it will be "War of the fanboyism".



well the problem is that this is a monthly ranking and Kespa rankings are anything but monthly^^



month·ly (mnthl)
adj.
1. Occurring, appearing, or coming due every month: a monthly meeting; monthly rent payments.
2. Continuing or lasting for a month.
adv.
Once a month; every month.
n. pl. month·lies
1. A periodical publication appearing once each month.
2. monthlies Informal The menses.

kespa rankings are monthly



Kespa rankings are PUBLISHED monthly but they take into account stuff that happened a LOT before last month. which is not the power rank's case

now I agree that if listening to the dictionnary I am wrong but you understood what I meant by that right?
Writer
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4838 Posts
August 01 2010 19:42 GMT
#63
On August 02 2010 03:53 Vasoline73 wrote:
Effort is terrible vs mech and against meching Flash..

Just watch their game on Destination.

In general don't mind the rank though. Jaedong does look scarier than Flash

That was back when Destination was in the map pool. A long time ago.

You can't really use that as a reflection of the current state of Effort's play, whether or not he's currently bad vs. mech.
My strategy is to fork people.
Blixy213
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States360 Posts
August 01 2010 19:44 GMT
#64
Finally, the true king, (Jeadong) has taken the throne.

Looking forward to Skyhigh taking a spot on the Power Rank, I don't know if I think Fantasy should be number 3, maybe 5. Bisu has been like a wrecking ball, I would switch the two, but that's my personal opinion.

Great Power Rank this cycle!
#1 sKyHigh and MorroW fan. "Should have stayed in the bush, bush reaper."
khellian
Profile Joined February 2010
Korea (South)922 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-01 19:48:24
August 01 2010 19:46 GMT
#65
All in all a very good rank Plexa, agree with almost all of it! Like last month Flash/Jaedong is controversal and can swing either way. Seeing that you are consisten in your judgements though I will say that it is correct for the PR that JD i #1 now and Flash #2, taking in to account the resoning and positions last month. Would have liked to see HiyA mentionen though, really feel he deserves it. Really glad to se Bisu climbing, hopefully he can fix his PvT and really challange for the top spots in the near future!
DemiSe
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
883 Posts
August 01 2010 20:01 GMT
#66
Jaedong finally rises from the shadows of Flash.
Bisu is closing in on the top 3! Go Bisu Go!
Let's See Who's Stronger, Your Tricks, Or My Skills.
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
August 01 2010 20:02 GMT
#67
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

End of last month JD fans were still bitching about his mistreatment, and now a lot of ardent JD supporters think he should be below Flash.



Really the Ranks 1/2 situation is a toss up. Getting to see Flash vs ForGG in their upcoming TvT series is going to be the real test and should be very telling. There's no reason to believe that Flash is weakened in either TvP or TvZ. The question we need answered is: were Flash's recent TvT losses just blips in the road, or a sure sign that he's worked out and that his reign is over?

JD has been strong across the board, but i don't see him as unbeatable in any match, including ZvP. His series against Kal was not the spectacular rape I expected and although Kal seemed more like the Kal of old, let's face it: Kal has been struggling for the past 3 months or so. In ZvZ, we now have Effort within spitting distance. And in ZvT, we have several players who I think have good odds against him.

The real test for JD is going to come soon as well: I've been hypothesizing for months that a meeting between JD and Light would result in a victory for Light. Historically, Light is 5 wins 7 losses against JD and recently Light's TvZ has looked better than ever for the past 6 months or so. Since the start of Winner's League, Light has gone 20 wins and 2 losses vs Zerg (a whopping 91 percent wins). Sea's TvZ looks almost as strong. And I've been hypothesizing over the past 2-3 months that Effort's ZvZ is every bit as strong as JD's and capable of pulling a victory. Effort is now within spitting distance of JD in ZvZ ELO.



This bracket for MSL almost seems to have me in mind: it will reveal a lot about both Flash and Jaedong.




Regarding the rest of the PR:

Unless you're counting last night's games (which I didn't see), I don't know why Fantasy is still third. Yes he won over Effort, but I'm inclined to say that Effort is the only player in the world who can safely say that he is able to challenge the dominance of Flash and Jaedong in any match-up. Be careful if you want to argue with me on this: I am not saying that Effort is better. Flash and Jaedong are both more "well-rounded." But Effort at his strongest is every bit as strong as these two. When I look at Jaedong's play, I always compare it to Effort in any match-up. When I look at Flash's TvZ, I always ask, "How would Effort have played that?"

In my mind, Effort is the indisputable #3.

Sea/Fantasy is a toss up. Both of them had the most difficult match lists imaginable (they both had more difficult opponents than either Flash or Jaedong last month). If I could, I'd consider ranking them both for a tie at #4.

The rest of the top 10 looks okay except I think Hiya should have been considered. Speaking of which where is Hiya in at the very least CBNC? Over the past 2 months he is 14 wins and 6 losses. Okay, he dropped out of MSL, but he has a very good chance of progressing in OSL despite having remaining games against Flash and Zero. Hiya is 18 wins and 8 losses in TvT in 2010 (averaging 70% wins). He's not the TvT pushover he used to be. And his TvZ may not be S-class, but it's very stable.

I wouldn't have put Kal in the CBNC. He has once or twice showed us a glimmer of who he used to be, but his results have been mediocre on the whole.

And Baby? Why is he being mentioned? Yes he's talented, but he's been playing like suck. If Baby had played this month like he was playing 2-3 months ago, then WeMade would have had a good shot to advance. Instead he was practically a free win for MBC. A player who has only 1 win in his last 10 games should not be anywhere near the Power Rank.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
Z3kk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4099 Posts
August 01 2010 20:09 GMT
#68
Nice rank, Plexa (I just NOW realized that you were the creator of the Power Ranks since I'd never bothered to click on comments, and you mentioned yourself in the rank this time )!

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Failure is not falling down over and over again. Failure is refusing to get back up.
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
August 01 2010 20:12 GMT
#69
On August 02 2010 02:55 Yxes2211 wrote:
The CNBC for Stats was hilarious and dude i totally agree. HOW COULD HE CANCEL STORM D:



yeah, it's one of the thing that annoys me about stats, being an irrational fanboy of his i watch more or less all his games and he's usually extremely solid in all matchups but occasionally does really stupid shit that loses him matches instantly, be it cancelling storm, being late with cannons, or storming your own templars rather than the other guy's reavers.
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
August 01 2010 20:22 GMT
#70
On August 02 2010 04:21 Wilczy wrote:
Why there's no MAGIKARP here? WHY?

Awesome first post
And yeah Plexa Magikarp karp karp T_T
splish splash
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
p14c
Profile Joined May 2010
Vatican City State431 Posts
August 01 2010 20:46 GMT
#71
Flash vT and vZ has been "solved" but he will still reach both finals. You're contradicting yourself here Plexa. Its either black or white. If Flash has been "solved" then he will not reach semifinals! Flash was in a mini-slump. He was dropping games to all races, hell it was even beaten with carriers (a thing almost impossible a few months ago). The next 2 weeks will show if Flash has recovered from the slump.
BTW: Flash strategy is not only turtling! He can cheese, he can do timing pushes, he can use mech vZ, he can attack with Valkyries and M&M etc. Its not that easy to "solve" Flash strategy! Lets not forget about 14cc. Not many Terran players can pull off a 14cc!
Game Over, Man! Game Over!
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2750 Posts
August 01 2010 20:46 GMT
#72
This is looking more and more like a top 10 last 2 years ^^ pretty neat
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
August 01 2010 21:13 GMT
#73
Just because it's interesting, I decided to share this:

ELO ranking (current top 15):
1. Flash (PR 2)
2. Jaedong (PR 1)
3. Effort (PR 4)
4. Fantasy (PR 3)
5. Sea (PR 5)
6. Free (PR 9)
7. Bisu (PR 6)
8. Stork (PR 7)
9. Roro (CBNC)
10. Hiya (No love for Magikarp)
11. Leta
12. Light (PR 8)
13. Best (PR 10)
14. ForGG
15. Kwanro (kwanroll.......lol? still top 15?)

This is probably the closest we've ever had between ELO and PR, huh?
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
pimp_stick
Profile Joined March 2009
United States17 Posts
August 01 2010 21:44 GMT
#74
Bisu's PvT has been absolutely appalling
You always fear what you dont understand
Optimator
Profile Joined January 2010
United States53 Posts
August 01 2010 21:58 GMT
#75
I hope Leta makes a good showing and climbs back onto the list.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
August 01 2010 22:27 GMT
#76
You know, I think I get it, Plexa has sort of a two month ranking style. He takes the current month and last month and weighs them pretty equally together. It makes sense, the wording is there in his descriptions, so that's fine I guess. It made for Flash being guaranteed #1 last month (If you count both months last month then yeah, 3-0), and it makes a close race this month with Jaedong being better last month and Flash being better or atleast similar this month.
Remember Violet.
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-01 22:39:13
August 01 2010 22:34 GMT
#77
That jaedong vs sea game on fortress shows just how awesome his Zvt is. The one on dreamliner? Well....DON'T BE SO DAM STUBBORN SOMETIMES JAEDONG

Btw don't be too defensive about putting Flash second instead of first . I would have put him fantasy and effort to be honest. He's just not getting results, especially in TvT, and with like 7 ace matches in a row blown, i don't see how this decision is the least bit controversial. Its a monthly power rank, and jaedong had the better month plain and simple
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
August 01 2010 22:43 GMT
#78
On August 02 2010 07:34 SubtleArt wrote:
That jaedong vs sea game on fortress shows just how awesome his Zvt is. The one on dreamliner? Well....DON'T BE SO DAM STUBBORN SOMETIMES JAEDONG

Btw don't be too defensive about putting Flash second instead of first . I would have put him fantasy and effort to be honest. He's just not getting results, especially in TvT, and with like 7 ace matches in a row blown, i don't see how this decision is the least bit controversial. Its a monthly power rank, and jaedong had the better month plain and simple


You're completely right. He is just in quarterfinals in MSL is 1:0 in his group in OSL and he is in the playoff finals with KT. He definitely doesn't deliver anymore...
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
August 01 2010 22:49 GMT
#79
On August 02 2010 07:43 Lebesgue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2010 07:34 SubtleArt wrote:
That jaedong vs sea game on fortress shows just how awesome his Zvt is. The one on dreamliner? Well....DON'T BE SO DAM STUBBORN SOMETIMES JAEDONG

Btw don't be too defensive about putting Flash second instead of first . I would have put him fantasy and effort to be honest. He's just not getting results, especially in TvT, and with like 7 ace matches in a row blown, i don't see how this decision is the least bit controversial. Its a monthly power rank, and jaedong had the better month plain and simple


You're completely right. He is just in quarterfinals in MSL is 1:0 in his group in OSL and he is in the playoff finals with KT. He definitely doesn't deliver anymore...


0-7 in his last 7 ace matches...no he is NOT playing up to his expectations and delivering the way the best player in the game should be. The last 2 months flash's record has barely been above 50%. For that he doesn't deserve to be #1. Is he still playing very well? Duh. Is he still amazing? Yea. Is he winning as much as you would expect the #1 player to? No. That's what counts in a monthly power ranking.

Also, this round KT won their only sets without him so I don't see how him being in the finals is particularly relevant right now.
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
August 01 2010 22:59 GMT
#80
On August 02 2010 07:49 SubtleArt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2010 07:43 Lebesgue wrote:
On August 02 2010 07:34 SubtleArt wrote:
That jaedong vs sea game on fortress shows just how awesome his Zvt is. The one on dreamliner? Well....DON'T BE SO DAM STUBBORN SOMETIMES JAEDONG

Btw don't be too defensive about putting Flash second instead of first . I would have put him fantasy and effort to be honest. He's just not getting results, especially in TvT, and with like 7 ace matches in a row blown, i don't see how this decision is the least bit controversial. Its a monthly power rank, and jaedong had the better month plain and simple


You're completely right. He is just in quarterfinals in MSL is 1:0 in his group in OSL and he is in the playoff finals with KT. He definitely doesn't deliver anymore...


0-7 in his last 7 ace matches...no he is NOT playing up to his expectations and delivering the way the best player in the game should be. The last 2 months flash's record has barely been above 50%. For that he doesn't deserve to be #1. Is he still playing very well? Duh. Is he still amazing? Yea. Is he winning as much as you would expect the #1 player to? No. That's what counts in a monthly power ranking.

Also, this round KT won their only sets without him so I don't see how him being in the finals is particularly relevant right now.


It's relevant since he's been delivering when he needed to so far. I'm OK with Jaedong being no1 but Flash shouldn't be any lower than no2. Though I have to admit that personally I would have switched the ordering of Flash and Jaedong. Anyway, the next month will show who of those two is really better.
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