• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 20:04
CEST 02:04
KST 09:04
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 220ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7
Community News
MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon315.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes38Weekly Cups (June 22-28): Zergs thrive in new patch5[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation05.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)99
StarCraft 2
General
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2 5.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes IP For new Brazil servers for NA Players Server Blocker Weekly Cups (June 22-28): Zergs thrive in new patch
Tourneys
Vespene Cup #1 — $300+ USD, July 10 HomeStory Cup 29 Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery Mutation # 530 One For All
Brood War
General
ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool Snow On New ASL S22 Map, Zerg Nerf BW General Discussion Farewell Beloved Starcraft (Youtube Videos) FlaShFTW vs A.Alm Grudge Match Event
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 The Casual Games of the Week Thread [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Grand Finals
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Summer Games Done Quick 2026! ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
Five o'clock TL Mafia NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Men's Fashion Thread
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Listen To The Coaches!
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 4934 users

F91 Out of TSL - Page 4

Forum Index > TSL2 Forum
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
December 12 2009 01:50 GMT
#61
Damn, it saddens me to hear this, he was one of the players i was looking forward to following during the playoffs.
We make signature, then defense it.
iloahz
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States964 Posts
December 12 2009 01:53 GMT
#62
So it still remains unknown whether idra has improved enough to take on f91.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
December 12 2009 01:53 GMT
#63
yeah so i heard china has esports teams and leagues kinda like korea that are so demanding that a chinese player doesnt even have time to play 200 games in 3 weeks for a $23k event
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
zimz
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States510 Posts
December 12 2009 01:53 GMT
#64
it seems chinese players improve with older age unlike the korean scene where older = get worst. the chinese players like PJ seem to b still improving.
zimz
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
December 12 2009 01:54 GMT
#65
I'm glad everything in TSL is handled with so much maturity.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
December 12 2009 01:58 GMT
#66
On December 12 2009 10:53 Liquid`NonY wrote:
yeah so i heard china has esports teams and leagues kinda like korea that are so demanding that a chinese player doesnt even have time to play 200 games in 3 weeks for a $23k event


Seriously. Hows that mouse working or did you not get it yet? Im thinking about getting it.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
s_86
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States191 Posts
December 12 2009 01:58 GMT
#67
Before losing 3 games to TSL-Castro, he was at 10330, putting him around 12th place.
After losing 3 games to TSL-Castro, he was at 9910 pts, bringing him down to around 20th place.
I'm guessing a combination of losing about 8 places to TSL-Castro, and having the pressure to have to climb 8 places in 24 hours caused it.
It is interesting that he let 3 of the 6 games be under 5 minutes long, one game he lost, and one game was like 45 minutes.
Here is his Match List: http://www.iccup.com/matchlist/876823/1x1.html

I really hate cheaters, but I really feel for this guy. The pressure of having to qualify top 12 (even though that's his own fault), and having people avoid you? That sucks...

I'm getting the feeling people avoided him because they were scared of him. His matches are mostly against Koreans, so his rating means more than the rating of someone who has been dodging Koreans. This is a shame.
iloahz
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States964 Posts
December 12 2009 01:58 GMT
#68
On December 12 2009 10:53 zimz wrote:
it seems chinese players improve with older age unlike the korean scene where older = get worst. the chinese players like PJ seem to b still improving.


I'm sure the older Koreans still improve. It's just that the younger ones improve at a much faster rate and older players can't keep up. But PJ does seem to improve quite fast despite being one of the oldest players around.
R0YAL
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1768 Posts
December 12 2009 01:59 GMT
#69
im sad that i wont be able to watch F91 play now, i was really looking forward to it :'(
even though what he did was wrong its good that he fessed up for what he did
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
December 12 2009 02:08 GMT
#70
I really don't blame F91 for cheating because it really was his only option at that point. Yes it was wrong, but what else could he have done. Sad.
ericyang
Profile Joined September 2007
China21 Posts
December 12 2009 02:11 GMT
#71
Being a chinese, F91 should not take part in a "no korean no chinese" league at the beginning. Now it's a really "no korean no chinese" league and absolutely sure there is no korean or chinese can win this. Well, great league, good game, foreigner gosu.
gg/gl
Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
December 12 2009 02:11 GMT
#72
What was it that talked about how the pro Chinese players dont relaly 'fit in' with the other foreigners? I think it was ret or IdrA in the Artosis interview.

Thought of that when I read this (not that other foreigners dont cheat).

Sucks for him but meh, shoulda just took it like a man imo.
Commentaries: youtube.com/HuskyStarcraft
bEsT[Alive]
Profile Joined July 2009
606 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-12 02:17:52
December 12 2009 02:16 GMT
#73
There is no excuse for cheating. At least the top 48 will be thrilled by this.

F91 blew an awesome opportunity.

On December 12 2009 10:53 Liquid`NonY wrote:
yeah so i heard china has esports teams and leagues kinda like korea that are so demanding that a chinese player doesnt even have time to play 200 games in 3 weeks for a $23k event


NonY, you always know how to bring a smile to my face. Gold.
If you obey all the rules you miss all the fun - Katharine Hepburn
Kong John
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark1020 Posts
December 12 2009 02:18 GMT
#74
Aww man i had looked so much forward to a Idra f91 rematch oh well, guess bridge building between foreign scene and chinese scene will happen some other way..
This is real life, where nerds must battle!
mysticism
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada124 Posts
December 12 2009 02:19 GMT
#75
... wow fucking gay
ericyang
Profile Joined September 2007
China21 Posts
December 12 2009 02:19 GMT
#76
And in this shitty ladder thing, what's the definition of CHEATING?
gg/gl
dekuschrub
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2069 Posts
December 12 2009 02:22 GMT
#77
that sucks... guess the pressure really got to him

F91 was lookin oh so sexy though . oh well. at least he owned up to it, and he does deserve to be out.
zimz
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States510 Posts
December 12 2009 02:23 GMT
#78
On December 12 2009 11:19 ericyang wrote:
And in this shitty ladder thing, what's the definition of CHEATING?

f91 and ash is ashamed what happened. so what are you arguing about
zimz
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
December 12 2009 02:23 GMT
#79
he should've just been happy with top48 and not been doing such a thing to get into top12.

He's such a good player he would've advanced fairly easy anyway but whats done is done sadly
zimz
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States510 Posts
December 12 2009 02:24 GMT
#80
so true he will easily advance to the later rounds anyway. sad.
zimz
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
Crank Gathers S4: Qualifiers
CranKy Ducklings15
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech135
FoxeR 97
Nina 94
Counter-Strike
summit1g11935
Fnx 1080
Coldzera 846
Other Games
FrodaN3438
PiGStarcraft512
byalli421
ViBE231
KnowMe178
ArmadaUGS124
UpATreeSC56
JuggernautJason19
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream164
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta49
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP16
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21122
League of Legends
• Scarra1521
Upcoming Events
HomeStory Cup
11h 26m
OSC
12h 56m
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
CrankTV Team League
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
[ Show More ]
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Snow vs Jaedong
YSC vs hero
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S3: W1
Douyu Cup 2026
Murky Cup 2026

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
SCTL 2026 Spring
HSC XXIX
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W2
ASL Season 22:Wild Card Qualifier
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Eternal Conflict S2 E2
Heroes Pulsing #3
Eternal Conflict S2 E1
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.