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grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
December 12 2009 01:50 GMT
#61
Damn, it saddens me to hear this, he was one of the players i was looking forward to following during the playoffs.
We make signature, then defense it.
iloahz
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States964 Posts
December 12 2009 01:53 GMT
#62
So it still remains unknown whether idra has improved enough to take on f91.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
December 12 2009 01:53 GMT
#63
yeah so i heard china has esports teams and leagues kinda like korea that are so demanding that a chinese player doesnt even have time to play 200 games in 3 weeks for a $23k event
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
zimz
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States510 Posts
December 12 2009 01:53 GMT
#64
it seems chinese players improve with older age unlike the korean scene where older = get worst. the chinese players like PJ seem to b still improving.
zimz
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
December 12 2009 01:54 GMT
#65
I'm glad everything in TSL is handled with so much maturity.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
December 12 2009 01:58 GMT
#66
On December 12 2009 10:53 Liquid`NonY wrote:
yeah so i heard china has esports teams and leagues kinda like korea that are so demanding that a chinese player doesnt even have time to play 200 games in 3 weeks for a $23k event


Seriously. Hows that mouse working or did you not get it yet? Im thinking about getting it.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
s_86
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States191 Posts
December 12 2009 01:58 GMT
#67
Before losing 3 games to TSL-Castro, he was at 10330, putting him around 12th place.
After losing 3 games to TSL-Castro, he was at 9910 pts, bringing him down to around 20th place.
I'm guessing a combination of losing about 8 places to TSL-Castro, and having the pressure to have to climb 8 places in 24 hours caused it.
It is interesting that he let 3 of the 6 games be under 5 minutes long, one game he lost, and one game was like 45 minutes.
Here is his Match List: http://www.iccup.com/matchlist/876823/1x1.html

I really hate cheaters, but I really feel for this guy. The pressure of having to qualify top 12 (even though that's his own fault), and having people avoid you? That sucks...

I'm getting the feeling people avoided him because they were scared of him. His matches are mostly against Koreans, so his rating means more than the rating of someone who has been dodging Koreans. This is a shame.
iloahz
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States964 Posts
December 12 2009 01:58 GMT
#68
On December 12 2009 10:53 zimz wrote:
it seems chinese players improve with older age unlike the korean scene where older = get worst. the chinese players like PJ seem to b still improving.


I'm sure the older Koreans still improve. It's just that the younger ones improve at a much faster rate and older players can't keep up. But PJ does seem to improve quite fast despite being one of the oldest players around.
R0YAL
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1768 Posts
December 12 2009 01:59 GMT
#69
im sad that i wont be able to watch F91 play now, i was really looking forward to it :'(
even though what he did was wrong its good that he fessed up for what he did
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
December 12 2009 02:08 GMT
#70
I really don't blame F91 for cheating because it really was his only option at that point. Yes it was wrong, but what else could he have done. Sad.
ericyang
Profile Joined September 2007
China21 Posts
December 12 2009 02:11 GMT
#71
Being a chinese, F91 should not take part in a "no korean no chinese" league at the beginning. Now it's a really "no korean no chinese" league and absolutely sure there is no korean or chinese can win this. Well, great league, good game, foreigner gosu.
gg/gl
Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
December 12 2009 02:11 GMT
#72
What was it that talked about how the pro Chinese players dont relaly 'fit in' with the other foreigners? I think it was ret or IdrA in the Artosis interview.

Thought of that when I read this (not that other foreigners dont cheat).

Sucks for him but meh, shoulda just took it like a man imo.
Commentaries: youtube.com/HuskyStarcraft
bEsT[Alive]
Profile Joined July 2009
606 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-12 02:17:52
December 12 2009 02:16 GMT
#73
There is no excuse for cheating. At least the top 48 will be thrilled by this.

F91 blew an awesome opportunity.

On December 12 2009 10:53 Liquid`NonY wrote:
yeah so i heard china has esports teams and leagues kinda like korea that are so demanding that a chinese player doesnt even have time to play 200 games in 3 weeks for a $23k event


NonY, you always know how to bring a smile to my face. Gold.
If you obey all the rules you miss all the fun - Katharine Hepburn
Kong John
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark1020 Posts
December 12 2009 02:18 GMT
#74
Aww man i had looked so much forward to a Idra f91 rematch oh well, guess bridge building between foreign scene and chinese scene will happen some other way..
This is real life, where nerds must battle!
mysticism
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada124 Posts
December 12 2009 02:19 GMT
#75
... wow fucking gay
ericyang
Profile Joined September 2007
China21 Posts
December 12 2009 02:19 GMT
#76
And in this shitty ladder thing, what's the definition of CHEATING?
gg/gl
dekuschrub
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2069 Posts
December 12 2009 02:22 GMT
#77
that sucks... guess the pressure really got to him

F91 was lookin oh so sexy though . oh well. at least he owned up to it, and he does deserve to be out.
zimz
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States510 Posts
December 12 2009 02:23 GMT
#78
On December 12 2009 11:19 ericyang wrote:
And in this shitty ladder thing, what's the definition of CHEATING?

f91 and ash is ashamed what happened. so what are you arguing about
zimz
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
December 12 2009 02:23 GMT
#79
he should've just been happy with top48 and not been doing such a thing to get into top12.

He's such a good player he would've advanced fairly easy anyway but whats done is done sadly
zimz
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States510 Posts
December 12 2009 02:24 GMT
#80
so true he will easily advance to the later rounds anyway. sad.
zimz
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