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raynpelikoneet
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Koshi
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On December 18 2013 00:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's not the point. I asked you what did we learn. You said the ambulance radio was far more useful than police radio would have been. What did we learn? How was the item useful? This is so stupid to discuss rayn. You fucking tell me "Koshi invent Police Radio or we lynch you". I try my fucking best to please you and unless you can prove to me that Ambulance radio is less useful than Police radio you should not blame me for that invention. If you would have said. Make a DT item and then I make the Ambulance radio I would admit that I was wrong. But you asked me to make Police radio and I made something better. Probably still bad but this had potential. Like knowing somebody got a lot of damage and than healers got heal that guy, or protect that guy. Like Ticklish could have easily been protected by Risen/soniv and maybe Ticklish could have healed himself up. But that didn't happen. | ||
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justanothertownie
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Koshi
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So your 900 this night is actually possible. Maybe 100 too low but I guess it's ok. Also nobody claimed damage except me, so unless they did around 200 on supersoft and now I fakeclaim that before I was 100% that there was lantarn play I should not be discussed too heavy tbh. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On December 18 2013 00:08 Koshi wrote: This is so stupid to discuss rayn. You fucking tell me "Koshi invent Police Radio or we lynch you". I try my fucking best to please you and unless you can prove to me that Ambulance radio is less useful than Police radio you should not blame me for that invention. If you would have said. Make a DT item and then I make the Ambulance radio I would admit that I was wrong. But you asked me to make Police radio and I made something better. Probably still bad but this had potential. Like knowing somebody got a lot of damage and than healers got heal that guy, or protect that guy. Like Ticklish could have easily been protected by Risen/soniv and maybe Ticklish could have healed himself up. But that didn't happen. So if you think this is what we learned why have you never brought that up before? JAT yes, he has been pretty useless this game. | ||
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Koshi
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On December 18 2013 00:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: So if you think this is what we learned why have you never brought that up before? JAT yes, he has been pretty useless this game. Why the fuck didn't you? You were masoned with one of the guys. I didn't know what Risen/soniv could do. Or didn't care. Pretty sure we all had ticklish as town. I even said somewhere that Risen was town but JAT claimed the damage done to him so I was all mehhh about Risen. | ||
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Koshi
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On December 18 2013 00:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: So if you think this is what we learned why have you never brought that up before? JAT yes, he has been pretty useless this game. .............................. Also, I am so bored with people saying I am useless or that I don't care (granted that one was scum). Wtf have you done rayn? Hmmmmm? Defend all the scummers and push all the town? So fucking annoying you call me useless. Check your own filter. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On December 18 2013 00:17 Koshi wrote: Why the fuck didn't you? You were masoned with one of the guys. I didn't know what Risen/soniv could do. Or didn't care. Pretty sure we all had ticklish as town. I even said somewhere that Risen was town but JAT claimed the damage done to him so I was all mehhh about Risen. What the hell? Why should i bring that up? I didn't think it means anything other than someone shot ticklish or sandroba used his power and ticklish got outed, or that it was irrelevant. Why should it be ME who brings it up if YOU thought it was important? | ||
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Koshi
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You protect me from 2 spells. Ok nice I guess. Oneshot? And then you taunt people but you can't taunt scum KP. And then you don't even send in an action last night. grtz. | ||
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justanothertownie
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On December 18 2013 00:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: So if you think this is what we learned why have you never brought that up before? JAT yes, he has been pretty useless this game. Well go on questioning him if you like but as of now I think you are wasting your time here. Koshi was one of the few persons who tried to keep this game alive recently. He would have bussed MZ pretty hard too. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On December 18 2013 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: And for the record on D3 i voted for exactly as many scum as you did Koshi. | ||
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justanothertownie
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On December 18 2013 00:21 Koshi wrote: Like wtf is this Shen hero btw. You protect me from 2 spells. Ok nice I guess. Oneshot? And then you taunt people but you can't taunt scum KP. And then you don't even send in an action last night. grtz. But his ability is kinda confirmed through chezinu. And was your target lynched? | ||
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Koshi
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On December 18 2013 00:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: What the hell? Why should i bring that up? I didn't think it means anything other than someone shot ticklish or sandroba used his power and ticklish got outed, or that it was irrelevant. Why should it be ME who brings it up if YOU thought it was important? I didn't think it was important. I say that if I was a healer and somebody had invented the Ambulance radio I would have healed Ticklish in case I had a townread on him. = useful use of Ambulance radio. ^ you asked if Ambulance radio had a useful use. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On December 18 2013 00:21 Koshi wrote: Like wtf is this Shen hero btw. You protect me from 2 spells. Ok nice I guess. Oneshot? And then you taunt people but you can't taunt scum KP. And then you don't even send in an action last night. grtz. So what's this about? You can very well see what my power does. How am i supposed to decide what my powers do? Your powers have been as useless as mine and you can actually decide what they do.-.. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On December 18 2013 00:23 Koshi wrote: I didn't think it was important. I say that if I was a healer and somebody had invented the Ambulance radio I would have healed Ticklish in case I had a townread on him. = useful use of Ambulance radio. ^ you asked if Ambulance radio had a useful use. So what? It's not like anyone knew what you are going to invent and now you tell people should have known it, they should have known someone would hit ticklish and therefore they should have protected him. rofl. And yes, you said you think that was important. IT'S IN THE QUOTES. YOU LITERALY SAID SO. | ||
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Why are/were you not accusing Risen & jcarl if you think they should have healed ticklish? | ||
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Mocsta
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JayB has done nothing all game except hop onto wagons with reasoning that has zero bearing on scum mentality and then hiding behind his claim of 'best mislynch NA". His push on me has been extremely scummy and hinges upon suspicion based on HP which I have gone over a million times has zero benefit to scum play -- even Risen agreed with this prior to his flip and hes a scum pro. ##Vote: JayBrundage (2) I have noticed over the past couple days that whenever a vet says "X" is scum, suddenly a bunch of people throw out their previous reads and start nodding their head. Yes, there is a lack of leadership this game - I suppose with Xmas many of us are busy. However, I urge that you all start using your head and think through for yourself what makes sense for this game. Being a vet, doesn't make your reasoning right. (3) I will address the Sandroba case below -- in my opinion this case is founded on "i don't like this guy cos of the way he wears pants on his hand". Well too bad, I already like the way I wear my pants. On December 17 2013 02:43 sandroba wrote: + Show Spoiler [case] + Okay I'm sorry I didn't push through with mig's last reads even though I thought they were likely correct. I got doubts when looking at the votes and picks and was too tired to think about the game. I bring you now the reason why mocsta is scum: First of all the post he made day 1 that made me look into him: On December 02 2013 14:50 Mocsta wrote: SS - Null. Most of his posts are setup speculation which is acceptable either alignment at this phase of the game. I admit I haven't played with a scum SS; but I also havent played with a pleasant one either. It makes me naturally assume something is different. Hes active though which is a good sign too. Yes, null. Geript - Soft town lean. Trolling Geript is null. But this Geript appears to be trying to push the thread into a certain direction - using reasoning vs slander. I also like that he is trying to make "look at me statements" to be noticed. He *wants* the attention. For this stage of the game I think thats pretty townie. OdinOfPergo - Null to soft scum lean Very setup oriented filter so i dont place a lot value in having activity. Half the stuff hes takling about I have no idea about because I'm not familiar with LoL. Hes also got an early Day0 obsession with Jay which hasn't relented, yet, he seems to be asking the opinion of others rather than talk to Jay to firm up a read?. This is kinda reminding me of how I approached Storrzerg in Mafia LXIII. Storrzerg - Null No idea, nothing really to work off Sandroba - Null Sandroba is known for good plans as town so its natural for him to easily receive buy-in // propose something conceived pre-game. Hes also known for lurking as scum. Hes given reasoning for lack of activity, so I think he will become pretty clear over the next 48hrs especially with roles being out. gtrsrs - Soft town lean I hate players like this. Troll. Its pretty light hearted, and the joke he made on Sandroba made me laugh, which is probably a good sign - as joviality is hard to fake. Most of the stuff is selfish setup talk which probably indicates town that will be useless to moving the thread forward i.e. the usual TL sign up these days.  Oatsmaster - ?? It looks like hes trying to stir the pot intentionally. He seriously couldnt think that SS vet idea was good... I honestly have no idea how to read this guy anymore, he used to have direction in his pushes as town. Tips?? Justanothertownie - Null to Soft scum lean He is uncharacteristically active/assertive. The games I played with JAT he was pretty timid. Here he is calling people stupid and just in general seems to be on edge. I find he also talks to Rayn as if auto-assuming Rayn is town. White knighting? This is a waste of a post with plenty of bullshit to go around. And more it follows the exact same formula as most of JL/MZ posting, a bullshit post on demand after being prompted for reads on people, but as you notice really evasive and not much conclusion to be derived from it. Then there is the MZ/mocsta fake discussion that I pointed out day 1 and you guys pretty much dismissed it or said that MZ was okay but mocsta looked scummy. You will have to check out their filters for it, because it's too long and I want to make this post objective. This is how it went down: Mocsta suddenly started calling MZ scum for fabricating reads on easy targets. MZ answered him after a while and explained his reads to him. Mocsta insisted on some points and required further explanation. MZ refrained to answer mocsta for a little while, then mocsta got mad and voted MZ. For whatever reason that 1 vote made MZ extremelly angry and he explained it all over. Mocsta didn't buy the explanation and said that the vote remains. MZ repeated the exact same explanation and suddenly mocsta was satisfied and moved his 1 vote. Now as I pointed out day 1 and you are all free to read it over that looked fake as fuck, both from MZ and mocsta end. It has scum fake discussion written all over it. The very next post mocsta made when he gets called out on his fake looking MZ argument he says he still not over the MZ issue and explains why he is still suspicious of MZ. But then he drops it and votes JL because "Definitely didnt like the way he talked about me. Felt like he was trying to +1 onto bullshit.". Can you see the bussing patern here? Then this post comes. Remember mocsta was adamant on MZ and now was voting another person he considered scum JL. On December 04 2013 00:01 Mocsta wrote: I don't find my play fits into any category of my usual standard, because I am barely playing. Like I said before I'm struggling due to the early game. Every filter I have read has so much setup talk and I just go "ugggh" Why can't I be a sheep for once? But now he is suddenly struggling and want to sheep someone, because "filter have so much setup talk" that he can't get a solid scum read? Really, he seemed pretty conviced about MZ and was asking people about JL. Now he wants not to be noticed anymore. As a mater of fact go back and read the post in which he unvotes JL and moves his vote to Bum. If it weren't for the votes in that post you would think mocsta was actually voting JL and had his doubts about bum being scum, but that's not what happens: On December 04 2013 01:07 Mocsta wrote: ##Unvote jonnylaw First off, I think he "stole" my hero - so I might be prejudiced. Reading his filter I'm at loggerheads. - I cant follow his reads mid Day1 - they read like checklists and with some of the reads I dont even know if the lean is town or null. - I find him to be a lot more direct/assertive during the pick phase. Coupled with the point above I find pretty scummy. - Has a read on OWB/Kush.. that is weird. On one hand he is making some effort in his filter to push it, and on the other hand I don't feel he is making an effort to strengthen his read by talking to Kush. - I do like how he plays early Day 1 with Geript/Jay. It felt like he was stopping that feud and then tried to generate discussion with the right level of assertiveness. - I also misread him earlier when I said he +1'd me. That was prob OMGUS of me. Having said that, I dont see why it is relevant to call me out for making excuses. Doesn't take it anywhere either. Overall I think he has good potential to be scum. I really want to see him push his prime read (Kush) more. + I'm not sure if knowing he is a newbie is affecting my read. Bumatlarge I dont like this post. To me its overplayed enthusiasm. Realistically, did my vote make a difference to the outcome? I just dont see the point to it other than filler. - I noticed in his list of heroes split into town/defensive/mafia that my hero is not listed - even though it had KP. This makes me wonder what else was left out? Prob a null point, with so many heroes its hard to keep on top of them all. I don't like this. I never called jcarl scum. Ironically, I take issue with bum here for the blatant appeal to ego - I'm struggling to follow his train of thought. Still very setup focused - I dont get his stance on JL. Regarding the accidental vote, I'm not even sure if Bum is reading carefully if he points this out as non-accidental? - His read on LSB (who I haven't read yet) looks like hes leaving himself a backdoor. - I dont see where the Geript reads materialised? - I do like how persistent he is with Jcarl, but I dont know why he is so *certain* of this read. It felt really odd in tone to be included with his SK retort. Overall I'm really struggling to understand his line of thought/reasoning. Pick Phase he read like an excited kid gleefully figuring out which present to unwrap on Christmas Day. Im not getting that anymore. I think its unusual for town to be so stubborn on a lynch candidate this early. I think he also backpedaled his read on LSB when pressured by Marv in a scummy/wishy-washy way. I'm really disliking the continued setup speculation about powers and ultimates etc as well. Yeah, I can definitely vote this slot. ##Vote: Bumatlarge LSB - Vote on me is terrible. At least he dropped it without pressure. I'm really struggling to read his filter. Its painful. I disagree with what he is doing on so many levels (role fishing, policy lynching, list summaries) but at the same time I can't imagine a scum player being this ballsy. Surely it would have to set a precedent for bold play. Considering he was onto bum quite early; i dont see why scum would need to bus. so i am kinda association reading him as town. This is a very strong indication mocsta is scum. I really have no doubts in my mind anymore, but it gets better. You can all read Day 2 where suddenly mocsta is over MZ being scum and is pushing austin for most of the day along side with saying that JL is scum with him, but not pushing JL. Austin has to convince mocsta to vote MZ, his original scum read that nobody knows why he has forgotten about, after much talk. Guess who else mocsta had a personal fake looking discussion with? That's right. And notice that's pretty out of character from JL if you read his other posts: On December 09 2013 11:31 Mocsta wrote: Nope? Your in my top 3 scum reads. Its called pressure. If I'm being offensive, let me know and I can try tone it down a dial. Works pretty stressful this time of year, so maybe its carrying through - dunno. On December 09 2013 11:50 JonnyLaw wrote: Mocsta you don't offend me. Your posting style just comes off nervous and pushy rather than leading and convincing. What I said wasn't referring to your pressure. That's fine. Coag could be scum. That's what I said. Roffles could be scum. Voting yourself and throwing out random damage are both scummy. Mig's doing the same thing. Comes in, drops some damage and posts a bit of nothing then leaves. I don't know how to differentiate between the behavior of those three. This becomes more difficult since I don't think kush is scum. He seems misguided but his posts feel genuine, unlike your posting. Now remeber that mocsta was like JL is the scummiest of all, said it many times day 2, but never tried to get him lynched. What's the first thing he does day 3? Even after coag bombs mkfuba? Goes ahead and vote kushmaster. What in the fuck?? Where did your fucking JL read go that you go ahead and throw it out the window and votes kush? But when we finally call for a JL shot guess what happens? This post comes: On December 11 2013 09:58 Mocsta wrote: This game seriously... *I* have been pushing for a JL lynch since Day fucking One, and everyone disses it -- even when a flipped townie came to the same conclusion as me. Like fuck this. My case on JL hasn't changed because hes done *NOTHING* since. The case simply can not evolve; and now suddenly you guys want to shoot him. don't get me wrong, *PLEASE SHOOT/LYNCH HIM* but this is fucking frustrating. In my opinion: The real question should be: With towns limited KP, who do we want to lynch next cycle. Because there is zero value to shooting someone to 50% and then lynching them.... Thus, to shoot JL we need a solid alternative to consider lynching next cycle. e.g. Kush or LSB So either Shoot JL and lynch 1 of {Kush, LSB} or Shoot 1 of {Kush, LSB} and lynch JL I prefer lynching JL, because I am very confident he is scum. So I advocate shooting someone like LSB --> because he is of higher value to scum as a hero than a VT Kush Seriously shouldn't you be glad that we just lynched scum and we are shooting your top scum read? No he is apparently pissed off because we are shooting JL for the wrong reasons. Does not compute. Makes no sense. He wants us to not shoot JL. WTF #2. And then comes double lynch day when mocsta delivers this gem, where he has every reason to vote MZ, HIS ORIGINAL DAY 1 AND 2 READ, but he can't do it because of the 3 way day 2. He doesn't look into the voting, or anything, he just can't do it. On December 12 2013 15:59 Mocsta wrote: Vote (1): Kush - Guy was campaigning to save Coag using faulty logic and just enough wishy-washyness to allow him to move his vote as required. Tush never talks about JL except for a very bizarre spoiled post: This itself is a very awkward exchange and reads quite forced to me. Kush then proceeds to list him as a scum read *ONLY* when hes become a popular choice; never commenting that I have been gunning for JL since Day dot (and as I am Kush's prime scum read, this should have occured) Vote (2): Between LSB, MZ, Risen Risen - Has JK power, so may have been a source of scum RB --> again, protecting JL was too obvious a move I think That aside, his contributions have been weak (which is probably a slight town lean for Risen) However, I don't understand why Rayn thought Risen is town from the mason logs. Its all Rayn saying "XYZ" and Risen saying "+1". Very rarely, if at all, does Risen contribute first. (which i think is a scum lean for anyone). Overall, Im pretty confused on Risen. I really would expect a scum Risen to be more vocal in general. If the team is full of "JL" though, hes probably demoralised?? I would think leave this guy alone till later. MZ - This ult thing is funny & i'm sick of him only coming into the thread when under pressure. Very similar attitude to jonny regarding thread input. I would seriously consider him as my second vote. But I can't get over the austin/roffles/MZ 3-way. In my head, all 3 horses were pretty even. If MZ is scum; I dont see why they wouldnt jump on Austin vs Roffles. This reads to me like they didnt care who was lynched, they just wanted an easy peace-out vote. LSB - Doesn't give a shit about the game. This is clear - its all token effort. Doesnt even follow up on his night action summaries - which was his only useful contribution. I just can't think of a pro for LSB in general. ##Vote: Kush ##Vote: LSB But obviously after MZ is pretty much gonne then he can do it. Now there is the obvious HP fumble (and further killing of mig when he could check mocsta hp) and the fact that Rayn got hit by 25 after taunting mocsta that no one can explain. Mafia just hit rayn for 25? To confuse us? How could they know that rayn would target a VT? Why was mocsta even hit for 150 in the first place? Many questions that don't have any good explanation to them except mocsta being mafia. And I think this is a pretty good job proving it. (1) Okay I'm sorry I didn't push through with mig's last reads even though I thought they were likely correct. I got doubts when looking at the votes and picks and was too tired to think about the game. I bring you now the reason why mocsta is scum: I don't even know how to respond to this because its such a ridiculous post to consider as scummy.First of all the post he made day 1 that made me look into him: This is a waste of a post with plenty of bullshit to go around. And more it follows the exact same formula as most of JL/MZ posting, a bullshit post on demand after being prompted for reads on people, but as you notice really evasive and not much conclusion to be derived from it. (a) Whilst you note that I was requested to produce these 8 reads by Rayn; what you ignore is that at this point in time, most of the players had zero posts after the pick phase. Further, I missed the first 48hrs of the game. (b) I stand by the above reads as 100% reasonable for that point in time. You are taking posts out of context for the information available at that time. (c) What you are doing is noting that scum respond to people when requested; and making a link that because I respond to people when requested I must be scum too. This is bullshit logic. If you want to argue that you don't like my post in general, fine. We can agree to disagree. However, this is not indicative of scum mentality and therefore is alignment-null at worst. (2) Then there is the MZ/mocsta fake discussion that I pointed out day 1 and you guys pretty much dismissed it or said that MZ was okay but mocsta looked scummy. You will have to check out their filters for it, because it's too long and I want to make this post objective. This is how it went down: Mocsta suddenly started calling MZ scum for fabricating reads on easy targets. This has already been explained in detail: I just came out of a scum game where I made an early case on someone for exhibiting poor play vs scum mentality. I thought MZ was taking the same approach and pressured him heavily regarding this. MZ answered him after a while and explained his reads to him. Mocsta insisted on some points and required further explanation. Agreed MZ refrained to answer mocsta for a little while, then mocsta got mad and voted MZ. Incorrect. Firstly, MZ was ignoring me whilst answering all other questions directed at him. This is a convenient oversight by you. Secondly, this is how i pressure people, if you don't like it, fine. But thats how I play the game as either alignment. Lastly, you don't even consider that perhaps MZ was actually ignoring me because I was on the money and was trying to divert correct early attention. For whatever reason that 1 vote made MZ extremelly angry and he explained it all over. Mocsta didn't buy the explanation and said that the vote remains. Of course my vote made him respond in haste. What scum wants early pressure on them? When you factor in that I was the only person that read MZ correctly in his last game (sicilian) this definitely adds up. MZ repeated the exact same explanation and suddenly mocsta was satisfied and moved his 1 vote. This is a gross exaggeration. MZ in his second retort, made me realise one of my arguments was contradictory. This made me question the legitimacy of my read in the first place. Further, I did not move my vote until the next day to which it was moved onto Jonny based on his play. Do you actually read my filter? Are you now going to tell me that I went from bussing MZ into bussing JL -- even though I abhor and detest bussing? You don't even consider that you thought the discussion was fake because it was MZ trying to bullshit the thread. Fact: I bussed Grack in Mafia LXIII so hard, everyone thought he was confirmed town when I flipped. What this means is, if MZ and I were scum-to-scum like you are imagining; you would think *HE* was faking it. Not me. Take that as WIFOM I don't care. I don't bus often, but when i do - I don't fuck around. (3) Now as I pointed out day 1 and you are all free to read it over that looked fake as fuck, both from MZ and mocsta end. It has scum fake discussion written all over it. The very next post mocsta made when he gets called out on his fake looking MZ argument he says he still not over the MZ issue and explains why he is still suspicious of MZ. But then he drops it and votes JL because "Definitely didnt like the way he talked about me. Felt like he was trying to +1 onto bullshit.". Can you see the bussing patern here? What has any of this got to do with pushing a scum agenda?(a) Are you telling me its scummy to be transparent about my suspicions? Yes, I found MZ suspicious, and JL even more suspicious. Why does this make me scum over anybody else that could have thought the same. If anything, this is town indicative for me. Anyone that plays with me knows this is how I play and vote. (4) Then this post comes. Remember mocsta was adamant on MZ and now was voting another person he considered scum JL. This is a load of tunneled crap.But now he is suddenly struggling and want to sheep someone, because "filter have so much setup talk" that he can't get a solid scum read? Really, he seemed pretty conviced about MZ and was asking people about JL. Now he wants not to be noticed anymore. Further, its already been discussed and conveniently ignored by you. (1) I don't get all the theme talk, hero talk (2) I'm a VT (3) I went after people I thought was scum; and *NOT* only was I shut down repeatedly, but then people questioned my motives. (4) I just came out of a game where I nailed the whole scum team; and town called me scum for it. 1+2+3+4 = demotivation to play. Of course you jump to the conclusion of wanting to "not be noticed anymore" but.. then why do I have a 22 page filter that is full of my pushing my own reads. Confirmation Bias is the answer. (5) As a mater of fact go back and read the post in which he unvotes JL and moves his vote to Bum. If it weren't for the votes in that post you would think mocsta was actually voting JL and had his doubts about bum being scum, but that's not what happens: This is a very strong indication mocsta is scum. I really have no doubts in my mind anymore, but it gets better. Its pretty clear from this post I thought all 3 were scum. Why is it scummy to drop my suspicion of one read (JL) to pursue an alternative lead? Let me guess, if I kept my vote on JL, you would now call me scum for not wanting to be on the Bum mislynch. Bad logic that forces me into a lose-lose situation. (6) You can all read Day 2 where suddenly mocsta is over MZ being scum and is pushing austin for most of the day along side with saying that JL is scum with him, but not pushing JL. Austin has to convince mocsta to vote MZ, his original scum read that nobody knows why he has forgotten about, after much talk. You are saying here that it is scummy for me to have changed a read on a now flipped scummer. Again, a lose-lose situation that is ridiculous and completely plausible from a town point of view.The fact remains as you pointed it out: Austin convinced me about MZ. Are you now going to purport this was a fake interaction as well? Extending the above, You don't even consider the scum benefits of these heroes. MZ - RB power JL - 50% hp reduction + stealth kills. These are *GOOD* scum heroes... yet me, who hates bussing, in your story goes after *BOTH* of them. This is starting to get extremely irritating. Everything you are pointing out is precisely why I am town. (7) Guess who else mocsta had a personal fake looking discussion with? That's right. And notice that's pretty out of character from JL if you read his other posts: LOL. Hes scum and trying to discredit me to get me off his tail; and you are saying this is forced? This is what scum do lolThere is a perfectly good reason why I wrote the comment about being offensive, and its not alignment indicative. Did you read the BttB post-game that occured during the time of this post? (8) Now remeber that mocsta was like JL is the scummiest of all, said it many times day 2, but never tried to get him lynched. What's the first thing he does day 3? Even after coag bombs mkfuba? Goes ahead and vote kushmaster. What in the fuck?? Where did your fucking JL read go that you go ahead and throw it out the window and votes kush? Firstly, this is my vote on Kush in question.On December 11 2013 13:05 Mocsta wrote: LOL Even if I was put at gun point and forced to even consider the notion that you are town, we get the following: If you were town: this post is the definition of confirmation biased. You could argue your interpretation of my filter changed as context in the game developed. But, this never happens. Because you are scum: this post is the definition of a discredit campaign. Because again, you shit on my name and provide nothing to back it up other than weak arguments that have been easily refuted. Yelling out something is a "scum slip"; does not make it a "scum slip". So I get to the simple solution (1) You are scum --> I am right about you, JL, LSB (2) I assume: I was shot with remaining scum KP (hopefully this will be confirmed by dmg claims) I'm done with this. JL can be finished with KP. You're next. ##Vote: TushMasta-b8r You are clearly twisting stories now. (1) I did try to get JL lynched and was ignored on multiple efforts. (2) I thought Kush was scum and still do. Why am I scummy for this? Kush was running a discredit campaign on me as he has done all game. I play the game by pushing my best read if there is only one, or the read I think can be lynched if there is multiple. You can call me scum as much as you like for this, but until you demonstrate why others that do the same are *not* scum....then you are double-standards/confirmation biased and have zero credibility. (9) But when we finally call for a JL shot guess what happens? This post comes: This is now retarded. My message is clear. Why would you waste limited town KP on someone you are going to lynch. People (such as yourself) had not explained their ultimates and we had no idea there was enough KP to be able to finish off JL.Seriously shouldn't you be glad that we just lynched scum and we are shooting your top scum read? No he is apparently pissed off because we are shooting JL for the wrong reasons. Does not compute. Makes no sense. He wants us to not shoot JL. WTF #2. Thus, I said you either shoot JL and do not lynch him; or you shoot someone else and lynch JL. Of course I would rather lynch JL, because it takes him out of the game a cycle earlier -- yet of course this is scummy according to you. And yes, I am going to be pissed off when I have had the best case in the game be repeatedly ignored because "i understand his thought process" and then town jumps onto his wagon because Sandroba says to. You seem to have even forgotten that before Bum took off, you were with me on JL..... Don't like it, tough luck. It doesn't make me scum; nor does it explain how I promote a scum agenda. (10) And then comes double lynch day when mocsta delivers this gem, where he has every reason to vote MZ, HIS ORIGINAL DAY 1 AND 2 READ, but he can't do it because of the 3 way day 2. He doesn't look into the voting, or anything, he just can't do it. LOL. I did go through the votes and in a lot of detail and believe it went down as I said. I still dont understand why Coag/JL would jump onto Roffles vs Austin; and its a completely legitimate reason to consider not voting someone. The fact is, the votes led to a MZ lynch that cycle *until* town Geript swapped votes to save MZ. But let me guess, hes scum too and theres a death miller in this game?But obviously after MZ is pretty much gonne then he can do it. (11) Now there is the obvious HP fumble (and further killing of mig when he could check mocsta hp) and the fact that Rayn got hit by 25 after taunting mocsta that no one can explain. Mafia just hit rayn for 25? To confuse us? How could they know that rayn would target a VT? Why was mocsta even hit for 150 in the first place? Many questions that don't have any good explanation to them except mocsta being mafia. And I think this is a pretty good job proving it. No, this case is terrible. People are biting at it because its the LARGEST case in the game. You dont explain shit for why there is scum motive.(1) HP fumble on what? THere is no fumble. and even if you want to purport its a lie; to what purpose? There is no gain as scum to lie about having 50kp. As I said before, even pro-scum risen agreed with this moments before his flip. (2) Rayn thinks mafia hit him for 25kp twice to confuse him. Why is this so far beyond your comprehension? (3) Why was I hit for 150kp.. maybe cos my reads have been on the right track with JL and Kush.... (4) Mig could have been shot to frame me.. or the more plausible explanation because he started giving a shit about the game and trying to drive it forward. He accused lots of people before he died including people as SK. That you focus his death solely on me is terribad and opportunistic to suit your story. None of what you said explains why I am mafia. MOst of it clearly explains why I am disgruntled town this game. I'm sick of putting up with this bullshit and this is now becoming no different to last game. This case boils down to you agreeing with Mig about HP anomalies --> scum motivation and then building a case to support that notion. This is clear by your position in the last point. My vote stays on JayB. (and it has nothing to do with that Rayn taunted him and also received 25kp) | ||
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On December 18 2013 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: So what's this about? You can very well see what my power does. How am i supposed to decide what my powers do? Your powers have been as useless as mine and you can actually decide what they do.-.. ... Really. ... 1) I totally agree that the result of my inventions have been less than optimal. But Double lynch was a success. 2) I have not been "totally useless" this game. I have been here many days for +10 hours and I have pushed MZ like a motherfucker. MZ had a super townie start (your words) and then MZ thought he could call me worthless and not caring (MZ words) and it fucking backfired right in his face, he wasn't seen as townie at all anymore and we lynched him. 3) Everything you accuse me off applies to yourself just as much and sometimes more. kk? | ||
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