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nineninja9
Profile Joined March 2010
United States194 Posts
July 18 2010 06:47 GMT
#701
Gokey, 400W is fine as long as you aren't planning on xfiring in the future. Considering the motherboard you picked out only has a single pci2 slot, I assumed you weren't planning on it.

I'd personally go with a 480. Even though 2x 460 outperforms a 480 for slightly less, I think throwing in another 480 later on as an upgrade is simpler than 4x sli with the 460, not to mention single cards can avoid the random issues that seem to pop up with multi card configurations. I guess it also saves him the trouble of getting SLI to work on Linux, but they are admittedly all minor issues. I guess my point is if he's doing an i7 build, I don't think bang for buck is as high of a priority for him, and it's easier to upgrade a single card.
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
July 18 2010 06:48 GMT
#702
If you're a college student you can get a ~70% discount on Windows 7. If you're in a computer-related major and your school has signed up for it, you can get Windows 7 for free.

That's what I'm doing once I enter college this Fall.

Right now I'm using a legal 90 day trial of Windows 7 Enterprise until then.
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R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-18 07:14:43
July 18 2010 06:51 GMT
#703
I combo dealed your PSU and Hard Drive Gokey.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.441361
500gb spinpoint f3 and 550w fatal1ty psu


http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.441362
1tb spinpoint f3 and 550w fatal1ty psu

Either one you'll save $20 for comboing them together.

Edit: Eff0rt vs. Fantasy Ace Match SKT vs. CJ Going on right now!!!

Double Edit: I paired your graphics card with some more RAM also.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.445928

That's another $30 saved. ($20 from Comboing and the RAM is $10 cheaper than your model)
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nineninja9
Profile Joined March 2010
United States194 Posts
July 18 2010 07:14 GMT
#704
Why are you spending $18 more on RAM than you have to? Is it because you don't trust ram without heatspreaders for some reason?

Similarly, if you're willing to spend $18 more on RAM for a rather arbitrary reason, why do you prefer to save $5 on a motherboard, and lose the ability to use 2 extra RAM slots, an extra PCI lane, and USB3 support? Especially with a 550W PSU, which is enough to power 2 5770s for a future upgrade as long as you don't go crazy with extra hard drives and overclocking.

Athlons are a bit outdated, but you aren't risking bottlenecking your cpu with one so it's not a bad choice if you want to save some money.

R04R has already pointed out a nice combo with your psu and hard drive, so that's a nice way to save some money.

And like FragKrag said, the difference in hard drive cache is minimal for the average user.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11563 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-18 07:19:45
July 18 2010 07:18 GMT
#705
On July 18 2010 15:47 nineninja9 wrote:
Gokey, 400W is fine as long as you aren't planning on xfiring in the future. Considering the motherboard you picked out only has a single pci2 slot, I assumed you weren't planning on it.

I'd personally go with a 480. Even though 2x 460 outperforms a 480 for slightly less, I think throwing in another 480 later on as an upgrade is simpler than 4x sli with the 460, not to mention single cards can avoid the random issues that seem to pop up with multi card configurations. I guess it also saves him the trouble of getting SLI to work on Linux, but they are admittedly all minor issues. I guess my point is if he's doing an i7 build, I don't think bang for buck is as high of a priority for him, and it's easier to upgrade a single card.


Though the SLI GTX 460 will net him better performance at the moment for less heat consumption and lower temps. It seems like a win-win situation to me. The GTX 460 SLI solutions should hold very well for the next couple years so there shouldn't be a need to upgrade.

TanGeng: SLI scaling is an absolute beauty. It approaches 90% in just about every game :>
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
July 18 2010 07:19 GMT
#706
For $99 you could also get a Phenom II x2 555 Black Edition processor, and try to unlock to 4 cores.

If it doesn't unlock you still have 6mb L3 cache and a higher overclockability, which I think is better for gaming than having more than 2 cores.

I just got a 555 BE myself. I was able to unlock it to a triple core.

Also note in my previous post I combo'd your Graphics card with more inexpensive RAM if you missed that.
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Gokey
Profile Joined November 2006
United States2722 Posts
July 18 2010 07:19 GMT
#707
Thanks for finding the HD + PSU combo!! That's awesome...

I wish the OCZ + GPU combo was good too... But reading the reviews of the OCZ ram, it seems that it only works with Intel i-series CPUs (there are a TON of negative reviews of the OCZ Platinum 1333 RAM...
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11563 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-18 07:21:38
July 18 2010 07:20 GMT
#708
555BE is a great buy if you manage to unlock the extra cores, but the problem with the 555BE is that it is never a guaranteed unlock. Overclocking a disabled core isn't a very good idea most of the time because it was probably locked for voltage leaks that are above spec. A Quad core will carry him through further than a dual core :>

Yes, OCZ DDR3 has become notorious for its failures on the AMD platforms :<
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nineninja9
Profile Joined March 2010
United States194 Posts
July 18 2010 07:24 GMT
#709
On July 18 2010 16:18 FragKrag wrote:
Though the SLI GTX 460 will net him better performance at the moment for less heat consumption and lower temps. It seems like a win-win situation to me. The GTX 460 SLI solutions should hold very well for the next couple years so there shouldn't be a need to upgrade.

TanGeng: SLI scaling is an absolute beauty. It approaches 90% in just about every game :>


He's already forking over cash for a 1366 build, so I'm just saying that if he's going to upgrade in 1-2 years, a 480 makes it simpler. I don't think anyone with an i7 can honestly say that price per performance or heat is one of their higher priorities.

I've heard that OCZ RAM is fairly mediocre, but I have no personal experience with it.
Gokey
Profile Joined November 2006
United States2722 Posts
July 18 2010 07:24 GMT
#710
On July 18 2010 16:14 nineninja9 wrote:
Why are you spending $18 more on RAM than you have to? Is it because you don't trust ram without heatspreaders for some reason?

Similarly, if you're willing to spend $18 more on RAM for a rather arbitrary reason, why do you prefer to save $5 on a motherboard, and lose the ability to use 2 extra RAM slots, an extra PCI lane, and USB3 support? Especially with a 550W PSU, which is enough to power 2 5770s for a future upgrade as long as you don't go crazy with extra hard drives and overclocking.


I was thinking the Ripjaw ones had latency 7-7-7-21 as opposed to the 9-9-9-24 of the $81 ones, and plus the heat sink... Dunno, maybe it doesn't make a difference? I'm not sure...

Which mobo are you talking about that is only 5 bucks more?
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-18 07:29:20
July 18 2010 07:27 GMT
#711
I'm using the OCZ RAM that I suggested on my AMD PC and I haven't had any errors so far. \(O_o)/

The latencies are nice but it also has more voltage. They just overclocked it for you.

Edit: All-in-all though most RAM after a certain speed around 1066 is fine. Any more and it's usually a diminishing return (which isn't bang-for-buck )
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nineninja9
Profile Joined March 2010
United States194 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-18 07:46:20
July 18 2010 07:32 GMT
#712
If you look up some benchmarks, you'll see that faster RAM has maybe a 1% difference in games. I personally don't think it's worth a 15% or so premium, but you may have some other use for your computer that makes it relevant.

The motherboard I posted on the last page is $5 more expensive after the promo code and mail in rebate. Of course these types of rebates are always somewhat questionable, so if you say that it costs $25 more, I guess it seems less reasonable.

EDIT: I think lower latency also makes overclocking easier? But then you'd probably want to consider an extra $30 on a heatsink, so again the cost/benefit is kind of hard to determine.

For gaming there's very little difference http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/phenom-ii-ddr3,2319-6.html
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
July 18 2010 07:54 GMT
#713
Low latency ram helps certain types of applications. Usually, you'd only care about throughput. In an OS environment it's multi-threaded and time sliced anyways. If you stall for memory fetch from RAM, the processor can try to move onto another thread or another program. The ram latencies are always tiny when compared to the huge cycles in navigating the cache architecture and then doing the memory fetch.

They get more important if you have real time computing requirements.
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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
July 18 2010 07:55 GMT
#714
On July 18 2010 16:24 nineninja9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2010 16:18 FragKrag wrote:
Though the SLI GTX 460 will net him better performance at the moment for less heat consumption and lower temps. It seems like a win-win situation to me. The GTX 460 SLI solutions should hold very well for the next couple years so there shouldn't be a need to upgrade.

TanGeng: SLI scaling is an absolute beauty. It approaches 90% in just about every game :>


He's already forking over cash for a 1366 build, so I'm just saying that if he's going to upgrade in 1-2 years, a 480 makes it simpler. I don't think anyone with an i7 can honestly say that price per performance or heat is one of their higher priorities.

I've heard that OCZ RAM is fairly mediocre, but I have no personal experience with it.


Good to know SLI is working well now. I'm going with the top line Fermi. What the hell.
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Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-18 08:38:12
July 18 2010 07:56 GMT
#715
hi
I'm a computer newbie, but i put together some parts for a PC:

Intel Celeron E3300 2,4GHz FSB 800
2GB DDR3 1333 MHz
nVIDIA GF9500 GT 1024MB DDR2 128 bit
HDD 250GB-S-ATA
+ the rest of the stuff you need for a pc to work

and a Filtek F288 headphone-microphone as a gift

it costs me 360$ (291 + VAT), i think it's a pretty good deal
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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-18 08:36:53
July 18 2010 08:03 GMT
#716
Here's what I got so far.
[image loading]

1290 without the CPU.

Do I need some cables?
Also wondering about those WD harddrives.
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R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
July 18 2010 08:50 GMT
#717
6gb/s are lies. They're capable of reaching that speed if you Raid 0 them (right?) but aren't significantly faster by themselves when compared to say Samsung Spinpoint F3s.

So, you'll saved about 40-50 just getting F3s

I don't know about Intel building so I'll leave that to someone else.
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32278 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-18 09:08:31
July 18 2010 09:07 GMT
#718
On July 18 2010 17:03 TanGeng wrote:
Here's what I got so far.
[image loading]

1290 without the CPU.

Do I need some cables?
Also wondering about those WD harddrives.


Sata cable to connect HDD / DVD drive.

Most motherboards come with Sata cables. usually one with a L shaped tip (to connect a HDD) and a regular one for the DVD drive.

If you want to connect aditional pylons hard drives, you will need to buy more sata cables.

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Gokey
Profile Joined November 2006
United States2722 Posts
July 18 2010 09:27 GMT
#719
Wow, setting up builds is addicting... O_o

Here's my current min-maxing... $472...

[image loading]
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32278 Posts
July 18 2010 09:30 GMT
#720
Nice build Gokey.
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