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Hapahauli
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Hapahauli
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Hapahauli
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Axero
United States307 Posts
 @ Hapa 1) Since when did bad logic = scum? 2) Mistake on fluff = scum? 3) Context tends to help. You dwell so bad. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On August 11 2012 05:29 Axero wrote: Kind of like you just did? @ Hapa 1) Since when did bad logic = scum? 2) Mistake on fluff = scum? 3) Context tends to help. You dwell so bad. I'm honestly trying to keep an open mind and try to read you as town but your aren't helping. Explain what you are saying here. Use sentences. Talk to me like I'm retarded, fill in all the blanks. What the hell is your defense? | ||
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Axero
United States307 Posts
@ Hapa If I were scum, how would it benefit me to fos you? Surely there's easier people to go after that wouldn't bring so much attention to myself. | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
Sideni: His posts have continued to be long and flowery. I'm now convinced that his "bad at English" excuse is likely scum-motivated. He has demonstrated more than enough command of the English language to play this game, to the point that I don't understand why as town he would even bring it up. He has been focusing a lot of his posting tunneling Dandel Ion. Then he changes immediately to Lvdr when it's brought up that his problems with Dandel Ion seem to be in large part from his stance on Lvdr.: On August 11 2012 03:30 Sideni wrote: @Hapahauli : I actually haven't thought about that ! Your logic makes complete sense to me and I now see the contradiction in voting for Dandel Ion ! The logic behind it would then be that we first go with Mkfuba's case on Lvdr and from there, we can tell if my case is good. Thanks for making me understand myself, I'm changing my vote ! xD @Lvdr : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=31#616 point 1 : As you know, we are 9 towns and there are 3 mafia. 6 of everbody talked about Mkfuba's case. Assuming that you are mafia I would assume that mafia players wouldn't comment on the case or at least, they would try to find something bad about the case which didn't happen. So, my guess is that all 6 people who commented are town and lurkers could be town as well. point 2 : The thing is that YourHarry, before Dandel Ion comments, DOESN'T behave like a scum ! point 3 : I want you to explain me how do I seem to lack a basic mafia strategy ? I mean, why would we sacrifice a town to get information when we can lynch someone who looks scummy ?! ##unvote Dandel Ion ##FOS Dandel Ion ##vote Lvdr He's like: "Hmmm. I guess you're right. What I'm doing doesn't make sense. Instead of clearly explaining my motives let me fix that." I am not convinced there weren't other reasons for him voting Dandel Ion over Lvdr. He should have come out and say what they were before switching his vote. This feels like a move that was made to take suspicion away from himself by making his voting pattern more consistent with his arguments. His quickness to flip his vote when called out for inconsistency of action feels scummy to me. Combined with the points of my prior case against him, which are spoilered below, he is my scummiest read right now, and has earned my vote.: ##Vote: Sideni My earlier case against him (and Axero too): + Show Spoiler + On August 10 2012 13:56 goodkarma wrote: I have read through everyone's filters, and have a few case points on who I see as most scummy right now: Sideni: One scum-read I currently have on him is mistaking the name of the person who was getting married (Kronen). This was mentioned before, but I feel it is an important point. If you're struggling to read and write in English to the point of scrutinizing every word, how can you make this kind of mistake of names? This fits the profile of an unconcerned scum combing the thread before posting. It may not seem big, but in my last game (NMM XXII) the last scum we caught made this same mistake. I believe it's been said before, and I too agree that his posts are a bit fluffy. Especially considering that if writing every English word is meticulous, I would expect his posts to generally be very concise and succinct. Instead, we've seen posts like this one: Two things about this post: the first is I have no idea why a orange or grapefruit metaphor was necessary, or even helpful. The only thing it serves to do, in my opinion, is distract from the rest of the post with a bit of fluff (a bit ironic for a post defending against making fluffy posts). Perhaps Sideni indeed does struggle with the English language, but some of his fluffy posts have indicated to me that it could plausibly be a scum-motivated excuse. The second thing: "Hmmm nevermind, I don't have to keep going on my explanation, I just realized how dumb my logic was xD I'm sorry to everybody for the confusion xD" There is no town-motivated reason whatsoever for making this statement. It's basically saying, "I don't know what I'm doing. Don't listen to me." This statement feels very scum-motivated, as it's a great statement to make if you're trying to keep your head low. Another quote that gives me a scum read on Sideni: It feels like he's trying a little too hard here to show he's pro-town. Why does something this obvious need to be said? This quote feels scum-motivated to me. For the reasons I've mentioned above: ##FoS: Sideni Axero: Axero's mentioned on more than one occasion that this is his first game. Describing noobiness is a common scum trait, as it allows them to discredit themselves and have people not take them as seriously, or read as much into their cases for mislynches as they should be. He then goes on to describe how he plans to post without reading the thread.: You should never post without reading first. This is strongly anti-town play. Combined with your semi-lurky behavior, you're looking scummy to me.: ##FoS: Axero Axero: Axero's most recent actions have not gone unnoticed by me. Unfortunately, I have seen really bad townie lurkers before + Show Spoiler + (I know he's posted a lot of one-liners today, but until he contributes his first post of substance I consider him a lurker) First, his mistaking of names for Kronen's wedding. I still believe that mistaking names is a scum tell, as I have explained before in my case against Sideni. Second, posting nonsense filler like this: On August 11 2012 01:46 Axero wrote: EBWOP: Spooning required, clothes optional. This is spam. It adds no content to the thread and drowns out valid arguments which are critical for us to see so close to the voting deadline. Axero is definitely looking scummier than he did before. But I'm not ready to rule out his actions as being those of a bad townie yet. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On August 11 2012 05:29 Axero wrote: Kind of like you just did? @ Hapa 1) Since when did bad logic = scum? 2) Mistake on fluff = scum? 3) Context tends to help. You dwell so bad. 1) Bad logic in context of scummy play is scummy. Again, you reference bussing in the conversation between me and YourHarry when there was nothing involving suspicion. You didn't read the conversation and casted idle suspicion - that's scummy. 2) That's more to point out to Dandel Ion how he's holding you to different standards than Sideni 3) On August 10 2012 09:44 Axero wrote: Since the game started and I didn't know I'd be in it I had previous plans. I've been checking the thread and still trying to feel people out, but since nothing really had anything to do with me personally, I haven't replied. (Not the best play, but again, first game  ) ... Haha, no I wasn't planning on lurking. I was actually going to go ahead with my plans without checking the forum at all, but someone coaching me suggested i still check. Context. Okay, perhaps "openly admitting not reading" was severe, but anti-town mentality is still on display here. Not wanting to discuss, and planning not to check the forum at all? You've commented on this, so I won't dwell on it longer - I just don't find your explanation sufficient. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
On August 11 2012 05:33 Axero wrote: EBWOP: @ Hapa If I were scum, how would it benefit me to fos you? Surely there's easier people to go after that wouldn't bring so much attention to myself. Get that wifom shit out of here. I know almost everthing can be wifom but come on. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On August 11 2012 05:35 iamperfection wrote: Get that wifom shit out of here. I know almost everthing can be wifom but come on. Funny thing is, ge isn't "going after" me. He's just casting idle "gut-feeling" suspicion on me. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
On August 11 2012 05:38 Hapahauli wrote: Funny thing is, ge isn't "going after" me. He's just casting idle "gut-feeling" suspicion on me. ???? | ||
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Hapahauli
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
Hapa and others, read my case on mkfuba. I don't think axero, sideni, or lvdr is a good lynch. | ||
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Promethelax
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Axero
United States307 Posts
On August 11 2012 05:35 iamperfection wrote: Get that wifom shit out of here. I know almost everthing can be wifom but come on. You complain about 1 liners and then post 1 liners. GG I'm tired, I'm going to bed. Vote how you will. All you're doing is bringing up stuff I can't defend without saying something you've already complained about being scummy. PCE | ||
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Axero
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Hapahauli
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=29#580 I replied to it here. I highly doubt your case will get any traction given the standing cases on Sideni and Lvdr - consider switching your vote at this point. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
His "ragequit" for the night gives me a bad-townie read. I still find his actions slightly scummy, but given that no one's following me on his lynch, and that we need 7 for a majority lynch (prplhz said 6, but I think he got this wrong), I'll most likely switch my vote toward one of the more popular candidates. | ||
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