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qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
July 22 2008 01:37 GMT
#6721
On July 22 2008 07:31 Bill307 wrote:
The problem with qrs is that he is impatient: he links a handful of clues to a person, and then that's it for him: he is 100% convinced. He doesn't push for the kind of thorough, all-encompassing clue analysis that we've seen from the superior detectives in this game, such as Plexa.

There are so many more clues in those posts that qrs ignores. I point them out and he ignores them, his mind set in stone. Granted I was too harsh on him earlier: I get like that when I see people say mind-blowingly stupid things. I also said some things that I now realize were wrong. My apologies.



Without further ado, I will show you all the PROPER, THOROUGH way to connect Mr. Blue to jtan.

*sigh*. Can't you just say "I was wrong"? Nearly everything you have said in that post has been said before, by me or others (like in this summary). You added the excavator connection, and the behind-the-depot thing. Also a strained analogy between cliffs and locked windows and ramps and back doors; also an mistaken connection with a flying object (that was California Mountain Snake's metal disk). As for the 'clue' that caused you to blow your gasket in the first place, when I politely disagreed with it--it looks like you have decided that giant machinery is not the point after all.

You weren't just "too harsh on me earlier". You were completely off the mark and made yourself look like a moron. But even now that you admit I was right after all, you try to spin it somehow to make it like you were still right all along, and I was the one who was arguing against jtan's being Mr. Blue.

I realize that you are enthusiastic about the game and you want to contribute. And it's not your fault that most of the analysis happened before you came into the picture (I was not the first one to identify jtan). But do try to tone down your ego a little bit, please. Try not to get personal, and if you're wrong, admit it with good grace. Play nice.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
July 22 2008 02:06 GMT
#6722
Haha, are you arguing over which one of you found the most clues against me?

Whoever wins that argument is the worse detective lol
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Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
July 22 2008 02:10 GMT
#6723
That's a lot easier to do when the person you're disagreeing with didn't just say they were going to abandon the game and stop posting. That was very infuriating. It was like a big "Fuck you guys: my mind's made up and I'm done."
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
July 22 2008 02:19 GMT
#6724
On July 22 2008 10:37 qrs wrote:
*sigh*. Can't you just say "I was wrong"? Nearly everything you have said in that post has been said before, by me or others (like in this summary). You added the excavator connection, and the behind-the-depot thing. Also a strained analogy between cliffs and locked windows and ramps and back doors; also an mistaken connection with a flying object (that was California Mountain Snake's metal disk). As for the 'clue' that caused you to blow your gasket in the first place, when I politely disagreed with it--it looks like you have decided that giant machinery is not the point after all.

First of all, that summary is weak in my opinion. Not only is it missing a lot of clues, the style in which the clues are presented is unconvincing. I find it's much more effective to actually quote the relevant sentences, for one thing (so that people can see them right there without having to go back and look for what Chuiu wrote). It's summaries like yours that lead to mistakes like being convinced that Mr. Blonde is a fast and agile person rather than a muscular guy with a propeller on his head. The exact wording is very important. Even a verb like "plowed" can be significant, but it would easily get lost if someone paraphrased that clue.


Second, I was right in that you guys weren't paying enough attention to those large machines. That's how I came up with the excavator=burrowing clue and the lurker-attacks-through-depots clues. In contrast, it sounded like you were ready to completely ignore those parts, satisfied with saying "well he killed him with blades so that's good enough".
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
July 22 2008 02:20 GMT
#6725
Btw, jtan is soooo going to kill us for all of this.

Since this will be our last night alive, I was thinking of partying, but I didn't want to clutter up the topic and bury the evidence as a result.
jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-22 02:30:35
July 22 2008 02:29 GMT
#6726
On July 22 2008 11:20 Bill307 wrote:
Btw, jtan is soooo going to kill us for all of this.

Actually you kind of deserve to die after messing up so much but never mind that

It looks like none of us will survive this game, so yeah let's be friends and party this last day together
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qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-22 02:35:00
July 22 2008 02:34 GMT
#6727
On July 22 2008 11:10 Bill307 wrote:
That's a lot easier to do when the person you're disagreeing with didn't just say they were going to abandon the game and stop posting. That was very infuriating. It was like a big "Fuck you guys: my mind's made up and I'm done."

OK, thanks for explaining, actually. I didn't realize how my post sounded to you. (I'm pretty bad about not realizing what my posts sound like sometimes.) I was taken aback when you blew up at me seemingly out of nowhere.

Now that I know what ticked you off, I sincerely apologize. I didn't mean to belittle your analysis, or say that no matter what, I was finished, even if you had come up with convincing evidence against someone else. All I meant was that I thought that between everyone, we had IDed the remaining Mafia, and there was nothing more for me to say. If you wanted to keep going and make sure every t was crossed, more power to you. I apologize for the unintentional insult.

Hope everything is cleared up now. GG.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-22 02:53:20
July 22 2008 02:50 GMT
#6728
On July 22 2008 11:29 jtan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2008 11:20 Bill307 wrote:
Btw, jtan is soooo going to kill us for all of this.

Actually you kind of deserve to die after messing up so much but never mind that

It looks like none of us will survive this game, so yeah let's be friends and party this last day together

Okay sure, I'll go to a party with you tonight.

Gee, I hope nothing bad happens to me while I'm out partying with jtan on Night 20!

Edit: qrs you should come party too. No hard feelings, eh?
jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-22 02:57:46
July 22 2008 02:54 GMT
#6729
On July 22 2008 11:50 Bill307 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2008 11:29 jtan wrote:
On July 22 2008 11:20 Bill307 wrote:
Btw, jtan is soooo going to kill us for all of this.

Actually you kind of deserve to die after messing up so much but never mind that

It looks like none of us will survive this game, so yeah let's be friends and party this last day together

Okay sure, I'll go to a party with you tonight.

Gee, I hope nothing bad happens to me while I'm out partying with jtan on Night 20!

Hey, stay back there, I'll mix you a drink

+ Show Spoiler +
Here you go!
[image loading]
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jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
July 22 2008 03:35 GMT
#6730
ok, all jokes aside

you wont take anything I say seriously at this point, but please read this when I'm confirmed innocent by either confirmation of mr Blue's death or by my own death.

I'm going to bed now and the day might be up soon

It is almost certainly going to show that mr Blue is dead, which means he cannot possibly be me however many clues you think you have. Then just make sure you vote KF91 and Hotzhot.

If mr blue is by some magic alive or chuiu bitches with me and don't write the mafias akas day 21, I can't really do anything, I will be lynched. Just make sure KF91 and Hotzhot dies after me. pm people etc.

The case against KF91 as orange is already strong

Case against Hotzhot as blonde, by nemY, page 320:
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 01 2008 15:03 nemY wrote:
-Mr. Blond
+ Show Spoiler +
Day 1
He jumped through the opening towards the door and was almost home free when he was cut off by Mr. Blonde, coming out of nowhere it seemed. He rammed into DapperDan knocking him to the ground. King Brown Snake stepped up to him as DapperDan started getting up. He met him face to face halfway and pushed King Brown Snake out of the way as he proceeded to the door again. He almost made it out until finally someone pumped DapperDan's back full of lead

-displays superhuman speed
-rammed into his target
-possibly? Killed target.

Day 2
Evening seemed to drag on forever as everyone worried over the turn of events the town faced. But when night finally came, the red moon stared them back in the face like a terrifying omen. Nobody knew how or when the mafia would strike, or what their real intentions were if any, but a few were up late losing sleep over it. Over at casa Mynock he was frying himself a late night snack and watching a rerun of the news from earlier that night. He turned around to get something from his fridge when he noticed the lights out in his living room. With great care he crept into the room and searched for the lamp. It was moved onto the table in the center of the room. He switched it on to reveal the man known as Mr. Blonde. Mr. Blonde had braced himself on the ceiling and swooped down from above diving straight into Mynock. As they fell to the ground Mynock struggled to get away, he bashed Mr. Blonde in the face with his elbow as he turned to the right and climbed up only to meet gaze with Mr. Brown. They traded glares and Mynock dodged to the left and headed up his stairs not clearly deciphering the yells that came from behind him or caring. He tried to find the shotgun he had stashed in his closet but only found a smiley in its place. He panicked as he realized his only line of defense against two men was gone and he just about surrendered as Mr. Blonde appeared in the room with the shotgun, Mr. Brown just behind him. He dived toward Mr. Blonde in effort to tackle him but Mynock's attack was cut short as he ate a mouthful of buckshot.
-came down from ceiling
-was bashed in the face by target
-target went to look for his shotgun but found only a smiley “” face in it’s place
-eliminates target with shotgun before target could reach him


Day 5
Mr. Blonde and Mr. White got out of their car, the rest of their hit squad parked on the other side of the building. They had arrived at an office building where they noticed a group of people always worked late. Sure enough there were some cars parked around them. "When is d.arkive supposed to do it?" asked Mr. White, as he leaned against the car and stared at the building in expectation. "I don't know, they just said to wait for their signal" responded Mr. Blonde as he walked a bit closer to the building to get a better look. He could see d.arkive running through some corridors looking for someone, anyone. He found Hittegods. d.arkive ran towards Hittegods as he was examining some photos and hit a button. An explosion ripped apart nearly half of the building and it sent everyone outside ducking for cover as debris flew all over. "Holy shit! I guess we're supposed to go in and find the rest of them now?" said Mr. Blonde after dodging what was left of a door that flew at him. "I don't think we have to" said Mr. White as he pointed at some people getting out of the good half of what was left of the building.

They decided on the first person they saw, xDark.Carnivalx. Mr. Blonde jetted towards him and knocked him to the ground with a punch square in the jaw. xDark.Carnivalx was dazed and still disoriented and shocked from the explosion, but he managed to stumble to his feet only to get kicked down again. The adrenaline was rushing but xDark.Carnivalx was getting frustrated, he looked around for something to use as a weapon and found a shattered pipe. He grabbed it and swung at Mr. Blonde, forcing him to back off and provide time for xDark.Carnivalx to get off the ground. But just as soon as he did Mr. White smashed another pipe laying around in the back of xDark.Carnivalx's head. Another couple blows and xDark.Carnivalx was dead.

-can talk
-dodges the remains of a flying door
-“jets” to his target, again with the super speed
-soundly hits his target twice (one punch, one kick)
-retreats when his target wields a weapon


Day 7
G.s)NarutO was doing monk things in his monk place with his monk friends when he decided it was late and he wanted to go to sleep. On the way to his room he encountered Mr. Blonde. Mr. Blonde mocked G.s)NarutO for his failed attempts at helping the town and then pulled out a gun to kill him. G.s)NarutO wasn't ready to give up on life completely though and thought he could redeem himself by taking out this man for the town. He charged towards Mr. Blonde and tried to grab his gun but Mr. Blonde was a bit faster to respond and shot him twice in the leg. He finished it by shooting G.s)NarutO in the head and made his escape through a window before getting caught by a horde of monks.

-mocks his target for his failures
-wields a gun
-again with the speed, he dodges his target’s attack and injures his target
-eliminates his target with a gunshot to the head


Day 9

Mr. Blonde and Cottonmouth were at AmorVincitOmnia's convenience store right before closing. They wanted everyones attention right away so Mr. Blonde charged through the front door, a move that shattered all the windows. Inside AmorVincitOmnia was cashing Alventenie's purchase and they both immediately looked at Mr. Blonde shocked at what just happened. Both Mr. Blonde and Cottonmouth ran towards them and stabbed each of them through the shoulders with a knife. Mr. Blonde had AmorVincitOmnia pinned up against a wall and Cottonmouth had Alventenie on another. AmorVincitOmnia pushed and shoved and tried to get free but Mr. Blonde stabbed three more knives into each arm and three into each leg. Then to finish him off he stabbed two more into AmorVincitOmnia's chest. Alventenie already exhausted from the day he had put up little resistance as Cottonmouth stabbed three knives in his other arm and each leg. Then stabbed five more in the shape of a pentagon and finally killed off Alventenie.

-charges through the front door, which ends up shattering all the nearby/surrounding windows (assuming this is a convenience store with many windows)
-stabs his target with 15 knifes, 3 in each arm, 3 in each leg, 2 in the chest, and 1 in the original location where he first stabbed his target (3x4)+2+1 = 15
-does not match Cottonmouth’s killing pattern (aside from the 15 knifes, Cottonmouth went 1 in the shoulder, 3 in one arm, 3 in both legs (which is 1+(3x3) = 10), and finished his target with 5 (in the shape of a pentagram) in his target’s chest (15 knifes total)


Day 13
Losing two members that day the mafia decided to pull all the stops and hit the town where it mattered. They were through messing around and Mr. Orange, Eddie, and Mr. Blonde were about to prove that by taking out Fanatacist and Ace once and for all. Ace and Fanatacist were sitting at a desk going over detective files trying to find the remaining few mafia when the three barged into the room. Ace quickly grabbed the phone to call for backup but it was too late as Mr. Orange had landed a dagger right on the phone line cutting him off. Mr. Blonde shot across the room and grabbed all the notes dumping them into a trash bin nearby. He lit a match and set the whole thing on fire hoping this was the last copy the town had to go off. Mr. Orange, Mr. Blonde and Eddie all got out pistols and fired round after round at Ace and Fanatacist who were helpless to stop them. Eddie went up to Ace and he was terrified as Eddie finished him off but firing one last round into his head.

-again with the speed, Mr. Blonde “shoots” across the room
-burns the town’s notes
-pulls out a pistol and finishes the two targets with the combined help from Eddie, and Mr. Orange


Day 15]
Cottonmouth organized a strike force of mafia to take on a few troublesome townies who had the tendency to keep watches at night. With three mafia it would be sufficient enough to take on three regular joes. So he, along with the Wolf and Mr. Blonde, went to Jimtudor's house and broke in. This automatically set off their home made alarm system and the mafia squelched it right after but the damage was done and they were alerted to mafia presence. Supah, Alethios, and Jimtudor got ready with their handmade weapons, aware that most of the time Mafia did not carry weapons favoring to kill without alerting the neighborhood to their presence. Cottonmouth expecting more trouble went back to his car and handed five plumbata's to each of his comrades. Prepared for the fight to come they burst through the basement door and each threw one at their targets. Two missed and one hit a garbage can lid that Supah was using as a shield. The townies made their counter attack, the stairs leading down to the basement collapsed and the mafia came crashing down hard stunning and injuring them. Not enough though as they were able to ward off the crude melee weapons the town had fashioned from a yard rake, a baseball bat, and a broken chain. Mr. Blonde was able to grab a hold of the yard rake Supah was using and kicked it to break it in half, the Wolf grabbed hold of the chain and pulled it out of Jimtudor's hand then flung it to the side and tossed one of his remaining darts in his shoulder, and Cottonmouth deflected Alethios baseball bat and stabbed him in the foot with a dart. Mr. Blonde threw two plumbata's at Supah and then used the broken off rake handle and stabbed him with it, he then finished off Supah by stabbing a dart into his face. The Wolf lunged for the chain and wrapped it around Jimtudor's leg, then he pulled hard and caused him to fall to the ground. Cottonmouth finished off Alethios by stabbing the rest of the darts into his chest. And the three ganged up on Jimtudor and plunged their remaining darts into his face.

-trips the alarm system (well all 3 of them do)
-throws a plumbata but misses all 3 of the targets
-grabs hold of the yard rake his target was using and breaks it in half by kicking it (possibly requiring some speed/force/strength to do this, it’s hard to recreate an accurate visual in my mind of this scene)
-distracts his target by throwing two plumbata’s into at his target and then uses the broken yard rake to stab his target
-finishes his target by stabbing him in the face with a plumbata
-assists his other two mafia members in eliminating the final target when they all stab the remaining darts into the target’s face


Day 17
In the dark shed in ShaLLoW[baY]'s backyard Mr. Blonde gleefully waiting in silence clutching his weapon. ShaLLoW[baY] made his way to the shed slowly inspecting his petunias after the storm had passed. He was shocked to say the least when he opened the door. Mr. Blonde swatting ShaLLoW[baY] with the front end of the yard tool causing him to stumble backward into a trap Mr. Blonde had set of several nails on the ground. Having punctured his foot on a rather rusty one ShaLLoW[baY] began hopping frantically trying to pry the devil from his foot as he screamed in pain. Mr. Blonde used this opportunity to maneuver himself behind his victim and he killed ShaLLoW[baY] in one swift vengeful blow by shoving the rake up his ass.

-“gleefully” waits for his target with his weapon
-sets a trap for his target
-smacks his target with a yard rake causing his target to fall back onto some rusty nails (the trap)
-eliminates his target by raping him with the rake
-kills his target with a “swift vengeful blow” (rape raking), again with the speed and power



My suspect for Mr. Blonde = HotZhot

Why? For a number of reasons

-claims to have known who the true Mr. Blonde is, but has revealed 0 relevant information
-his profile picture comes from an anime, most notably a hentai that GranDim found out on page 184

Show nested quote +
On April 04 2008 12:37 GranDim wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [The Wolf] +
The Wolf and Taipan Snake had followed his near suicidal jump and were on him quick. Taipan Snake automatically knocked him to the ground and proceeded to kick him, being unarmed at the time. The Wolf approached "Sorry Chuiu, I gotta do this I hope you understand" as he pulled out a gun and made his mark on Chuiu's head.

The Wolf interrupted him. "You just need to hit the right spot" he said as he threw the nail down the hallway, it landed square in the back of New104's head and he convulsed as he dropped to the ground, dying less then a minute later.
Traits
- One shot kill
- targets the head

HotZhot is my primary suspect here. Notably because he has such good aim and whatnot. However, i am hesitant to convict him at this stage because of this;
[image loading]

His profile image looks like a wolf person - this means (imo) that he cannot be the character "The Wolf" with such a strong connection to the name. Up to the town i guess!

More on the picture
Its a crop from this wallpaper
[image loading]
The character is from a hentai series http://www.animenfo.com/animetitle,1524,rfykgv,maho_shojo_ai.html (work safe link). However I doubt this has much relevance, unless chuiu is heavily into anime wallpapers or hentai he couldn't have made that link.


most specifically if you read the link you'll notice this,
Show nested quote +
Yuragi noticed Akitoshi and began to attack him. Then, the fighter, Ai, appeared and cut them down.


the fighter comes out of nowhere and eliminates the target, this I feel bodes well with the whole theme of Mr. Blonde displaying superhuman speed.

-his name, HotZhot which can be interpreted to mean "Hot Shot" fits well with the Day 7 and 9 killings, why? Because people who are "Hot Shots" are generally stuck up and full of themselves
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


consider that with Mr. Blonde's mocking of Naruto and his desire to "get everyone's attention in the double murder or Amor and Alvientene"

-the "i only smile in the dark" connects well with Day 2's killing of Mynock and Day 17's killing of Shallow[bay] (gleefully --> smiling in the dark)

-the raping of shallow[bay] connects very well with the overall hentai theme of his profile picture ;/


Flaws

Looking back on it, the smiley face in Day 2 was almost certainly Clazzaquai's doing, his profile quote was something like "me from kirbati, no speak english^^';"
As most everyone on here knows, "^^;" is a korean/anime face for smiling =/

Conclusion

Regardless how you guys feel about this, I think it's safe to say the mirror theory is flawed. Mr. Blonde has yet to directly mirror anyone's actions. I'm still working on a few other viable leads =/



HotZhots voting record ( --- =abstain or no vote)
+ Show Spoiler +

1.---
2.---
3.---
4.---
5.Siefu/EvilMonkey
6.---
7.L/ulzz
8.generalstan
9.DamageControl/Rowdierbob
10.---
11.---
12.--- (said "why is people voting for randombum" in vote thread)
13.--- (said "missed the last vote" in this vote thread even though he posted in prev. thread...a little weird)
14.Bockit
15.---
16.---
17.Somuchbetter
18.nemY
19.Bugztooni
20.---

Participated in some of the votes against mafia, but otherwise voted green (as far as we know now)
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araav
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Armenia1590 Posts
July 22 2008 06:48 GMT
#6731
at@5:00am you will automatically join another party, Bill - ours
The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all.
jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-22 15:37:27
July 22 2008 15:35 GMT
#6732
Ok, there is still a chance for you to change your mind and avoid making a fool of yourselves before sunrise. Reading this objectivly should convince any person I'm green as grass.

First let's think about the meaning of the post on day 18:

Blonde. Blue. Orange. Cottonmouth. These names rang through the heads of every towns person. Many frantically tried to connect them with individuals within their community, many tried to connect them with neighbors. The names conveyed themes. One was a theme of panic. One of haste and arrogance. One of determination and humor. And one of a hidden agenda. Though the town had been making great progress in evicting the mafia from their once peaceful and flourishing town this evening they felt a sharp fear of pain with uncertainty of the remaining criminals.

So we are to pair 4 themes with 4 mafia, if we solve this puzzle we must be able to use the result.

+ Show Spoiler +

themes:
Determination/Humour
Haste/Arrogance
Panic
Hidden Agenda

mafias:
Mr. Blonde
Mr. Blue
Mr. Orange
Cottonmouth



matching it up:

haste/arrogance= Mr. Blonde

+ Show Spoiler [evidence] +


...when he was cut off by Mr. Blonde, coming out of nowhere it seemed. He rammed into DapperDan knocking him to the ground.


"Holy shit! I guess we're supposed to go in and find the rest of them now?" said Mr. Blonde


Mr. Blonde jetted towards him and knocked him to the ground with a punch square in the jaw.


Mr. Blonde and tried to grab his gun but Mr. Blonde was a bit faster to respond and shot him twice in the leg.


Mr. Blonde charged through the front door, a move that shattered all the windows.


Mr. Blonde shot across the room and grabbed all the notes...


no match for Mr. Blondes pure speed as he ran towards him and tackled him to the ground.




Hidden agenda = Cottonmouth
+ Show Spoiler [evidence] +

Cottonmouth was proved to be BWdero 100% (day 18 blue,blonde,orange and cottonmouth was alive in the day-post and day 19 after bwdero was lynched only blue,blonde and orange remained)

chuiu had no good way of giving clues against bwdero since he has no pic/no profile, therefore he only makes one kind of clues against CM: making his number of knives/needles/plumbatas/stones add up to 15 each day

Cottonmouth kills Neax with a total of 15 knives

Cottonmouth kills New104 with 15 nails

Cottonmouth kills Klive5ive with 15 stones

Cottonmouth kills Alventenie with 15 knives

Cottonmouth hands out 5 plumbatas to each of 3 mafia, totally 15

Cottonmouth kills araav with 15 poison needles


This all is a link to BWderos birthday, the 15:th of some month, and his date of joining TL, also the 15:th.

So the only theme conveyed here can be a "hidden agenda"


Determination/Humour = Mr. Blue
+ Show Spoiler [evidence] +


Mr. Blue got in the last word, before they finished up their little meeting, and said "Lets just hope the right mayor gets elected, that would speed things up as the town declares martial law." They all nodded in agreement, but no one knew how the elections tomorrow would turn out.

a lot of determination


Mr. Blue pulled out the secret weapon he always wanted to kill someone with, a chainsaw. He tugged on the chord to get it started and aZnvaLiaNce shot up from his seat instantly and turned around to see the three men standing at the doorway. Mr. Blue lunged toward him aiming for his chest but aZnvaLiaNce dodged to the side and screamed out in pain as the chainsaw shredded down the side of his arm.

Killing a man with a chainsaw is definatly on the humour theme

Mr. Blue was first up, and he was outside the house of fusionsdf. He noticed him in the living room and decided to try to sneak in from the back. All windows locked he tried the back door. When he was left with no other option he decided to kick in the door which alerted fusionsdf.

that takes determination

He grabbed up the umbrella again and stabbed down at fusionsdf

Another humerous kill

The barking came to a stop as blades met their mark on each dogs head killing them all.
determination

Mr. Blue was driving a rather over sized excavator and he grabbed the van from the front to the back and pinned HeRoS)Pink in place as he carried the vehicle to the town dump. HeRoS)Pink was helpless and couldn't move an inch the whole time as Mr. Blue dropped his van into a car shredder. Pretty soon HeRoS)Pink and his van were in tiny pieces.

More humour and some determination

A giant buzzsaw cut in from the side of his house and tore his body apart from the behind. It was overkill, but the mafia were sick and tired of wasting hits on people like rpf.

that's hilarious

His soon-to-be killer jumped from roof to roof waiting for the right moment to strike. When SiZ.Fantasy accidentally dropped the lid to his drink was that moment. He bent over to pick it up, being the good little law abiding citizen he was he, but never got up because as SiZ.Fantasy was doing so a blade sliced him up like confetti.

Determination in preparing the kill

He backed his truck up to the room Fen was in and slid out a huge buzz-saw contraption. With a little alignment and some prep work he flipped a switch and it went to work. Cutting cleanly and swiftly through the wall Fen had no chance to survive or get out of its way.

another funny kill, and a lot of determination with that prep work





Panic = Mr. Orange
+ Show Spoiler [evidence] +


The reoccuring theme of mr Orange is cutting of connections to houses before going in, leaving the victims panicking as they can't use the phones.

also


Mr. Orange shrugged and shot him in the leg. Meta fell to the ground and started screaming for help.


He grabbed a few shards of glass himself and stabbed through useLess's arms with them. Then to finish him off he made long gashes into useLess and left him to bleed to death.

sounds like the panic theme


There are indeed some things that doesn't fit perfectly, but I think this is the far match you can get.

So assuming we got these right, which theme fits infundibulums picture best?
Clearly determination/humour it's a humerous picture with the spinning blades, and the look on the guys face is a look of determination.
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Now which remaining suspect fits the theme of mr. Blonde=haste/arrogance best?
Definatly HotZhot, his pics looks fast (the guy is thin has wings if you look at the uncropped pic) and the look on his face is nothing but arrogance
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and now, let's look at some of Bill's "overwhelming evidence" from a rational perspective
On July 22 2008 07:31 Bill307 wrote:

jtan = Mr.Blue

Day 1: No connections, which worries me a bit. Nevertheless...

what happened to the "everything must fit" attitude?

This fits with infundibulums determination theme


Day 6:
- "Mr. Blue pulled out the secret weapon he always wanted to kill someone with, a chainsaw." A lurker kills with an attack that tears through the enemy, not unlike a chainsaw would tear through a person.

even better would be a propeller like infundibulum has


- "Mr. Blue lunged toward him aiming for his chest but aZnvaLiaNce dodged to the side and screamed out in pain as the chainsaw shredded down the side of his arm." Analogous to a marine attempting to dodge a lurker's spines, but getting caught by the edge. (I hate it when that happens.)
- "Mr. Blue went in for another attack but this time aZnvaLiaNce was quicker and dived past Mr. Blue..." Now this actually matches the scene in jtan's photo, where a marine completely dodges a lurker's spines.
- "...as he broke the chain of the saw on the metal part of the cubicle wall." The lurker spines in the photo end at the cliff wall.

Day 7:
- "Mr. Blue was first up, and he was outside the house of fusionsdf. He noticed him in the living room and decided to try to sneak in from the back. All windows locked he tried the back door. When he was left with no other option he decided to kick in the door which alerted fusionsdf. He ran to the back of his house to see Mr. Blue coming in." This is analogous to the marines attacking the zerg expo in the photo. The expo is at the top of the main (the living room), the cliffs (the locked windows) prevent the marines from coming in any way but the ramp (the back door). In response to the invasion, zerg sends units from the expo to the ramp (fusionsdf runs to the back of his house) where they see the marines coming in (fusionsdf sees Mr. Blue coming in).
- "He stabbed at Mr. Blue and flailed at him trying to fight him off but Mr. Blue evaded the blows." Another evasion scene, similar to the photo though with roles reversed.
- "He broke the handle hitting fusionsdf over the head with it and discarded it. ... He grabbed up the umbrella again and stabbed down at fusionsdf. The tip was enough to do severe damage to fusionsdf, and he stabbed through his chest as if it were nothing." Lurker spines look exactly like umbrellas without their handles. They also tear straight through marines, as if the marines were nothing.

Day 9:
- "He gasped in horror and turned in retreat but found Mr. Blue in his way. MTF panicked, feeling his life in serious danger, and plowed through Mr. Blue toward his car." The verb "plowed" commonly means to dig up ground, e.g. to plow a field for crops. A lurker plows the ground when it burrows. An alternative interpretation is that to run through a lurker, you would have to move through -- or "plow" through -- the ground under which it's burrowed.
- "MTF was almost there when a flying object met contact with his neck and severed his head right off." Analogous to a marine running away from a lurker, but the spines travel faster and catch up to it, killing it. Not to mention the analogy with lurker spines cutting up marines and Mr. Blue cutting up his victims.

This is all really weak especially compared to what I have on infundibulum=mr. blue, you could link anything to anyone if you have vivid imagination enough, and some material to work with. And what cuts off MTF's head comes flying. Whatever it is it has nothing to do with a lurker. I think it is CMS's disc.


Day 10:
- "smurfingchobo was the last the mafia were after that night. He let his dogs out before going to bed and they started barking at something in the yard. Neither smurfingchobo nor the dogs could see who it was but they all heard him moving about." He travels like a lurker: you can hear him moving about the ground (or in the case of a lurker, under the ground) but you cannot see him. The yard is earth that a lurker could burrow under, as well.
- "The barking came to a stop as blades met their mark on each dogs head killing them all. smurfingchobo took a few steps closer to see one of his dogs decapitated from Mr. Blue's blades when he soon met the same fate as they had." Similar to a lurker sending its spines tearing through the dogs like a group of marines, killing them all, then doing the same to their owner.

This story doesn't fit well enough with a lurker, you have to use too much imagination to make it fit.

"Mr. Blue's blades" is so much more closer to infundibulums blades


Day 11:
- "Mr. Blue was driving a rather over sized excavator..." An excavator is a machine that digs holes in the ground, like a lurker is a unit that digs holes in the ground.
- "Pretty soon HeRoS)Pink and his van were in tiny pieces." Like how a marine is shredded to pieces by a lurker.

No an excavator is not at all a lurker, wtf, and they don't necessarily dig holes, this particular excavator was used for putting a car into a carshredder- another reference to infu's blades.


Day 16:
- "But what he didn't expect was someone to kill him without even setting foot in his home. A giant buzzsaw cut in from the side of his house and tore his body apart from the behind." Imagine a lurker attacking a group of marines behind a supply depot wall-in. The spines go straight through the depots and tear apart the marines.

here you are forced to too much imagination again, it's almost embarrasing how you make this into a lurker. Infu's blades is just like a buzz-saw

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it's simply a waaaay stronger connection.

Also since the rare word buzz-saw is specifcly mentioned twice, it is the buzz-saw itself chuiu is hinting at.


Day 18:
- "Amber[LighT] had died first from sharp blades that tore at his skin." Again, like how a marine is killed by lurker spines that tear at his skin.

And again that makes no sense, if chuiu wanted to convey a lurker he wouldn't have said "blades that tore at his skin". On the other hand, if it was infu's kill, it fits perfectly again. You can't deny it.


Day 19:
- I believe the first clue here refers to Mr. Blonde, not Mr. Blue. See my iNfuNdiBuLuM = Mr. Blonde post for details. And thanks to jtan (ironically) for pointing out that "Wind swiftly blew down from overhead" links to the propeller on Mr. Blonde's head, yet another reason to believe this clue points to him and not Mr. Blue.

wat~~
it's clearly mr. Blue's kill because of the blades again. And it is still an incredibly strong clue pointing to infu.


Day 20:
- "Mr. Blue didn't wish to risk getting caught either, the police undoubtedly on their way already, so he went for his stealth kill from outside the building approach. He backed his truck up to the room Fen was in and slid out a huge buzz-saw contraption. With a little alignment and some prep work he flipped a switch and it went to work. Cutting cleanly and swiftly through the wall Fen had no chance to survive or get out of its way." The same situation as Day 16, again analogous to a lurker killing marines by attacking unimpeded through a supply depot wall-in.

Like I said, the buzz-saw is the word he uses again.

Buzz-saw <--> infu's hat = strong connection

Buzz-saw cutting through wall <----> random starcraft scenario in your mind = weak connection.

There's not even a supplydepot in the picture, and all those 4 marines survive


Based on the overwhelming evidence above, we can comfortably conclude that jtan = Mr. Blue.


If any of you truly think this constitutes overwhelming evidence against me, you have totally lost your objectivity on the matter. I would recommend being more careful with that in the future.

It happens so easily in this game that people start bandwagoning on bad clues, and people get more and more suspicious against the accused the more he tries to defend himself, and the more bad evidence that is thrown in. The only way to break that spell is to have some bright guy who looks at the facts objectivly step in and tell everybody that the accused actually might be innocent.

The daypost will probably show I'm innocent, after that you can read this post more carefully.
Enter a Uh
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
July 22 2008 19:56 GMT
#6733
That's quite a lot of determination you have, there.

But seriously, if you're going to argue that infundibulum is Mr. Blue, then you also have to compare your links to the ones between infundibulum and Mr. Blonde, and show that the links to Mr. Blue are stronger -- which I believe they are not.

Furthermore, you would have to re-analyse Mr. Blonde as being HotZhot. Now originally they fit very well together, but after so many references to Mr. Blonde as a big, strong guy, among other things that fit infundibulum a lot better than HotZhot, the connection to HotZhot is a lot weaker than it used to be.

So in addition to showing that infundibulum is more likely to be Mr. Blue than Mr. Blonde, you also have to show HotZhot is more likely to be Mr. Blonde than infundibulum is. IMO, that is not possible.


I have a suspicion that the Day post will contain neither Mr. Blonde nor Mr. Blue. In that case, we should stick to the plan under the assumption that infundibulum was Mr. Blonde. The only case where we should lynch HotZhot over jtan is if Mr. Blonde is explicitly mentioned as being alive on Day 21. And of course, if jtan turns up green then we lynch HotZhot after KF91 -- unless someone steps up to do some detective work that finds a better lynch candidate.
jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
July 22 2008 20:18 GMT
#6734
The connection infundibulum-blonde indeed looks decent, but it matches even better to mr. Blue if you really look into it.

I think that the case hotzhot - mr Blonde is pretty good as it is.

No case to argue over that right now, day will probably show you I'm right.


But I'm interested of what you make of my 4themes-4mafia connections, do you accept them or have any other suggestions?
Enter a Uh
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
July 22 2008 21:01 GMT
#6735
Yeah, I'd say you lined up the themes with those 4 mafia correctly.

I'm not sure how they're useful, though. And infun's photo fits with Mr. Blonde's theme as well. (And the guy is blonde, in addition to wearing a blue shirt. But I don't place any importance on the names, only on the clues. )
Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
July 23 2008 01:57 GMT
#6736
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Qrs came home late at night and though it was pitch black everywhere he still noticed a figure hiding in the corner. The lone mafia pressed himself against the wall poised in position waiting for the right moment to move, little did he know that qrs had noticed him. qrs might have caught on to that but he didn't spend enough time lingering on the subject as he frantically looked for something to defend himself with. But as soon as the mafia was aware his cover was blown he decided it would be best just to strike immediately and flew across the room to qrs dodging around several of his furniture. In a blaze he cut qrs in several places causing him great pain and injury but nothing severe enough to kill him. With his subject aptly crippled the mafioso left his house and over killed qrs with an RPG.

ydg and Bill307 weren't unknown, in fact everyone knew they were new members to the town. Some suspected them as being mafia reinforcements, because no one could honestly think a sane man would come to this town and they had survived one night unharmed. But during the day they were here they stirred quite a ruckus looking for mafia themselves, it seems they were detectives of their own accord looking for work. Well the mafia weren't too pleased with this and now there was one trailing them in the night. They were paroling a neighborhood hoping to catch someone in the act, well they were about to. No sooner did ydg realize they were in trouble to call for help did he drop dead right on the spot, knife through the head. With one taken care of the mafia turned to Bill307 who had a flail with a rather conservative attachment no doubt to knock his foe unconscious instead of kill him. Bill307 took a couple swings but the flail was too slow as the mafia dodged his attack and maneuvered around him. Next to ydg's corpse now the mafia removed his once clean knife and threw it at Bill307's head also.
[noCluesArea]
Time to lynch someone! When voting I would like you to use this thread:

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=75645

No new players today, I may add more next day ... we'll see.
♞
ydg
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States690 Posts
July 23 2008 02:00 GMT
#6737
..AW

GO TOWN
The only courage that matters is the kind that gets you from one moment to the next.
Eti307
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
Canada3442 Posts
July 23 2008 02:24 GMT
#6738
Biiiiiiiillllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
July 23 2008 02:44 GMT
#6739
Je suis fini.
Showtime!
Profile Joined November 2007
Canada2938 Posts
July 23 2008 02:51 GMT
#6740
I didn't know Kill Bill Vol. 3 was out :o
Mini skirt season is right around the corner. ☻
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