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Bill307
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Currently, I have 95% confidence that KF91 = Mr. Orange, and 75% confidence that jtan = Mr. Blue. But that's only because we haven't been as meticulous with jtan's clue analysis compared to KF91's. I'm quite certain that once we take that extra step, my confidence in him being mafia will increase to 95% as well.
In the worst case scenario, if either KF91 or jtan turns up green, then we should lynch HotZhot. Recall the list of people who voted for nemy:
jtan
hotzhot
kf91
infinity21
siz.fantasy
ahrara_
iNfuNdiBuLuM
Since nemy was lynched with a vote count of 7 to 6 (vs bwdero, who really was mafia), we can be all but certain that the remaining 3 mafia voted for nemy. If we cross-reference this list with the list of remaining mafia candidates from the non-Mandalor list, we get:
jtan
hotzhot
kf91
Assuming all 3 mafia voted for nemy (a very likely assumption), we are certain that 2 of these 3 people are mafia.
So in just 3 more mafia days at the most, the town will be victorious. 
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bill trust me, I have been checking clues constantly since my last post
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IMPORTANT PREVIOUS POSTS (in chronological order)
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jtan, I suggest you try to match the clues to either HotZhot (because we are so certain he is mafia if you aren't), Ziel (because his photo is an ultralisk), or DTDominion (DT = dark templar).
I think Ziel / DTDominion should be our "Plan C" if only one of KF91, jtan, and HotZhot turns up red.
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Alright guys, let's wrap up this game once and for all! 
Mr. Blue clues
Day 1:
+ Show Spoiler [Mr. Blue] +Mr. Blue got in the last word, before they finished up their little meeting, and said "Lets just hope the right mayor gets elected, that would speed things up as the town declares martial law." They all nodded in agreement, but no one knew how the elections tomorrow would turn out.
Day 6:
+ Show Spoiler [Mr. Blue] +Things were still not quiet. Joe, Mr. Blue, and California Mountain Snake found aZnvaLiaNce working very late this evening. They intruded into the office buildings he was at and quickly found him doing repetitive boring paperwork in his drab cubicle. Mr. Blue pulled out the secret weapon he always wanted to kill someone with, a chainsaw. He tugged on the chord to get it started and aZnvaLiaNce shot up from his seat instantly and turned around to see the three men standing at the doorway. Mr. Blue lunged toward him aiming for his chest but aZnvaLiaNce dodged to the side and screamed out in pain as the chainsaw shredded down the side of his arm. Mr. Blue went in for another attack but this time aZnvaLiaNce was quicker and dived past Mr. Blue as he broke the chain of the saw on the metal part of the cubicle wall. Joe gave Mr. Blue a thumbs up for effort as he grabbed and held onto aZnvaLiaNce from behind. Joe kept a tight grip as California Mountain Snake took out his own weapon of choice. He sliced clean through aZnvaLiaNce in his chest, his gut, his arms and legs and pretty soon aZnvaLiaNce was a bloody mess, and they left him there to bleed out and die knowing he couldn't do a thing to save himself in the condition he was in.
Day 7:
+ Show Spoiler [Mr. Blue] +Mr. Blue was first up, and he was outside the house of fusionsdf. He noticed him in the living room and decided to try to sneak in from the back. All windows locked he tried the back door. When he was left with no other option he decided to kick in the door which alerted fusionsdf. He ran to the back of his house to see Mr. Blue coming in. fusionsdf knew exactly what was going on and grabbed an umbrella that was sitting by the door. He stabbed at Mr. Blue and flailed at him trying to fight him off but Mr. Blue evaded the blows and grabbed hold of the umbrella and yanked it out of fusionsdf's hands. He broke the handle hitting fusionsdf over the head with it and discarded it. fusionsdf dived forward and tackled Mr. Blue to the ground but Mr. Blue shoved him to the side and quickly got up. He grabbed up the umbrella again and stabbed down at fusionsdf. The tip was enough to do severe damage to fusionsdf, and he stabbed through his chest as if it were nothing. Pretty soon fusionsdf was dead from the beating.
Day 9:
+ Show Spoiler [Mr. Blue] +There was no plan. Five mafia set out tonight to get revenge for those they had lost. MTF was cruising along looking for a friend he had to give a ride home for. What he found was not normal to his eyes. Two men, Eddie and Mr. Orange were holding a man to the ground with their legs and pulling as hard as they could on his arms. MTF screeched to a stop and got out to help the man but it was too late and blood gushed all over the sidewalk as ~OpZ~ was literally disarmed. He gasped in horror and turned in retreat but found Mr. Blue in his way. MTF panicked, feeling his life in serious danger, and plowed through Mr. Blue toward his car. MTF was almost there when a flying object met contact with his neck and severed his head right off.
Day 10:
+ Show Spoiler [Mr. Blue] +smurfingchobo was the last the mafia were after that night. He let his dogs out before going to bed and they started barking at something in the yard. Neither smurfingchobo nor the dogs could see who it was but they all heard him moving about. The barking came to a stop as blades met their mark on each dogs head killing them all. smurfingchobo took a few steps closer to see one of his dogs decapitated from Mr. Blue's blades when he soon met the same fate as they had.
Day 11:
+ Show Spoiler [Mr. Blue] +The last victim of the night was in the same area as the first. Mr. Blue heard from California Mountain Snake about the white vans and killing off a medic so he decided to go in for his own kill. He quickly found HeRoS)Pink sitting alone in his van just listening to the radio. Mr. Blue was driving a rather over sized excavator and he grabbed the van from the front to the back and pinned HeRoS)Pink in place as he carried the vehicle to the town dump. HeRoS)Pink was helpless and couldn't move an inch the whole time as Mr. Blue dropped his van into a car shredder. Pretty soon HeRoS)Pink and his van were in tiny pieces.
Day 16: (probably applies to Mr. Blue)
+ Show Spoiler [no name] +rpf on the other hand was expecting someone, he felt the danger to his life for days and slept very little at night keeping alert and defensive. But what he didn't expect was someone to kill him without even setting foot in his home. A giant buzzsaw cut in from the side of his house and tore his body apart from the behind. It was overkill, but the mafia were sick and tired of wasting hits on people like rpf.
Day 18:
+ Show Spoiler [Mr. Blue] +Blonde. Blue. Orange. Cottonmouth. These names rang through the heads of every towns person. Many frantically tried to connect them with individuals within their community, many tried to connect them with neighbors. The names conveyed themes. One was a theme of panic. One of haste and arrogance. One of determination and humor. And one of a hidden agenda. Though the town had been making great progress in evicting the mafia from their once peaceful and flourishing town this evening they felt a sharp fear of pain with uncertainty of the remaining criminals.
Within the first couple hours of the night the mafia had all made their move. Amber[LighT] had died first from sharp blades that tore at his skin. Pangolin suffocated in his sleep with no chance to even cry for help. And finally ZBiR had taken a sharp dive down a cliff which he never recalled scaling into the ground.
Day 19: (could be Mr. Blonde or Mr. Blue)
+ Show Spoiler [no name] +Wind swiftly blew down from overhead as SiZ.Fantasy left the local 7-11 with his bright blue berry slushie in hand. Little did he know his life was in danger as he walked down the street towards his house. His soon-to-be killer jumped from roof to roof waiting for the right moment to strike. When SiZ.Fantasy accidentally dropped the lid to his drink was that moment. He bent over to pick it up, being the good little law abiding citizen he was he, but never got up because as SiZ.Fantasy was doing so a blade sliced him up like confetti.
Day 20:
+ Show Spoiler [Mr. Blue] +Mr. Blue didn't wish to risk getting caught either, the police undoubtedly on their way already, so he went for his stealth kill from outside the building approach. He backed his truck up to the room Fen was in and slid out a huge buzz-saw contraption. With a little alignment and some prep work he flipped a switch and it went to work. Cutting cleanly and swiftly through the wall Fen had no chance to survive or get out of its way.
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You have the wrong kill for Day 19. Mr. Blue is + Show Spoiler +Wind swiftly blew down from overhead as SiZ.Fantasy left the local 7-11 with his bright blue berry slushie in hand. Little did he know his life was in danger as he walked down the street towards his house. His soon-to-be killer jumped from roof to roof waiting for the right moment to strike. When SiZ.Fantasy accidentally dropped the lid to his drink was that moment. He bent over to pick it up, being the good little law abiding citizen he was he, but never got up because as SiZ.Fantasy was doing so a blade sliced him up like confetti.
Anyway, it's quite clear that Mr. Blue is a lurker: Day 6: chainsaw = row of blades = lurker spines. Second attack is dodged: lurker is the only unit whose attack can be dodged. Day 7: umbrella tip = blade again. Day 9: Mr. Blue = ambushing to cut off retreat: somewhat lurker-like. Day 10: row of blades kill multiple things simultaneously: killer is not seen. Day 11: blades (of a different sort); killer not seen. Day 12: row of blades; killer not seen. Day 18: hidden agenda=not seen. Day 19: blade kill; not seen. Day 20: row of blades; killer not seen. FWIW, MoC and others noticed this theme long before there was so much evidence for it.
edit: ah, I didn't see your DT theory. That would also be a good fit for blades + not seen.
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Voting patterns of current Mr. Blue suspects
Suspects:
- DTDominion: name contains "DT"
- HotZhot: voted for nemy but not linked to any Mr. Blue clues yet
- jtan: photo shows a lurker attacking marines which dodge out of the way
- Ziel: photo shows the ultralisk icon
I've also included KF91's (Mr. Orange's) and [red]iNfuNdiBuLuM[red]'s (Mr. Blonde's) voting patterns.
+ Show Spoiler [voting patterns for all 20 days] +
Day 1 (voting for mayor):
DTDominion - none
HotZhot - abstain
iNfuNdiBuLuM - randombum
jtan - none
KF91 - none
Ziel - ghar
Elected: Ace (30)
Next highest: randombum (28)
Day 2:
DTDominion - none
HotZhot - abstain
iNfuNdiBuLuM - Mandalor
jtan - none
KF91 - Hittegods
Ziel - none
Lynched: Mandalor (58)
Next highest: ghar (7)
Day 3 (double lynch):
DTDominion - none
HotZhot - abstain
iNfuNdiBuLuM - ghar and Showtime!
jtan - none
KF91 - abstain
Ziel - abstain
Lynched: wurm (35) and ghar (30)
Next highest: bumatlarge (11) and Showtime! (11)
Day 4:
DTDominion - none
HotZhot - none
iNfuNdiBuLuM - none
jtan - none
KF91 - abstain
Ziel - none
Lynched: TranceStorm (13)
Next highest: araav (3)
Day 5 (double lynch):
DTDominion - none
HotZhot - Siefu and Evilmonkey.
iNfuNdiBuLuM - none
jtan - none
KF91 - none
Ziel - none
Lynched: Siefu (a lot) and Evilmonkey. (a lot)
Next highest: suresh0t (3)
Day 6:
DTDominion - none
HotZhot - none
iNfuNdiBuLuM - crazie-penguin
jtan - none
KF91 - L
Ziel - none
Lynched: crazie-penguin (21)
Next highest: L (10)
Note: clazziquai and crazie-penguin also voted for L
Day 7 (double lynch):
DTDominion - none
HotZhot - L and Ulszz
iNfuNdiBuLuM - none
jtan - none
KF91 - none
Ziel - none
Lynched: L (34) and Ulszz (27)
Next highest: suresh0t (2)
Day 8 (double lynch):
DTDominion - none
HotZhot - none
iNfuNdiBuLuM - LoStYouRSkiLLS and ieatkids5
jtan - none
KF91 - LoStYouRSkiLLS
Ziel - none
Lynched: LoStYouRSkiLLS (36) and ieatkids5 (26)
Next highest: clazziquai (3)
Day 9:
DTDominion - none
HotZhot - GeneralStan
iNfuNdiBuLuM - GeneralStan
jtan - none
KF91 - GeneralStan
Ziel - none
Lynched: GeneralStan (28)
Next highest: many people (1)
Day 10 (double lynch):
DTDominion - none
HotZhot - DamageControl and RowdierBob
iNfuNdiBuLuM - DamageControl
jtan - none
KF91 - DamageControl and Ninja4ever.
Ziel - none
Lynched: DamageControL (24) and Unforgiven_ve (17)
Next highest: Ninja4ever.(8)
Note: Unforgiven_ve, Bockit, clazziquai, BWdero, and SpiritoftheTuna all voted for Ninja4ever.
Note: no one else voted for RowdierBob
Day 11:
DTDominion - none
HotZhot - none
iNfuNdiBuLuM - none
jtan - none
KF91 - none
Ziel - none
Lynched: clazziquai (18)
Next highest: suresh0t (2) and nemy (2)
Note: BuGzlToOnl has been voting for nemy for pretty much the entire game.
Day 12 (double lynch):
DTDominion - none
HotZhot - none
iNfuNdiBuLuM - none
jtan - LTT and SpiritoftheTuna
KF91 - none
Ziel - none
Lynched: LTT (25) and SpiritoftheTuna (24)
Next highest: 0cz3c (1) and nemy (1)
Day 13:
DTDominion - none
HotZhot - none
iNfuNdiBuLuM - abstain
jtan - randombum
KF91 - randombum
Ziel - none
Lynched: randombum (20)
Next highest: nemy (2)
Note: the only known mafia to vote on this day was iNfuNdiBuLuM, and he explicitly abstained.
Day 14:
DTDominion - none
HotZhot - Bockit
iNfuNdiBuLuM - none
jtan - Bockit
KF91 - none
Ziel - none
Lynched: Bockit (12)
Next highest: nemy (2)
Note: just like Day 13, the only known mafia to vote on this day was iNfuNdiBuLuM, and he explicitly abstained.
Day 15:
DTDominion - none
HotZhot - none
iNfuNdiBuLuM - 0cz3c
jtan - 0cz3c
KF91 - 0cz3c
Ziel - none
Lynched: 0cz3c (15)
Next highest: nemy (1)
Note: suresh0t also voted for 0cz3c.
Day 16:
DTDominion - none
HotZhot - none
iNfuNdiBuLuM - none
jtan - nemy
KF91 - suresh0t
Ziel - none
Lynched: suresh0t (8)
Next highest: nemy (4)
Note: KF91 voted after it was already 7-4 and about to move to night.
Note: suresh0t also voted for nemy.
Day 17:
DTDominion - none
HotZhot - SoMuchBetter
iNfuNdiBuLuM - str
jtan - nemy
KF91 - none
Ziel - none
Lynched: str (7)
Next highest: nemy (2)
Day 18:
DTDominion - none
HotZhot - nemy
iNfuNdiBuLuM - nemy
jtan - nemy
KF91 - nemy
Ziel - none
Lynched: nemy (7)
Next highest: bwdero (6)
Day 19:
DTDominion - none
HotZhot - BuGzlToOnl
iNfuNdiBuLuM - none
jtan - none
KF91 - none
Ziel - none
Lynched: bwdero (5)
Next highest: Fen (1), BuGzlToOnl (1), and KF91 (1)
Day 20:
DTDominion - none
HotZhot - none
iNfuNdiBuLuM - jtan, then CDRdude
jtan - none
KF91 - iNfuNdiBuLuM
Ziel - none
Lynched: iNfuNdiBuLuM (11)
Next highest: CDRdude (2)
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Bill307
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The first thing that jumps out is ROFL @ KF91's and iNfuNdiBuLuM's voting patterns! Talk about voting like a mafioso.  In particular, look at Day 10 where 5/8 of Ninja4ever.'s votes came from known mafia, and KF91 voted for DamageControl and Ninja4ever.
I think the odds that KF91 is mafia must be like 99% or more, now. qrs and ydg, do you guys agree that we should lynch KF91 first?
Moving on, jtan's voting pattern doesn't exactly clear his name. He did vote to lynch 5 mafia, true, but they were 100% going to get lynched, anyway. Even KF91 and iNfuNdiBuLuM were voting for fellow mafia at that point.
HotZhot's voting pattern looks weird more than anything else. Somewhat incriminating, too. It definitely doesn't clear him from suspicion, but unlike jtan, he doesn't have a horde of clues pointing at him.
Lastly, DTDominion and Ziel appear to have been completely inactive for the entire game.
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On July 21 2008 07:45 qrs wrote:You have the wrong kill for Day 19. Mr. Blue is + Show Spoiler +Wind swiftly blew down from overhead as SiZ.Fantasy left the local 7-11 with his bright blue berry slushie in hand. Little did he know his life was in danger as he walked down the street towards his house. His soon-to-be killer jumped from roof to roof waiting for the right moment to strike. When SiZ.Fantasy accidentally dropped the lid to his drink was that moment. He bent over to pick it up, being the good little law abiding citizen he was he, but never got up because as SiZ.Fantasy was doing so a blade sliced him up like confetti. The wave of stones is Cottonmouth. Anyway, it's quite clear that Mr. Blue is a lurker: Day 6: chainsaw = row of blades = lurker spines. Second attack is dodged: lurker is the only unit whose attack can be dodged. Day 7: umbrella tip = blade again. Day 9: Mr. Blue = ambushing to cut off retreat: somewhat lurker-like. Day 10: row of blades kill multiple things simultaneously: killer is not seen. Day 11: blades (of a different sort); killer not seen. Day 12: row of blades; killer not seen. Day 18: hidden agenda=not seen. Day 19: blade kill; not seen. Day 20: row of blades; killer not seen. FWIW, MoC and others noticed this theme long before there was so much evidence for it. edit: ah, I didn't see your DT theory. That would also be a good fit for blades + not seen.
My assumption was that SiZ.Fantasy's killing was done by Mr. Blonde. Hopping across rooftops might mean flying, and "a blade sliced him up like confetti" sounds like what would happen if Mr. Blonde sliced you up with his propeller blade. But I agree the last part can apply to Mr. Blue as well. (Does Chuiu do "dual meaning" clues?  )
I didn't follow the clues between Cottonmouth and bwdero, but thanks for letting me know. I've updated my list of clues appropriately.
Something I noticed in Mr. Blue's clues that no one has talked about yet is his recent theme of using large machinery:
- Day 11: he uses "a rather over sized excavator".
- Day 16: he uses "a giant buzzsaw".
- Day 20: he uses "a huge buzz-saw contraption"
I think we need to find a way to link this theme to jtan (or someone else). Until then, I'm still not convinced that jtan is Mr. Blue.
Also, we need to figure this stuff out tonight. Now that everyone on the Showtime! and Mandalor lists has been proven innocent, the mafia have no reason to keep qrs alive. Furthermore, once qrs, ydg, and myself are all dead, there might be no one left to analyse the clues!
Time is running out for the mafia, but it is also running out for us...
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I wish somebody else posted this; since I'm a suspect chances are people will just ignore it (like I did with nemY when I was sure he was mafia)- so please try to keep an open mind. Look at the facts and make up your own mind.
thanks for the mr blue quotes bill; I can make a pretty good case that mr. blue is none other than DTdominion
First note: Reading all of mr blue's text with a dt in mind, it makes a LOT more sense. Those guys have blades and slices stuff, lurkers don't.
just look at the clues
smurfingchobo was the last the mafia were after that night. He let his dogs out before going to bed and they started barking at something in the yard. Neither smurfingchobo nor the dogs could see who it was but they all heard him moving about. The barking came to a stop as blades met their mark on each dogs head killing them all. smurfingchobo took a few steps closer to see one of his dogs decapitated from Mr. Blue's blades when he soon met the same fate as they had.
You cant see dts but when they are "moving about" you know they are there.
Also blades are mentioned twice.
Mr. Blue was first up, and he was outside the house of fusionsdf. He noticed him in the living room and decided to try to sneak in from the back. All windows locked he tried the back door. When he was left with no other option he decided to kick in the door which alerted fusionsdf. He ran to the back of his house to see Mr. Blue coming in. fusionsdf knew exactly what was going on and grabbed an umbrella that was sitting by the door. He stabbed at Mr. Blue and flailed at him trying to fight him off but Mr. Blue evaded the blows and grabbed hold of the umbrella and yanked it out of fusionsdf's hands. He broke the handle hitting fusionsdf over the head with it and discarded it. fusionsdf dived forward and tackled Mr. Blue to the ground but Mr. Blue shoved him to the side and quickly got up. He grabbed up the umbrella again and stabbed down at fusionsdf. The tip was enough to do severe damage to fusionsdf, and he stabbed through his chest as if it were nothing. Pretty soon fusionsdf was dead from the beating.
the first part sounds like a perfect analogy for a dt trying to sneak into the terran main. The dt can't get in and starts to attack the wall "which alerted fusiondf". Just like in starcraft, and it fits really nice.
second part: so he discarded the handle off the umbrella; what's left of the umbrella should look a lot like a protoss blade. I mean why would chuiu write that if it wasn't a clue.
"as if it were nothing" because its a 40 damage warp blaaade
Things were still not quiet. Joe, Mr. Blue, and California Mountain Snake found aZnvaLiaNce working very late this evening. They intruded into the office buildings he was at and quickly found him doing repetitive boring paperwork in his drab cubicle. Mr. Blue pulled out the secret weapon he always wanted to kill someone with, a chainsaw. He tugged on the chord to get it started and aZnvaLiaNce shot up from his seat instantly and turned around to see the three men standing at the doorway. Mr. Blue lunged toward him aiming for his chest but aZnvaLiaNce dodged to the side and screamed out in pain as the chainsaw shredded down the side of his arm. Mr. Blue went in for another attack but this time aZnvaLiaNce was quicker and dived past Mr. Blue as he broke the chain of the saw on the metal part of the cubicle wall. Joe gave Mr. Blue a thumbs up for effort as he grabbed and held onto aZnvaLiaNce from behind. Joe kept a tight grip as California Mountain Snake took out his own weapon of choice. He sliced clean through aZnvaLiaNce in his chest, his gut, his arms and legs and pretty soon aZnvaLiaNce was a bloody mess, and they left him there to bleed out and die knowing he couldn't do a thing to save himself in the condition he was in.
running up to someone and cutting him with a chainsaw is a lot like running up and slice someone with a warpblade.
why did the chain go off from the chainsaw? because it looks more like a warpblade that way?
Again, chain going off from chainsaw is such an odd event that it has to mean something.
Within the first couple hours of the night the mafia had all made their move. Amber[LighT] had died first from sharp blades that tore at his skin. Pangolin suffocated in his sleep with no chance to even cry for help. And finally ZBiR had taken a sharp dive down a cliff which he never recalled scaling into the ground.
more blades
Mr. Blue didn't wish to risk getting caught either, the police undoubtedly on their way already, so he went for his stealth kill from outside the building approach. He backed his truck up to the room Fen was in and slid out a huge buzz-saw contraption. With a little alignment and some prep work he flipped a switch and it went to work. Cutting cleanly and swiftly through the wall Fen had no chance to survive or get out of its way.
more stealth
Wind swiftly blew down from overhead as SiZ.Fantasy left the local 7-11 with his bright blue berry slushie in hand. Little did he know his life was in danger as he walked down the street towards his house. His soon-to-be killer jumped from roof to roof waiting for the right moment to strike. When SiZ.Fantasy accidentally dropped the lid to his drink was that moment. He bent over to pick it up, being the good little law abiding citizen he was he, but never got up because as SiZ.Fantasy was doing so a blade sliced him up like confetti.
jumping from roof to roof can only refer to ninjas, theres nothing else. And dt's = ninjas.
and more blades and slicing.
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Mr blue has also used buzz-saws twice to tear through buildings. I'm not sure what's up with that, it has to be some kind of clue. Perhaps a referance to dt's slicing up buildings but that one feels weak, it probably means something else.
I'm also intrigued by this quote
Mr. Blue got in the last word, before they finished up their little meeting, and said "Lets just hope the right mayor gets elected, that would speed things up as the town declares martial law." They all nodded in agreement, but no one knew how the elections tomorrow would turn out.
it has to mean something that it's mr Blue saying that, but I have no idea.
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The EndOn July 21 2008 08:20 Bill307 wrote:I think the odds that KF91 is mafia must be like 99% or more, now. qrs and ydg, do you guys agree that we should lynch KF91 first?
Honestly, I don't think it matters anymore. We've pretty much wrapped it up now. KF91 is presumably Mr. Orange. Mr. Blue is probably jtan (rows of blades and missed attacks fit lurkers better than DTs); if he turns out to be innocent, DTDominion is our backup. No way Mr. Blue is an ultralisk; that would not fit the stealth theme in the least. I don't see HotZhot as a major suspect, although I know that you do (if the primary suspects flip green). In the worst case scenario that we are wrong about everything, we know without any doubt at all that the two remaining mafiosi come from this list:+ Show Spoiler +HotZhot
Dr.Dragoon
Puosu
KF91
Kuja900
KorvspaD
Ziel
jtan
RowdierBob
DTDominion
BuGzlToOnl
Not much more to say. This is probably my last post.
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seriously qrs, if you hadn't already made up your mind that I was mafia you would see that a dt fits much better to all of the clues, I mean read it again, you are only gonna come off as an idiot when you lynch me and lose me + 3 of towns best detectives, we can't afford it
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Good try jtan, but I agree that it's over.
The only thing that might be a curveball is if infun wasn't Blonde but was Blue. We'll just see at Day.
What we need is VOTERS!
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qrs, you put way too much confidence in jtan = Mr. Blue. Why are you rushing this when we still have to explain why Mr. Blue used large machines, to name one clue aspect that hasn't been linked with jtan?
I'm going to look at Mr. Blue = DTDominion either now, or after my friend comes over and goes home.
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On July 21 2008 09:51 ydg wrote:
The only thing that might be a curveball is if infun wasn't Blonde but was Blue. We'll just see at Day.
No, we won't "see at Day" because in all likelihood we'll be dead.
And you guys aren't listening to me -_-. How many times do I have to point out that Mr. Blue uses large machines in the later days to do his killing? That's obviously a clue. But how does it relate to jtan, or anyone? If we cannot find a link, then there's a good chance that we are WRONG.
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Bill307
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Here's something to get the ball rolling: Dominion Construction
http://www.dominionco.com/
Saying that's the link between large machines and DTDominion is a stretch, but it's the best we've got so far. Then again, KF91 and Mr. Orange was a stretch at first, but then ydg's clever interpretation of "91" changed everything. ydg, think you can pull out a similar feat for Mr. Blue?
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Well, I wasn't going to post again, but since I'm directly addressed...
1) The reasons I prefer lurkers to DTs for Mr. Blue:
-chainsaws and buzzsaws = rows of blades
-aznvaliance dodges his attack
-he often remains unseen--but not always
2) Large machinery: Don't think it's a clue, personally:
-the largeness can be explained as a way for him to pick up cars, slice into houses (thus killing without being seen)
-if it is a clue, we have yet to tie it to anyone, DTDominion included. edit: wrote that before bill's last post, which offers a rather strained connection to Dominion
3) If jtan turns out to be innocent, we just turn around and lynch DTDominion. We lose one night. At this point, no big deal.
I don't mind voting for KF91 first, though.
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I am pissed right now lol, I find a lot of clues and you are like "nice try but we don't fall for that one". It's extreeeeeemly frustrating from my perspective.
This game is not at all over, I actually think we have a great chance of loosing if the following happens:
KF91 turns green (very unlikely imo, the cut off clue is really good, but there IS always a chance)
After that you will probably lynch me in some kind of desperation. In that case 2 innocents dead, and mafia gets to kill SIX townies. Take away the six that makes the bests argument in this thread and we have pretty much lost.
Therefore, this is the time to activate and try to get all the connections right, not to stop posting.
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bill is right
I know I'm not mr blue, but I'm far from sure DTdominion is either.
Until we got good matches for all clues there's still chance to fail horribly.
Also, what's that about picking up a car and putting it into a car-shredder, that's another of these machine things, it just has to have a meaning
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EPT
