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On October 17 2013 23:31 Skanjab1s wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 23:18 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 17 2013 23:10 LastArgument wrote:
Just to be completely clear, Hopeless - you don't have any specific scumreads at the moment? Nothing that I'd be confident in any case I tried to make, no. skanj is still my strongest read, but thats a relative term. I'd rather lynch VA with his jokes to see yamato squirm at this point. I am your strongest scumread? You told me to cool off, because you thought I was getting overwhelmed and it seemed "too easy". This implies that you had a town read on me, obviously.You then give me additional "points" for the case I made. And now I am a scumread of yours? I'm sorry but I don't follow this faulty logic of yours, please explain.
False: The implication of asking you to cool off is that I'm second guessing myself. It was still a scum read, but in the last game I played, I got too nitpicky and then tunneled a fellow townie rather unproductively. I'd rather lay off for a bit, cool off myself and see what you come back with. Your response to my request to read Yamato's filter looks like a tunneled townie who insists on being right, which is kind of what I expected.
On October 17 2013 23:41 yamato77 wrote:
Well, at least this idiotic push if me gives me a read on you.
Well don't keep us in suspense....he's 3-headed Fluffy isnt he
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On October 17 2013 23:41 yamato77 wrote:
Well, at least this idiotic push if me gives me a read on you.
"Hey, maybe if I just ignore the case and insult him, he will stop attacking me" - #yamato2013
I mean you can refuse to answer it if you want, it will only result in you looking scummier and inevitably being lynched.
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LA, any comment on my supposed town mentality when it comes to policy?
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On October 17 2013 23:45 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 23:31 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 17 2013 23:18 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 17 2013 23:10 LastArgument wrote:
Just to be completely clear, Hopeless - you don't have any specific scumreads at the moment? Nothing that I'd be confident in any case I tried to make, no. skanj is still my strongest read, but thats a relative term. I'd rather lynch VA with his jokes to see yamato squirm at this point. I am your strongest scumread? You told me to cool off, because you thought I was getting overwhelmed and it seemed "too easy". This implies that you had a town read on me, obviously.You then give me additional "points" for the case I made. And now I am a scumread of yours? I'm sorry but I don't follow this faulty logic of yours, please explain. False: The implication of asking you to cool off is that I'm second guessing myself. It was still a scum read, but in the last game I played, I got too nitpicky and then tunneled a fellow townie rather unproductively. I'd rather lay off for a bit, cool off myself and see what you come back with. Your response to my request to read Yamato's filter looks like a tunneled townie who insists on being right, which is kind of what I expected. Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 23:41 yamato77 wrote:
Well, at least this idiotic push if me gives me a read on you. Well don't keep us in suspense....he's 3-headed Fluffy isnt he
Oh, the response where I actually read his filter and see that it is different to this game? Sure buddy.
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Bitch I'm giving you a townread. Do you not want it?
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On October 17 2013 23:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
LA, any comment on my supposed town mentality when it comes to policy?
What supposed town mentality? You've simply asserted that magically you now like policy lynching having been staunchly against it previously in your town career.
On October 17 2013 23:29 Hopeless1der wrote:
quotes that are literally MONTHS ago, and I've taken a rather long break from mafia. My stance on policy votes can't have changed? Not only that, but the first quote was in regards to a specific player, simply for existing (grush). For the 2nd quote, pressure =\= policy.
This even misrepresents your own quotation, as the quotation in question clearly puts you against policy lynches in general, even though it was applied to one player at the time. Reading the quotation, you are obviously talking in general terms.
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On October 17 2013 23:41 Pandain wrote:
If a pm circle rises, it must be used with utmost caution.
People need to contribute to the thread.
???
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On October 17 2013 23:41 yamato77 wrote:
Well, at least this idiotic push if me gives me a read on you.
I don't think it proves anything, never really see mafia go after vets. Especially with weak reasoning and when they're all alone, its just a lone townie trying to lynch you.
Mocsta and Yamato are my two strongest town reads. Mocsta because every single thing he's posted so far I've liked and he's not spamming the thread while still having an influence. Yamato because he is being his townie self without the incessant spam, and I heavily disagree that he isn't pushing people. You don't have to vote someone to push them.
Rayne I cannot see how you read Vayne. When he's not contributing you think he's town and when he does contribute you think he's scum. He has already put more effort into the game then the first two days of the Thug.
I am not sure of the alignment of Vayne, but there are better people to go after for a lynch especially when there are already suspicious people.
Skanjab, you are tunneling Yamato and reading into things. He doesn't have to exactly fit with his town meta to be town, heck he was playing his scum meta up until the second day of play in Thug and he was town. Also why /would you lynch a potentially very valuable vet?
We should lynch Palmar if he doesn't shape up for worst post he could have made; absolutely nothing of interest would have come out of that statement. This is exactly his scum play in Thug playing bullshit fake contribution which isn't original or innovative.
Stutters hasn't posted in forever, Ceriph is of course a good lynch.
Keeping mine on Mattchew because I actually have reasons but am interested to see three votes on Vayne
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On October 17 2013 23:49 LastArgument wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 23:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
LA, any comment on my supposed town mentality when it comes to policy? What supposed town mentality? You've simply asserted that magically you now like policy lynching having been staunchly against it previously in your town career. Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 23:29 Hopeless1der wrote:
quotes that are literally MONTHS ago, and I've taken a rather long break from mafia. My stance on policy votes can't have changed? Not only that, but the first quote was in regards to a specific player, simply for existing (grush). For the 2nd quote, pressure =\= policy. This even misrepresents your own quotation, as the quotation in question clearly puts you against policy lynches in general, even though it was applied to one player at the time. Reading the quotation, you are obviously talking in general terms.
Okay LA, lets try again. From the same quote:
On January 03 2013 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 07:04 Lazermonkey wrote:
So, anyone feel like policy lynching grush just for the lulz? He is going to troll the game 24/7 no matter what alignment he gets... I will have nothing to do with a policy lynch on any specific player. If a player warrants such treatment, they shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place. You may not like grush's playstyle, but I don't find it entirely devoid of reason or thinking. I am willing to go after lurkers, but that's about as far as I am concerned with policy.@wbg voters: dafuq?
See the red. Your rebuttal?
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On October 17 2013 23:50 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 23:41 Pandain wrote:
If a pm circle rises, it must be used with utmost caution.
People need to contribute to the thread. ???
Isn't that post scummy?
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I'd rather not have the read: "tunnelled townie who insists on being right".
It should be edited to: "tunnelling townie who is closing in on scum".
Thxbbz.
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Heck a player doesn't even have to play to his meta, it's honestly only a slight tell at best.
Meta is way over used in lynches.
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On October 17 2013 23:49 LastArgument wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 23:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
LA, any comment on my supposed town mentality when it comes to policy? What supposed town mentality? You've simply asserted that magically you now like policy lynching having been staunchly against it previously in your town career. Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 23:29 Hopeless1der wrote:
quotes that are literally MONTHS ago, and I've taken a rather long break from mafia. My stance on policy votes can't have changed? Not only that, but the first quote was in regards to a specific player, simply for existing (grush). For the 2nd quote, pressure =\= policy. This even misrepresents your own quotation, as the quotation in question clearly puts you against policy lynches in general, even though it was applied to one player at the time. Reading the quotation, you are obviously talking in general terms.
Do you really think that two posts in different contexts mean that he always has to be against policy lynches?
Even if it hinted at that, couldn't he change?
Why are you voting him, is it just for that.
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On October 17 2013 23:54 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 23:49 LastArgument wrote:On October 17 2013 23:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
LA, any comment on my supposed town mentality when it comes to policy? What supposed town mentality? You've simply asserted that magically you now like policy lynching having been staunchly against it previously in your town career. On October 17 2013 23:29 Hopeless1der wrote:
quotes that are literally MONTHS ago, and I've taken a rather long break from mafia. My stance on policy votes can't have changed? Not only that, but the first quote was in regards to a specific player, simply for existing (grush). For the 2nd quote, pressure =\= policy. This even misrepresents your own quotation, as the quotation in question clearly puts you against policy lynches in general, even though it was applied to one player at the time. Reading the quotation, you are obviously talking in general terms. Do you really think that two posts in different contexts mean that he always has to be against policy lynches? Even if it hinted at that, couldn't he change? Why are you voting him, is it just for that.
I suggest you read my filter.
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On October 17 2013 23:51 Pandain wrote:
Skanjab, you are tunneling Yamato and reading into things. He doesn't have to exactly fit with his town meta to be town, heck he was playing his scum meta up until the second day of play in Thug and he was town. Also why /would you lynch a potentially very valuable vet?
Tunneling is my style. Reading into things is the way I roll, baby. I do not let off my scumreads because they "could be valuable" or because they are vets.
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On October 17 2013 23:54 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 23:49 LastArgument wrote:On October 17 2013 23:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
LA, any comment on my supposed town mentality when it comes to policy? What supposed town mentality? You've simply asserted that magically you now like policy lynching having been staunchly against it previously in your town career. On October 17 2013 23:29 Hopeless1der wrote:
quotes that are literally MONTHS ago, and I've taken a rather long break from mafia. My stance on policy votes can't have changed? Not only that, but the first quote was in regards to a specific player, simply for existing (grush). For the 2nd quote, pressure =\= policy. This even misrepresents your own quotation, as the quotation in question clearly puts you against policy lynches in general, even though it was applied to one player at the time. Reading the quotation, you are obviously talking in general terms. Do you really think that two posts in different contexts mean that he always has to be against policy lynches? Even if it hinted at that, couldn't he change? Why are you voting him, is it just for that.
LastArgument thinks he caught me with my pants down because I initially argued in favor of Mocsta wanting to withhold the house playerlists with panicked and poorly thought out reasoning and explanations. The fact that I've changed my mind shows that I'm scum trying to get out of the confrontation and sweep things under the rug hoping no one looks further. But not LA though, hes a smart cookie, that one..
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Echelon is painting red all over himself.
On October 17 2013 18:34 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 07:10 I-be-Pro wrote:On October 17 2013 07:05 supersoft wrote:On October 17 2013 07:01 You-Know-Who wrote:
No more posting from QTs! Last warning.
Ange what where it that rule? you only said that posting PMs is forbidden... :-o It's okay though... I guess everyone should now talk in this thread. Use your QTs only for the absolute necessary things please. I need to see everything you're talking to be able to get a proper image of you. It's in towns best interest to share as many information as possible. I'm going to keep spamming in my QT. I treat my house QT as a nice chat with people to get a better read on them in person through casual chit chat. I can't just spam that much in here... I'm keeping it that way and I don't think you need to know when we're joking about the host being a german female and all that. Rather be happy that some people have additional info they'd otherwise not have if they're willing to put in some time that way. I really, really dislike this. The QT's are basically imperfect mason circles; while a mason circle with confirmed townies is extremely powerful to bounce reads off one another, one that almost definitely has scum in it is very open to manipulation. Any interesting information (people's town lists anyone?) that is listed in a QT, but not in the thread will still make it to the scum, giving them an edge. The QTs are also inferior compared to PM circles, as you can pick and choose who you PM and try to get share information only with people you believe to be town. The majority of the activity should be in thread. I don't doubt that Toad will be active in the thread, but hidden information in QTs is decisively negative. I'm also still considering if the town as a whole should decide on how to use the prizes from challenges or not; putting it up to a town vote would 1.) generate healthy discussion, 2.)allow the town to have more control how these power items will be used.
What does this post do? It's a whole bunch of words but no end impact and it would never have impact. It is also negative and discourages people from QT play, which is bad.
ET has 5 other people he can start to harass and question in thread, and he says woah that's too dangerous.
On October 17 2013 20:09 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 20:04 LastArgument wrote:On October 17 2013 20:03 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
In other news. VA is playing his scum meta in the QT. What is his scum meta? This statement is useless without qualification. This clearly articulates why I dislike the QT activity that does not get fully transferred over to thread
Why? If I can confirm a whole house or lynch the scum in it, that's a town circle right there.
QT activity can win this game and we should keep them active.
I also don't like how he started to get the "dumb" response to Mocsta by saying "Are you kidding me".
Responses like that indicate you feel threatened so you go after the other person
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On October 17 2013 23:54 LastArgument wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 23:54 Pandain wrote:On October 17 2013 23:49 LastArgument wrote:On October 17 2013 23:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
LA, any comment on my supposed town mentality when it comes to policy? What supposed town mentality? You've simply asserted that magically you now like policy lynching having been staunchly against it previously in your town career. On October 17 2013 23:29 Hopeless1der wrote:
quotes that are literally MONTHS ago, and I've taken a rather long break from mafia. My stance on policy votes can't have changed? Not only that, but the first quote was in regards to a specific player, simply for existing (grush). For the 2nd quote, pressure =\= policy. This even misrepresents your own quotation, as the quotation in question clearly puts you against policy lynches in general, even though it was applied to one player at the time. Reading the quotation, you are obviously talking in general terms. Do you really think that two posts in different contexts mean that he always has to be against policy lynches? Even if it hinted at that, couldn't he change? Why are you voting him, is it just for that. I suggest you read my filter.
Well if you want to convince me to vote for him, then lay it on the line. I only see that you think he should always value suspicions over policy lynches.
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On October 17 2013 23:55 Skanjab1s wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 23:51 Pandain wrote:
Skanjab, you are tunneling Yamato and reading into things. He doesn't have to exactly fit with his town meta to be town, heck he was playing his scum meta up until the second day of play in Thug and he was town. Also why /would you lynch a potentially very valuable vet?
Tunneling is my style. Reading into things is the way I roll, baby. I do not let off my scumreads because they "could be valuable" or because they are vets.
Alright then hopefully you will recognize you are wrong.
I'll probably push Echolen, Palmar, or Mattchew later but we'll see. O_O
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On October 17 2013 23:59 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 23:54 LastArgument wrote:On October 17 2013 23:54 Pandain wrote:On October 17 2013 23:49 LastArgument wrote:On October 17 2013 23:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
LA, any comment on my supposed town mentality when it comes to policy? What supposed town mentality? You've simply asserted that magically you now like policy lynching having been staunchly against it previously in your town career. On October 17 2013 23:29 Hopeless1der wrote:
quotes that are literally MONTHS ago, and I've taken a rather long break from mafia. My stance on policy votes can't have changed? Not only that, but the first quote was in regards to a specific player, simply for existing (grush). For the 2nd quote, pressure =\= policy. This even misrepresents your own quotation, as the quotation in question clearly puts you against policy lynches in general, even though it was applied to one player at the time. Reading the quotation, you are obviously talking in general terms. Do you really think that two posts in different contexts mean that he always has to be against policy lynches? Even if it hinted at that, couldn't he change? Why are you voting him, is it just for that. I suggest you read my filter. Well if you want to convince me to vote for him, then lay it on the line. I only see that you think he should always value suspicions over policy lynches.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052¤tpage=29#573
I'm interested to hear anyone's opinion on it really.
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