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EchelonTee
United States5260 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
D1 - heist and suki are both pushing cattivik once you hit pg. 7 or 8. Golden also believes cattivik scum, while xatalos defends him. Golden not just saying he's scum, but pushing a scum read on xatalos towards eishi + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 22:40 O.Golden_ne wrote: @Eishi_ki: Consider if Xatalos is scum. This is opinion on Cattivik, who i think is scum. "Another player I noticed was Cattivik. So far he has been analyzing the game, posting reads, calling out lurkers - all in all, playing for town's win condition. I didn't like him giving sciberbia a free pass just because he was the "first to post", but disregarding that, his filter looks good." Food for thought. D1 - this post + Show Spoiler + On June 01 2012 14:20 O.Golden_ne wrote: @Sciberbia. I'm uncertain of suki at the moment. but i'm worried that a bandwagon is forming on him. we need to rationally consider a few options. i need to mull over suki's filter a while longer before condemning him. I feel that we may be more prosperous lynching some lurchers first, because as far as scumminess goes if suki is mafia (or anyone for that matter) chances are they'll keep digging themselves a hole if we can see it this early. I'm just so super wary of lurker now because of their potentially game changing absence. I guess what i'm trying to say is. scumslips will stay on the record, and chances are if they are scumslipping this early they'll continue as time goes on. Lurker however, if not dealt with early in the game where they are less of a % of the team, may end up in the final rounds where the % of town per player is alot higher and the responsibility of town individuals is even higher. These are my thoughts. more soon. x D1 - Xatalos DOES keep changing his reads. And he DOES keep asking for other opinions. See things like - + Show Spoiler + On June 01 2012 15:07 Xatalos wrote: I have to go offline until the evening, but there's a lot I want to comment on then. I must say I'm not as certain anymore about Unforgiven_ve's guiltiness after reading his latest post. What do you think about that post, s0Lstice and Suki? Did you get that slight townie read from it? Superouman and Ange777, I REALLY want to hear something from you both soon. If Unforgiven_ve keeps up this style of posting, it would be better to lynch either of you (to at least certainly limit the pool of suspicious and useless lurkers/coasters). So as of now, I'm reading Xatalos town and Golden scummy. Xatalos has moved, but moved with reasons and moved his vote at decent times. He's never the first on maybe, but he gives some reasoning and he's never the last off. Golden has held his vote this whole time, while suki moves around and heist is sitting on superouman. Ange posts her case on suki. Xatalos responds, saying there are some mistakes, not moving off of suki. He doesn't just tell her the case is wrong though. He says, + Show Spoiler + On June 02 2012 04:15 Xatalos wrote: Ange777, your case against Suki gives me hope that you might become an asset for the Mafia hunt after all. More so than Superouman or Unforgiven_ve. However, you made mistakes / mispresentations. Suki jumping on the lynch push for you (in favor of his better Mafia read) isn't really suspicious in itself, since the other option was to basically vote for no-lynch (Unforgiven_ve had no other votes, so it could have as well been voting for no-lynch). It's actually the most logical thing to do as town (unless you think you can turn the tide of the thread in 3 hours) to ensure a lynch, even if it isn't your best Mafia read. I also dislike how you put so much faith in Unforgiven_ve's initial defense, while to me it just looked like angry deflection and dodging. Unforgiven_ve had one decent post later, but why you would bring up his most Mafia-esque post as his defense, I can't say. I can certainly see why someone would feel suspicious of Unforgiven_ve at this point. Do you think Suki is Mafia if you consider these points? What are your other reads? Please share what you can, as fast as you can. Ange has the bit where she FoSes Unforgiven. Xatalos follows her there. Not that odd, considering he'd already pushed unforgiven earlier. Easier to see him moving his vote to a non-ange/suki candidate when he was already on that person. Golden still has yet to (1) vote OR (2) comment on ange's case on suki. heist comes in to push unforgiven, to say he thinks ange and suki are townie. No mention of golden at all, who's the ONLY person yet to vote and hasn't responded to the suki case, one of the few players to do so. Why is heist not suspicious of golden? Thread brings up golden a few times, but he never becomes a giant topic of discussion, so it's not enough for me that heist doesn't call out golden for being absent because some townies fail to do so as well. Neither suki nor heist mentions his absence though. Okay, there's my D1 stream of consciousness. Looking back at that, I see golden coming off scummy, although the end of the day is ruined a little by his absolute absence. While xatalos moves his vote, I'm not seeing it move in a very scummy way. Moreover, the way that xatalos pushes for further information on suki feels very town to me. Also, as a minor point, I don't like how suki/heist/golden all pushing cattivik early and xatalos is not jumping aboard. Seems like maybe mafia team wanted to set cattivik up, because eishi_ki was suspicious of him, so you've got an easy bandwagon to start pushing. | ||
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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
I think you're spot on in your assessment of D1. I'll be making a post right before the deadline of why it's extremely unlikely some players are scum and who I think is the correct lynch candidate given the information we have now. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Later on N1, xatalos pushes ange for further reads. Again, he's asking others for reads, but why would mafia be asking Ange, who helped nail suki, to post her reads? Aren't you hoping she forgets? D2 - Right after solstice gets killed, Vivax brings up that solstice's case was on heist. First response to that? ShiaoPi comes in to state not that the case was bad but that everyone should be coming to their own opinions. Okay, I'm stopping this. When I'm looking at ShiaoPi's case, I see Xatalos scummy. When I look at Xatalos's case, I see ShiaoPi as slightly scummy. But if I just look through the first day and the timing on the way things played out, and who responded to what/when/how, I'm seeing golden/ShiaoPi as pretty clearly scummy. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
To unforgiven, if you're here, do my thoughts match up with yours? I agree ShiaoPi was so unwilling to find heist scummy that it almost makes him look town. But if you get rid of that, which is just WIFOM, and you look back before the last day or two, ShiaoPi is looking much, much scummier than Xatalos to me. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
 while we wait for the nighthit to arrive. | ||
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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
Austinmcc/Ange777: Town- Ange777 came back into the D1 lynch discussion with an interesting choice. There was a lot of momentum for either an Unforgiven or a suki lynch. A D1 scum lynch is usually really bad for scum. I have a hard time believing that Ange would come back and bus suki D1 if she were scum. This read makes Ange/Austin confirmed town in my opinion. Unforgiven: Town- He's become confirmed town to me even though his attitude towards the game and posting content has been really bad. I'm reading him as egoistic townie and not scum. He started pressure on suki, he supported lynching heist. If he were scum he could have sheeped behind ShiaoPi's pressure on Xatalos and either forced a mislynch or a no-lynch. This is directed at you Unforgiven. All of your cases have been OMGUS. Look outside your ego and figure out what's actually been going on in the thread. You've given me the impression that you think this game revolves around you. It doesn't. Please use your brain. Xatalos: Town- If you're asking me to believe that he's scum you're also asking me to believe that he made these plays. (I'm hypothetically referring to him as scum in this list) - He started pressure on Unforgiven. This is a ballsy move. Putting follow up pressure on players is much more typical of scum play. - He bussed heist D2 immediately after his scumbuddy, suki, got lynched. This is another really ballsy move. - He immediately returned his pressure back to heist after our mislynch on Vivax. The fallout after a mislynch is a good time for scum to try and lay low hoping that voting patterns might incriminate another player. Xatalos did not allow this. These are not common plays to make as scum. If he is scum then those plays were extremely risky. I just don't believe it. Xatalos, if you are scum, I tip my hat to you. You've made some tough calls. ShiaoPi: Scum- He defended both suki and heist. There is definite motive for this. The game is balanced around the typical D1 mislynch so D1 scum lynch is really bad for scum. I can easily see scum panicking and defending each other under such a stressful situation. During the D3 lynch discussion he heavily defended heist. He even defended him despite (sort of) agreeing with me on heist's suspicious disappearance. Yes, heist disappearance is weird (and fucking frustrating) but still I can't vote off one of my townreads just based on lack of activity... Notice how he tries to deflect attention from my original point ---snip that heist's timing for his sudden disappearance was really suspicious. Instead he uses the words weird and frustrating. If he's town there is no reason to disregard and draw attention away from the fact that heist's play was at least a bit suspicious (it was). His play reeks of scum defending scum and not town defending scum. I won't retread the same points that other players have made besides saying the case against ShiaoPi/Golden is solid. If I'm alive in a few minutes I will stand by it. If I'm dead I hope you all will take note.His disappearance seems really suspicious, doesn't it? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
(1) I'm ange. I made a poor replacement for her, but we're the same alignment. (2) IF my unsure townie bit was an act, I could have kept it going. I was unsure for the last two hours or so, very vocal about it, clearly wavering between options and no lynch. But I dropped it and voted. I could have no lynched, sent the NK through, and started driving Xatalos with ShiaoPi tomorrow, hoping to pick either you or Milton up. (3) Anac flipped town That's a dumb little summary, waiting for night post. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Day 4 ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/deONm.jpg) Unforgiven_ve the Vanilla Townie was found with head and body in different places. It is now Day 4. You have roughly 48 hours to get your votes in. With 4 alive the majority stands 3! Deadline is 22:30 GMT (+00:00) as always. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
not even going to start playing the WIFOM game this time around, it always gets me in trouble. ##Vote: ShiaoPi | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
As things go I'll be next or are you still willing to listen to me? | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
##Vote: Xatalos It's him or Milton at this point, but I am tending towards Xatalos, but nobody will listen  | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
And a lot of the early content, before the back and forth cases, seals it for me. Xatalos takes the lynches and tends to push straight forward with them. Golden cautions about a bandwagon on suki before one forms, you caution vivax about solstice's heist case before robust debate has really started. Sure, there are townie reasons not to run away with solstice's case, but it's too much. | ||
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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
Sticking with my read just like I said I would. ##Vote: ShiaoPi | ||
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Miltonkram
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ShiaoPi
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Miltonkram
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Unforgiven_ve
Venezuela1232 Posts
GG, REMEMBER THE MAINE! | ||
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ShiaoPi
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austinmcc
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