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dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-17 10:28:31
September 17 2010 10:27 GMT
#641
On September 17 2010 19:25 Klive5ive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2010 19:19 keV. wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:17 choboPEon wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:16 Klive5ive wrote:
Pffff
Zerg plays beautifully and still loses.


beautifully? he overcommited with those hydras badly and it took him 15-20 seconds to realize that his hydras were getting killed.

he had some really fun nydus play early but i wouldnt call that all beautifully


QFT.

People are so jaded with zerg imba that they can't even see obvious mistakes.

Yeah cos the Protoss made no mistakes.
He lost his main Nexus...


rofl

"cutesy play" stopping all satuation on a natural base, killing the main nexus with minimal losses.... Having a third base

Rolled over by forcefield/collosus attack move
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Promises
Profile Joined February 2004
Netherlands1821 Posts
September 17 2010 10:27 GMT
#642
On September 17 2010 19:24 dacthehork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2010 19:21 vyyye wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:19 dacthehork wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:18 vxl wrote:
Angry zerg players acting like Zenio didn't do any mistakes. Heh.

rofl

if it was protoss "over doing" stalkers he could just blink micro and still defeat a hard counter.

He also did have corrupters out, they just take 10 days to kill coll

Face it the game is NOT balanced, zerg can still win. If zerg had played that good and was terran the game would be over. 3 Bases to 1 base..

ZvP is largely considered the most balanced match up in the game by top players. Either way the zerg lost because of mistakes, not imbalance. It's actually possible, despite what some people might think.
Sorry but the "lol zerg so underpowered" whine in every live report thread ever is retarded. Doesn't seem to matter how the zerg plays, if he loses it's due to imbalance.


It's the mechanics of the game dude

Zenio is a fucking sick player and would be raping this guy with any other race. Are you seriously blind?

He stopped the P from saturating his natural, stopped a 4th gas, killed his main nexus.

Oops I'm protoss and have units which nullify any advantage zerg gets (forcefield/collosus). Also the joke someone posted about zerg getting a early spawning pool to set himself behind... If he went hatchery he would have lost the game outright. Are you seriously this dense to not see that zerg is the weakest race? Close positions, the maps, maybe. Still zerg is seriously just not a good race in SC2.

Even when zerg got corrupters, he could not defend/push back even with a stupidly sick economy.


And while all of this was truly effective it did mean he wasnt building an army to counter the army of the Protoss, who was building an army which hardcountered the Zerg. If a protoss beautifully harasses with phoenixes but then the zerg finishes his hydra army and runs over the defending gateway units, is that beautifull play by the protoss? No, his harass didnt stop the deathball from comming and he didnt properly made the counters to the army.
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
September 17 2010 10:28 GMT
#643
On September 17 2010 19:25 vyyye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2010 19:23 Lefnui wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:21 vyyye wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:19 dacthehork wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:18 vxl wrote:
Angry zerg players acting like Zenio didn't do any mistakes. Heh.

rofl

if it was protoss "over doing" stalkers he could just blink micro and still defeat a hard counter.

He also did have corrupters out, they just take 10 days to kill coll

Face it the game is NOT balanced, zerg can still win. If zerg had played that good and was terran the game would be over. 3 Bases to 1 base..

ZvP is largely considered the most balanced match up in the game by top players.

I don't know what you're basing that off of. I would say that TvP is easily more balanced.

Nony and Incontrol said it in some State of the Game podcasts, to give an example. Not disagreeing, TvP is pretty bloody balanced imo as well.

zvp is largely considered the least balanced in korea right now
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shrinkmaster
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany947 Posts
September 17 2010 10:28 GMT
#644
And there goes another zerg. But as long as there are enough protoss to fight the terrans it's ok. Just don't want to be the last 2 rounds to be TvT only. *wrist*
Voltaire: The true triumph of reason is that it enables us to get along with those who do not possess it.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51694 Posts
September 17 2010 10:28 GMT
#645
On September 17 2010 19:27 HolydaKing wrote:
- 1 zerg...

anyway, hongun played really really well, he deserved this.


i like his play. one to watch out for in the future for sure.
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DminusTerran
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1337 Posts
September 17 2010 10:28 GMT
#646
On September 17 2010 19:27 Philosophy wrote:
Its obvious that Zerg lost because he didnt spread creep, no? Appearantly, its a much bigger mistake than losing your nexus.

The arguments keep getting more and more ridiculous.


When going mass hydra and attacking into Colo yep.
Shatter
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1401 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-17 10:29:02
September 17 2010 10:28 GMT
#647
On September 17 2010 19:27 Philosophy wrote:
Its obvious that Zerg lost because he didnt spread creep, no? Appearantly, its a much bigger mistake than losing your nexus.

It is, in the context of the game.
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
September 17 2010 10:28 GMT
#648
Toss didn't even need blink micro there =P
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12057 Posts
September 17 2010 10:28 GMT
#649
On September 17 2010 19:26 BLinD-RawR wrote:
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On September 17 2010 19:19 FabledIntegral wrote:
Connections are full on GOMtv? Wtf can't watch, no one streaming, LAME!


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on VLC.

Ctrl+n,paste and watch


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Squirrel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1102 Posts
September 17 2010 10:28 GMT
#650
On September 17 2010 19:27 HolydaKing wrote:
- 1 zerg...

anyway, hongun played really really well, he deserved this.


2 left to play.

So far only 1 has made it to the round of 16 =\
QuothTheRaven
Profile Joined December 2008
United States5524 Posts
September 17 2010 10:28 GMT
#651
This game was really painful to watch
. . . nevermore
SKtheAnathema
Profile Joined September 2010
United States885 Posts
September 17 2010 10:28 GMT
#652
so stalkers are pretty good in sc2! :\
Lefnui
Profile Joined November 2008
United States753 Posts
September 17 2010 10:28 GMT
#653
"A very, very close battle"

what is Artosis talking about lol
Tabbris
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Bangladesh2839 Posts
September 17 2010 10:28 GMT
#654
On September 17 2010 19:24 Dionyseus wrote:
Zenio loses his second expo, barely got anything from it.

your really behind. push c to speed it up and catch up
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-17 10:29:37
September 17 2010 10:29 GMT
#655
On September 17 2010 19:25 vyyye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2010 19:23 Lefnui wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:21 vyyye wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:19 dacthehork wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:18 vxl wrote:
Angry zerg players acting like Zenio didn't do any mistakes. Heh.

rofl

if it was protoss "over doing" stalkers he could just blink micro and still defeat a hard counter.

He also did have corrupters out, they just take 10 days to kill coll

Face it the game is NOT balanced, zerg can still win. If zerg had played that good and was terran the game would be over. 3 Bases to 1 base..

ZvP is largely considered the most balanced match up in the game by top players.

I don't know what you're basing that off of. I would say that TvP is easily more balanced.

Nony and Incontrol said it in some State of the Game podcasts, to give an example. Not disagreeing, TvP is pretty bloody balanced imo as well.

non-korean protosses in general are horrible pvz. very few people can abuse it well- just watch some socke reps and compare it to just about any other protoss.
And then watch Tester and nexgenius.
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
September 17 2010 10:29 GMT
#656
Got to hand it to protoss. He played better in both games (yes in both). The phoenix harass was too much for Zenio and worked perfectly in this strat.

GG.
Ascorius
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway275 Posts
September 17 2010 10:29 GMT
#657
Kinda sad to see all the "zenio did some horrible mistakes" comments. He lost alot of hydras in the middle. But to be honest hydras are rendered useless when colossi enter the field. He had corruptors for the engagement in his own base, but even though they are supposed to hard counter the colossi, and even though Hongun didnt micro his colossi away or take down the corruptors, it took forever as you saw. Overcommitting on corruptors would also have killed him because of the large stalker army.
Pekkz
Profile Joined June 2009
Norway1505 Posts
September 17 2010 10:29 GMT
#658
I want so slam my head into a brick wall after this ZvP. Its not even close games, if protoss get an expansion its GG..
Jukebox Joe
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom358 Posts
September 17 2010 10:29 GMT
#659
Well. That was depressing to watch.
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
September 17 2010 10:29 GMT
#660
I found green Waldo.
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