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On September 17 2010 19:25 Klive5ive wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2010 19:19 keV. wrote:On September 17 2010 19:17 choboPEon wrote:On September 17 2010 19:16 Klive5ive wrote: Pffff Zerg plays beautifully and still loses. beautifully? he overcommited with those hydras badly and it took him 15-20 seconds to realize that his hydras were getting killed. he had some really fun nydus play early but i wouldnt call that all beautifully QFT. People are so jaded with zerg imba that they can't even see obvious mistakes. Yeah cos the Protoss made no mistakes. He lost his main Nexus...
rofl
"cutesy play" stopping all satuation on a natural base, killing the main nexus with minimal losses.... Having a third base
Rolled over by forcefield/collosus attack move
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On September 17 2010 19:24 dacthehork wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2010 19:21 vyyye wrote:On September 17 2010 19:19 dacthehork wrote:On September 17 2010 19:18 vxl wrote: Angry zerg players acting like Zenio didn't do any mistakes. Heh. rofl if it was protoss "over doing" stalkers he could just blink micro and still defeat a hard counter. He also did have corrupters out, they just take 10 days to kill coll Face it the game is NOT balanced, zerg can still win. If zerg had played that good and was terran the game would be over. 3 Bases to 1 base.. ZvP is largely considered the most balanced match up in the game by top players. Either way the zerg lost because of mistakes, not imbalance. It's actually possible, despite what some people might think. Sorry but the "lol zerg so underpowered" whine in every live report thread ever is retarded. Doesn't seem to matter how the zerg plays, if he loses it's due to imbalance. It's the mechanics of the game dude Zenio is a fucking sick player and would be raping this guy with any other race. Are you seriously blind? He stopped the P from saturating his natural, stopped a 4th gas, killed his main nexus. Oops I'm protoss and have units which nullify any advantage zerg gets (forcefield/collosus). Also the joke someone posted about zerg getting a early spawning pool to set himself behind... If he went hatchery he would have lost the game outright. Are you seriously this dense to not see that zerg is the weakest race? Close positions, the maps, maybe. Still zerg is seriously just not a good race in SC2. Even when zerg got corrupters, he could not defend/push back even with a stupidly sick economy.
And while all of this was truly effective it did mean he wasnt building an army to counter the army of the Protoss, who was building an army which hardcountered the Zerg. If a protoss beautifully harasses with phoenixes but then the zerg finishes his hydra army and runs over the defending gateway units, is that beautifull play by the protoss? No, his harass didnt stop the deathball from comming and he didnt properly made the counters to the army.
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On September 17 2010 19:25 vyyye wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2010 19:23 Lefnui wrote:On September 17 2010 19:21 vyyye wrote:On September 17 2010 19:19 dacthehork wrote:On September 17 2010 19:18 vxl wrote: Angry zerg players acting like Zenio didn't do any mistakes. Heh. rofl if it was protoss "over doing" stalkers he could just blink micro and still defeat a hard counter. He also did have corrupters out, they just take 10 days to kill coll Face it the game is NOT balanced, zerg can still win. If zerg had played that good and was terran the game would be over. 3 Bases to 1 base.. ZvP is largely considered the most balanced match up in the game by top players. I don't know what you're basing that off of. I would say that TvP is easily more balanced. Nony and Incontrol said it in some State of the Game podcasts, to give an example. Not disagreeing, TvP is pretty bloody balanced imo as well. zvp is largely considered the least balanced in korea right now
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And there goes another zerg. But as long as there are enough protoss to fight the terrans it's ok. Just don't want to be the last 2 rounds to be TvT only. *wrist*
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On September 17 2010 19:27 HolydaKing wrote: - 1 zerg...
anyway, hongun played really really well, he deserved this.
i like his play. one to watch out for in the future for sure.
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On September 17 2010 19:27 Philosophy wrote: Its obvious that Zerg lost because he didnt spread creep, no? Appearantly, its a much bigger mistake than losing your nexus.
The arguments keep getting more and more ridiculous.
When going mass hydra and attacking into Colo yep.
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On September 17 2010 19:27 Philosophy wrote: Its obvious that Zerg lost because he didnt spread creep, no? Appearantly, its a much bigger mistake than losing your nexus.
It is, in the context of the game.
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Toss didn't even need blink micro there =P
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On September 17 2010 19:27 HolydaKing wrote: - 1 zerg...
anyway, hongun played really really well, he deserved this.
2 left to play.
So far only 1 has made it to the round of 16 =\
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This game was really painful to watch
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so stalkers are pretty good in sc2! :\
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"A very, very close battle"
what is Artosis talking about lol
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On September 17 2010 19:24 Dionyseus wrote: Zenio loses his second expo, barely got anything from it. your really behind. push c to speed it up and catch up
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On September 17 2010 19:25 vyyye wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2010 19:23 Lefnui wrote:On September 17 2010 19:21 vyyye wrote:On September 17 2010 19:19 dacthehork wrote:On September 17 2010 19:18 vxl wrote: Angry zerg players acting like Zenio didn't do any mistakes. Heh. rofl if it was protoss "over doing" stalkers he could just blink micro and still defeat a hard counter. He also did have corrupters out, they just take 10 days to kill coll Face it the game is NOT balanced, zerg can still win. If zerg had played that good and was terran the game would be over. 3 Bases to 1 base.. ZvP is largely considered the most balanced match up in the game by top players. I don't know what you're basing that off of. I would say that TvP is easily more balanced. Nony and Incontrol said it in some State of the Game podcasts, to give an example. Not disagreeing, TvP is pretty bloody balanced imo as well. non-korean protosses in general are horrible pvz. very few people can abuse it well- just watch some socke reps and compare it to just about any other protoss. And then watch Tester and nexgenius.
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Got to hand it to protoss. He played better in both games (yes in both). The phoenix harass was too much for Zenio and worked perfectly in this strat.
GG.
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Kinda sad to see all the "zenio did some horrible mistakes" comments. He lost alot of hydras in the middle. But to be honest hydras are rendered useless when colossi enter the field. He had corruptors for the engagement in his own base, but even though they are supposed to hard counter the colossi, and even though Hongun didnt micro his colossi away or take down the corruptors, it took forever as you saw. Overcommitting on corruptors would also have killed him because of the large stalker army.
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I want so slam my head into a brick wall after this ZvP. Its not even close games, if protoss get an expansion its GG..
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Well. That was depressing to watch.
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