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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22104 Posts
February 26 2014 07:18 GMT
#621
On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.

If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer?


What I don't like about this post is that he can't simply say what he thinks about suki, but feels like has to put a Mocsta townread in front of it.

That reads to me like he feels pressured to overjustify for picking a side in the debate, which is something I could see scum doing in a town vs. town argument, after all you're always painfully aware that what you say just isn't right, so you need to create a story. And this looks like a story, the story of how you think suki could be scum ONLY after thinking that mocsta is town, which is something I don't see townies do at D1.

Explanation: Gumshoe feels that he can't attack suki without supporting Moc cause he thinks that he would look like his lacking suspicion of Mocsta was unjustified. Like, in a hypothetical town vs town argument as scum you would think that you can't attack one townie without clearing the other.

Moreover you can see that the part about Mocsta could be construed (in best-case scenario, ie gum town) as a justification for sheeping him ("but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit"), but gumshoe doesn't exactly use Mocsta's arguments (tryhard looking posts, "why-not-vote-for-me-question") and brings his own, which strengthens the overjustification version of events.

The last bit with the nostalgia is either overanalyzing (if town) or making stuff up (if scum), so I think it should be disregarded entirely for now (@ geript).

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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 26 2014 07:28 GMT
#622
On February 26 2014 16:18 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.

If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer?


What I don't like about this post is that he can't simply say what he thinks about suki, but feels like has to put a Mocsta townread in front of it.

That reads to me like he feels pressured to overjustify for picking a side in the debate, which is something I could see scum doing in a town vs. town argument, after all you're always painfully aware that what you say just isn't right, so you need to create a story. And this looks like a story, the story of how you think suki could be scum ONLY after thinking that mocsta is town, which is something I don't see townies do at D1.

Explanation: Gumshoe feels that he can't attack suki without supporting Moc cause he thinks that he would look like his lacking suspicion of Mocsta was unjustified. Like, in a hypothetical town vs town argument as scum you would think that you can't attack one townie without clearing the other.

Moreover you can see that the part about Mocsta could be construed (in best-case scenario, ie gum town) as a justification for sheeping him ("but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit"), but gumshoe doesn't exactly use Mocsta's arguments (tryhard looking posts, "why-not-vote-for-me-question") and brings his own, which strengthens the overjustification version of events.

The last bit with the nostalgia is either overanalyzing (if town) or making stuff up (if scum), so I think it should be disregarded entirely for now (@ geript).

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Interesting perspective.
I'm curious though, why bring this up now after gumshoe has all but been questioned to death and people are attempting to move on?
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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 26 2014 07:32 GMT
#623
Vivax

Does this mean you think I am town?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 26 2014 07:34 GMT
#624
Caught up and re-read

Current reads:

Wave
Suki
Gumshoe
Calvalinho
toadesstern

ange777
jarjardrinks
vivax
geript

Holyflare
thechyz
rayn


Will expound in a bit. swamped @ work.
TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
February 26 2014 07:38 GMT
#625
kk. With geript I still have a problem of how he was so quick to say that rayn and toad couldn't be scum together. There was no explanation why he made that conclusion until I finally made him answer with
On February 26 2014 12:33 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 12:26 TheChyz wrote:
Hey geript I'm not a moron you know. My memory lasts more than a few minutes. Would you mind explain why rayn and toad can't be scum together. (for the third time...)

A few things. One is how chummy they are early makes it unlikely they'd be together. Second, Rayn is probably town for his geript cop joke; it took me like 3 minutes to get that one. Third, I like Rayn's WoS vote and minor push; WoS has been trolling really weird to start off with and isn't his usual witty self. Fourth, they wouldn't both likely push back against me as scum together this early. Like I'm apparently unreadable to people which is totally crazy in my mind.



All of these points are terrible. It seems more like he just put out some random statement and after being asked to answer on it it seems like he is backtracking. See how he goes to make several points. Not only does it seem like he is trying to be over defensive but that most of them are just a big pile of poop. Let's go over the points:
1) I don't even know what chummy means but it seems like the way you guys are acting early on. Again that doesn't really say anything and is something anybody can say about almost anything.
2) He is backtracking to a joke rayn made that makes him town? Well shit i think he just solved mafia. People making jokes = town. I don't understand the context but I believe that is irrelevant.
3) I don't even understand this one. Something again that rayn is towny to him.
4) Saying how its unlikely for something to happen which does not seem unlikely at all.

In all of these points, NOTHING again answers why he think rayn and toad cannot be scum together. If anything it seems more like he is developing a rayn town read. This all seems like a load of backtracking and most likely hoping that he wouldn't get called out for his words before hand.

Apart from that everything else just has no effort to even try and scum hunt. Thought he was kinda scummy but not this scummy until re-reading his filter now.

##Vote geript
TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
February 26 2014 07:39 GMT
#626
oh and btw i might not responds soon cause im passing out at the comp randomly. So if i don't respond ill get back to it in a few hours
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 07:47 GMT
#627
On February 26 2014 16:38 TheChyz wrote:
kk. With geript I still have a problem of how he was so quick to say that rayn and toad couldn't be scum together. There was no explanation why he made that conclusion until I finally made him answer with
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 12:33 geript wrote:
On February 26 2014 12:26 TheChyz wrote:
Hey geript I'm not a moron you know. My memory lasts more than a few minutes. Would you mind explain why rayn and toad can't be scum together. (for the third time...)

A few things. One is how chummy they are early makes it unlikely they'd be together. Second, Rayn is probably town for his geript cop joke; it took me like 3 minutes to get that one. Third, I like Rayn's WoS vote and minor push; WoS has been trolling really weird to start off with and isn't his usual witty self. Fourth, they wouldn't both likely push back against me as scum together this early. Like I'm apparently unreadable to people which is totally crazy in my mind.



All of these points are terrible. It seems more like he just put out some random statement and after being asked to answer on it it seems like he is backtracking. See how he goes to make several points. Not only does it seem like he is trying to be over defensive but that most of them are just a big pile of poop. Let's go over the points:
1) I don't even know what chummy means but it seems like the way you guys are acting early on. Again that doesn't really say anything and is something anybody can say about almost anything.
2) He is backtracking to a joke rayn made that makes him town? Well shit i think he just solved mafia. People making jokes = town. I don't understand the context but I believe that is irrelevant.
3) I don't even understand this one. Something again that rayn is towny to him.
4) Saying how its unlikely for something to happen which does not seem unlikely at all.

In all of these points, NOTHING again answers why he think rayn and toad cannot be scum together. If anything it seems more like he is developing a rayn town read. This all seems like a load of backtracking and most likely hoping that he wouldn't get called out for his words before hand.

Apart from that everything else just has no effort to even try and scum hunt. Thought he was kinda scummy but not this scummy until re-reading his filter now.

##Vote geript

Is this a response to me?
Also you said "some hunches" in plural. What were the others?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 07:52 GMT
#628
I dunno but i think Mocsta just scumslipped.
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TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
February 26 2014 08:02 GMT
#629
Just some stuff on you and WoS clogging up the thread with your discussion surrounding gumshoe. It just felt like it was going no where and more like an ego thing at the end (which if I remember correctly I think WoS sayed he kept his vote in spite or something along those lines).

Also suki just rubbing me the wrong way with here weird defensiveness and interactions with mocsta. Not sure what but something from reading her filter just doesn't seem right.

And somethings on mocsta but I have to re-read his filter to see what. Mostly I just remember his very jumpy nature from a target to another and his vote is very weak in my opinion.

But nothing I think will lead anywhere atm and just something to maybe keep an eye
TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
February 26 2014 08:02 GMT
#630
What is mocsta's scum slip?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 08:07 GMT
#631
##Vote: TheChyz
Now me/Wave argument about gumshoe cannot possibly be one of these "hunches" because it happened after you said you had some hunches. So the only conclusions is that you are making shit up.
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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 26 2014 08:10 GMT
#632
Issues with TheChyz

+ Show Spoiler +
On February 26 2014 10:51 TheChyz wrote:
Hi all. Mocsta seems pretty town to me atm. In his last game (as scum, GSL open mini) his contributions in the middle of day 2 or 3 were worse than they seem right now.

geript, why is it unlikely that rayn and toad can't be scum together?
Reading this a few times I take issue not with calling me town, but by him making a reference to the quality of my contributions. This suggests he agrees somewhat with the Suki read (which was my only contribution at the point in time). The rest of his filter lethargically references Suki once.

On February 26 2014 10:53 TheChyz wrote:
Nothing to do with reads, just the way your playing. Back in that game it seemed like you and vivax/kush were just posting to fill up the thread and waste the day. Here it seems more like your actually trying to scum hunt. That combined with the fact you haven't claimed scum yet
Firstly, Vivax/Kush were town, so the comparison is not apples to apples - as has already been discussed.
Secondly, perhaps you can tie "trying to scum hunt" with the contributions discussed above. However, again, this indicates that either TheChyz agrees with my read (a la Gumshoe) or thinks my motives are genuine. Which is important to keep in mind later.

On February 26 2014 11:16 TheChyz wrote:
Ionno suki, are you going to come in and provide any attempt at reads or just ask questions all day long?

As per your question, I have hunches on some things, but nothing I feel is actually worth saying atm.
Here, TheChyz casually queries Suki indicating that he does not share my read. The question posed will not provide any alignment indicative response either.
Further, TheChyz is now dangling the "active lurker" carrot; which is odd, considering of all the things he chose to talk about, he wanted to discuss me as a town read -- when I wasn't under any specific heat either.

On February 26 2014 11:20 TheChyz wrote:
I'm not sure if this is because this is how he plays but holyflare has been making jokes all day 1. Seems like an easy way to get a free pass on the first day if everybody just knows your gonna joke around. The time for joking 24/7 is over I think, is there anything useful you plan on doing this day holyflare, or just gonna draw some more?
The timing of this post just feel premature and the stance is odd. On one hand it is berating Holyflare for joking; on the other hand, its not asking HF to particpate in any direction that will improve our read on him. Its essentially a slap on the wrist post with no further intent.

On February 26 2014 12:46 TheChyz wrote:
To me it seems more like JJD has only tunneled on Mocsta for a read that mocsta made on suki. Apart from that he has done nothing really after that.
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 11:42 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:
So...

in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy.
in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie.
in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town.

Congratz JJD.
Lol, I thought rayn was the only person I always read backwards.


But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched.

Like I think u've been acting kinda scummy mostly because of ur suki read. But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case.

Also in bold, I have never as town thought "does calling you something make me look scummy". It's only something scum usually worries about.
The phrasing is not fluid or natural to me.
Regarding fluidity: I think this would be written "Also in bold, as town I never have thought "xxxx"
Regarding natural: I know when I've rolled scum, i often write a statement, proof read and then go.. ahh.. let me add "when town" typically at the end.
This feels very much the same. i.e. the "as town" component is a last addition designed to give strength to the argument.

On February 26 2014 14:42 TheChyz wrote:
I don't think he's mafia, but I do think this sentence "But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case" is scummy. He is addressing himself to mocsta and basically saying (or this is how I read it, maybe misinterpreted) that if he [JJD] calls Mocsta town and sheeps that case it will make him [JJD] look scummier. And I don't understand why a town would be afraid of having a "scummier" image. If you are town, you know your intent was not scummy and you can give an explanation out of it. However if your scum it seems more likely that you are afraid of your image.
This post has already been commented by others and I agree. Its an unusual position to take. Normally you would just say "hes null".

On February 26 2014 16:38 TheChyz wrote:
kk. With geript I still have a problem of how he was so quick to say that rayn and toad couldn't be scum together. There was no explanation why he made that conclusion until I finally made him answer with
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 12:33 geript wrote:
On February 26 2014 12:26 TheChyz wrote:
Hey geript I'm not a moron you know. My memory lasts more than a few minutes. Would you mind explain why rayn and toad can't be scum together. (for the third time...)

A few things. One is how chummy they are early makes it unlikely they'd be together. Second, Rayn is probably town for his geript cop joke; it took me like 3 minutes to get that one. Third, I like Rayn's WoS vote and minor push; WoS has been trolling really weird to start off with and isn't his usual witty self. Fourth, they wouldn't both likely push back against me as scum together this early. Like I'm apparently unreadable to people which is totally crazy in my mind.



All of these points are terrible. It seems more like he just put out some random statement and after being asked to answer on it it seems like he is backtracking. See how he goes to make several points. Not only does it seem like he is trying to be over defensive but that most of them are just a big pile of poop. Let's go over the points:
1) I don't even know what chummy means but it seems like the way you guys are acting early on. Again that doesn't really say anything and is something anybody can say about almost anything.
2) He is backtracking to a joke rayn made that makes him town? Well shit i think he just solved mafia. People making jokes = town. I don't understand the context but I believe that is irrelevant.
3) I don't even understand this one. Something again that rayn is towny to him.
4) Saying how its unlikely for something to happen which does not seem unlikely at all.

In all of these points, NOTHING again answers why he think rayn and toad cannot be scum together. If anything it seems more like he is developing a rayn town read. This all seems like a load of backtracking and most likely hoping that he wouldn't get called out for his words before hand.

Apart from that everything else just has no effort to even try and scum hunt. Thought he was kinda scummy but not this scummy until re-reading his filter now.

##Vote geript
The important thing to note is that previously TheChyz stated he would only comment if something is wroth commenting on. So why... is he so fixated on someone calling "Rayn/Toad" town.
He seems to refuse to accept they can both be town; yet, hasnt given a direct indication of his read on either player.
Very scummy.



In summary:
Overall, TheChyz arguments have been weak and offer no insight into his thought process.
He is calling out people prematurely (e.g. Holyflare + Rayn/Toad) yet doesnt indicatve whether he reads those players town or scum.
He also prematurely calls me town when not under fire for my scumhunting, yet doesnt seem to support my reads.
Lastly, he goes out of his way to dodge questions (e.g. to Suki).

Now, TheChyz could be super paranoid town that doesnt want to give away information. HOWEVER, I dont attribute his posting as giving that vibe. I suppose this is epitomised by:
On February 26 2014 14:31 TheChyz wrote:
Typo seen ^ *gumshoe is currently set to be lynched*. Just found that funny since so much talk has been about him

This is a guy that is intentionally trying to dodge giving out any insight AND THAT is scummy.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 26 2014 08:11 GMT
#633
On February 26 2014 17:02 TheChyz wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Just some stuff on you and WoS clogging up the thread with your discussion surrounding gumshoe. It just felt like it was going no where and more like an ego thing at the end (which if I remember correctly I think WoS sayed he kept his vote in spite or something along those lines).

Also suki just rubbing me the wrong way with here weird defensiveness and interactions with mocsta. Not sure what but something from reading her filter just doesn't seem right.

And somethings on mocsta but I have to re-read his filter to see what. Mostly I just remember his very jumpy nature from a target to another and his vote is very weak in my opinion.

But nothing I think will lead anywhere atm and just something to maybe keep an eye

This is the missing puzzle to my points below.

I thought when you were questioning me prior, you have "scum read" undertones, which is now confirmed. Thank you.

I add to my summary that your reads flip flop with thread sentiment.
##Vote: TheChyz
TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
February 26 2014 08:13 GMT
#634
Well your asking me what my hunches are. Am I not allowed to post anything that I have found since then? Or should I pretend that my thoughts dont develop over time and stay 1 dimensional? Dunno what your on about.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 08:14 GMT
#635
So Mocsta why does your read on suki end up in null after a reread and then boombadaboom it's suddenly top 2 town?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 08:14 GMT
#636
On February 26 2014 17:13 TheChyz wrote:
Well your asking me what my hunches are. Am I not allowed to post anything that I have found since then? Or should I pretend that my thoughts dont develop over time and stay 1 dimensional? Dunno what your on about.

I especially asked you what those particular hunches were at that time.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 08:15 GMT
#637
Like this is literally what i wrote:
On February 26 2014 15:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 11:16 TheChyz wrote:
Ionno suki, are you going to come in and provide any attempt at reads or just ask questions all day long?

As per your question, I have hunches on some things, but nothing I feel is actually worth saying atm.

This is actually valuable for people trying to read you, so please, what are these hunches you were talking about?
Could you point out the specific posts.

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TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
February 26 2014 08:16 GMT
#638
kk. Well I guess it was my fault for not reading correctly.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22104 Posts
February 26 2014 08:19 GMT
#639
WOS

Interesting perspective.
I'm curious though, why bring this up now after gumshoe has all but been questioned to death and people are attempting to move on?


Interesting perspective isn't an opinion, Wave. And showing past posts that give you the impression that somebody could be scum is the essence of this game. How does gum having already been discussed affect the points brought up? it's completely irrelevant.

Mocsta

Vivax

Does this mean you think I am town?


Not yet, but it's the scenario where a scum gumshoe is most likely to act that way imo. There's always the chance that suki is also scum (and gum picks your side and throws some soft suspicion onto suki to gain cred). I don't think that a scum gumshoe would act that way if you were scum though.

I don't want to get too deep into connections just yet, but independently I have to add that gumshoe offers suki a premise that she could be town

If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer?


in the conclusion of that post, and a way to comment on it based on that premise, which is pretty weird cause he just called out some points as scummy and then basically offers her the way out by adding two explanations on why her behavior wasn't necessarily scummy. Thus I wonder why gumshoe felt like he had to call it out as scummy in the first place if he already thinks that there are alternative explanations.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 26 2014 08:26 GMT
#640
Now HF,

I read through your points against me in more detail and can not comprehend your position in the slightest.

(1)
On February 26 2014 11:40 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 11:37 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:36 Holyflare wrote:
On February 26 2014 10:19 Mocsta wrote:
On thi 26 2014 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Gumshoe just tell me now.
Am I going to have to policy lynch you for lurking this game?

If u r town I don't like at all what our doing.

Which is.
Crating an atmosphere of intimidation
If u think otherwise, surely you can admit that the above is not conducive to gleaning the alignment of gumshoe in the slightest


Gumshoe post was very reasonable and called me town for the right reasons.
Did u read a thing he wrote?

On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:31 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:14 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
@moc
Anything you want to discuss?
Im drafting up my issues with Suki so feedback on that would be good when its released.

As an aside/observation/muse till then, I havent read in detail the interactions between Geript/Toad/Rayn (as I have been focussed on you + Suki) however I am finding Rayns approach to Toad odd (regardless of alignment). Basically I know Rayn doesnt respect Toads town play.

Red Herring or something to keep note of?

Nah I'm generally okay with it. I don't find it alignment indicative for Rayn.

Something JJD said reminded me of something:
On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.

If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer?

In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.)
Town should always be considering all options.
I agree w/ this assesment. Also I find it odd that he seems to give moc a townread for some pretty terrible reasoning. Especially since IMO, moc has been acting pretty scummy.
So...

in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy.
in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie.
in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town.

Congratz JJD.


Scum slip?
Are you now copying your early case on DP from vengeful?
You criticise Wave for saying some silly nonsense and saying if you're town why do that because it doesn't solve gumshoe's alignment or anything. Yet, same page of filter here you are saying nonsense to JJD who is bringing up points on other players. By your own reasoning townies shouldn't do that so why the change of heart so soon? Or are you sticking to what you said? "TOWN" don't do that!
Agreed. I commented on Wave about trying to take an intimidation dump on Gumshoe. I do that as either alignment.
It is your comparison to JJD that makes zero sense.
Firstly, I havent tried to intimidate him -- which already invalidates your argument.
Secondly, my response was completely related to a component of what he wrote.

I would love to hear why writing the below is purely indicative of a scum mindset:
in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy.
in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie.
in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town.


(2)
On February 26 2014 12:08 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 12:01 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:52 Holyflare wrote:
So tram, if you can post try hard cases as either alignment, what significant reasoning do we have to believe that you are town this game? Why even post the caveat that you can do that as scum as well?

Also

or me making a good one because I felt I had to ( it's not that difficult to make anyone look scummy if you set your mind to it) and getting someone mislynched.


what does that mean??? Surely if you made a good one it would be on a scum...?

That's a pretty martyr-y post.

I dunno I'm starting to lean more towards sloppy townplay on gumshoe right now (and I'm also noting the involvement of JJD and Mocsta pushing gumshoe now) but I want to go look at his recent scumgame right now.

HF if you had to make a call right now one way or the other, red or green?

U know as scum, when I want to get ppl off a scum buddy. I vote jump on them scummily.
Case in point: PYP with Johnnywup

In this game, I gave a sound reason for gumshoe.
Further, I agree completely after a re-read that his post for calling me town was opportunistic and lacking in detail.
Ironically I now prefer Chz position for calling me town.


You know, as scum my agenda is to infiltrate town. Thats my goal every game as scum.
As town, I dont have that care. Thats how you read me.
The fact that half this game think I am scum, in indicative of me pushing the buttons I DONT as scum.
My 6 scum games out of 8, should be indicative of this enough to be gospel.


I don't understand, what is the reason for this post? If we should all know your scum meta why would you need to point it out and describe it all to us? Isn't the fact that you "know" your meta a good enough reason to throw your meta out of the window now? This post just leads to wifom and I find it hard to see where your

Show nested quote +
"As town, I dont have that care. Thats how you read me."


aligns with you posting these defensive meta posts because the fact that you "needed" to post that infers that you do actually care what other people are thinking about you. If anything this is a more "infiltration" post because you're pointing out why you must be town, just like you tried to point it out with the JJD post earlier.

Me no likey you

##Vote Mocsta

If your argument is I was discussing how my scum meta is different to this game - makes me scum... then sure, I can accept that may hold water as an early day1 vote.
However, your argument was founded upon a comparison to me calling out WaveofShadow. There is no validity in this comparison. Full stop.

Frankly, I find your strawman argument completely over dramatised; and I find it hard to believe you would jump over the above with a vote, if town.

Having said that, you are the weakest of the 3 reads I listed prior.
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