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07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here

10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here.

08:47 KST - Summary:
Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open.

Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims.

(also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here)
Felnarion
Profile Joined December 2011
442 Posts
June 07 2012 14:00 GMT
#5941
I think the minimap click grid is the perfect way to solve this. We just need to know how the minimap translates the clicks. It is a physical impossibility for every coordinate in the game to be clickable via the minimap. It's just a matter of figuring out how the clicks are aveeraged, no? What if we (a pro more likely) asked Blizzard if this is a legitimate way to possible catch a camera lock, and if so, how do we do it?

I know they're largely useless, but maybe with map hacks constantly rocking the community, maybe we can get something thrown out to us?

Toxi78
Profile Joined May 2010
966 Posts
June 07 2012 14:04 GMT
#5942
On June 07 2012 22:45 chuscorral wrote:
I think the only way to convice the exceptics, will be with good estadistics, I can´t do it cause im just Biologist, but my brother is Dr, in Physics, and works allday with stadistics, he studies Hearthuakes Hurricans... stadistically. Anyways I will not know if he will have time for such a unimportat matter.

But lets think a lite bit, take and acction where Spades move his army by luck ( one that he admited was luck, cause he was cutting corners)
If he could move rigth or let its 50% of probability, BUT, he can move Rigth- Left- Top - Down also Diagonal etc.
He also can move now or maybe 10s After of Before....
also he can move 1 cm Rigth or 10cm.

Lets give somo air to Spades Maybe the pixel where he clicked is the perfect one he needed, but maybe the ones closer will bee also good, so, unless saying " he cliked in the perfect pixel over a million, whe can define an area where the acction will be also lucky.

So its not 1 in a million but 100 in a million (numbers are invented i don´t know how many pixels are in the map)

All of this can be calculated, the when whe have the probability of event A whe just need the probability of all events A,B,C,D..... etc.

Im quite shure that at least it will be: 99,9999......

PD: excuse me for my bad English.


adorable english.
but yea it's the idea, even though you should do statistics about the number of fog of war views in his normal games where we are sure he didn't hack, if it's like an average of, i don't know 10, he will have a hard time convincing us he didn't look a single time in fow during a bo7 for no reason.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-07 14:11:28
June 07 2012 14:05 GMT
#5943
On June 07 2012 22:59 JinDesu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2012 22:52 ZenithM wrote:
On June 07 2012 22:32 Martijn wrote:
On June 07 2012 22:25 ZenithM wrote:
On June 07 2012 22:20 Martijn wrote:
On June 07 2012 21:51 ZenithM wrote:
Nobody forced his team to kick him out.


We didn't kick him out. Get it right.

I can read what "you" wrote in the statement. What I wrote myself is my interpretation.


Your interpretation which is based on nothing but your own imagination. The statement we released is not ambiguous. If we had conclusive proof he cheated while part of WW we would kicked him, 0 tolerance. We don't, so we didn't. He left by choice to protect the team from this rampage. You don't have to believe me, but if you're going to speculate based on nothing, state that you're making it up.

Well, as you said, I don't have to believe you, so who made up what in the end?

Bah, let's stop here the word plays: I believe his team kicked him out.
But it's based on more than just my imagination. The thing is, it's way better for you both (WW and Spades) to have him leave "on his own", from a Public Relations stand.
If you kicked him out, you're the assholes who kicked the poor innocent guy out of the team (no conclusive proof as you said), or he's the guy his own team acknowledged as a cheater, even though there is no proof yet.
With this deal, Spades is the honorable guy who doesn't want his team's reputation to suffer, and you, well, are completely neutral.
Regardless of what this really is, I've always said the best move would have been to hold tight until the storm's passed, if he's really innocent. I didn't know WW existed until this incident (and now I'm even using an acronym), and as far as I understand, Spades was its only SC2 player, so it's not like some "reputation" would have been hurt...

But eh, it's not like I have conclusive proof that you kicked him out. Innocent until proven guilty.


Your initial post accused the team of kicking him out. The team stated they did not kick him out. End of story.

It's fine to say "I believe they kicked him out" - but your initial post didn't include "I believe".

Well, assuming I read the statement (which I did, obviously), and I say something in contradiction with it even though I'm in no position to back up my statement, obviously it's my belief...
But I agree, I wasn't precise enough, I'll choose my words more carefully next time.

Edit: I don't think his team should have anything to do with the accusations in this thread by the way, unless they have information we don't and want to share with us. Just to precise that I'm not bashing the team in any way.
Edit2: Well, I kinda implied they lied in their statement, so I guess that could be seen as "bashing" :D. But what I'm "accusing" them of is more like a good PR move I would perfectly understand, rather than a dishonest lie. I have nothing against those guys :D.
TumNarDok
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany854 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-07 14:19:19
June 07 2012 14:12 GMT
#5944
On June 07 2012 22:47 Slipspace wrote:
Sorry but 50 replays of him playing and moving around the map one way compared to a showmatch of him playing and moving around the map completely differently that just happens to tie in with a feature of a maphack is 100% convincing to me. You just don't suddenly play differently in this kind of game.


Hi!
6th try now, can you name please like 3 or 4 replays with their names - from the 100 he released from May/June?
I have watched some from the 100 and the the Theo, Golden ones, but couldn't find this yet.

Thanks!

Edit: or a post where these are summarized maybe?
Diizzy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States828 Posts
June 07 2012 14:24 GMT
#5945
and lucifron does not care because he won a fun show match. anyways this is going no where and should be close. or comments should be 100% proof he hacks
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-07 16:21:30
June 07 2012 14:27 GMT
#5946
The idea that some friends of Spades all get on their separate accounts and try to defend Spades in these forums is a possibility you know...

In any case, I am not saying this is the case, just be careful of feeding the trolls in a case like this. There is not much left to discuss unless you are still looking for hard proof.

Edit: Spades, just remember to keep in mind there is a bigger life out there than SC2 if you are in fact feeling bad. People learn from bigger mistakes all the time to turn their lives around. Whatever you decide to pursue (gaming or non-related) good luck.
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
-ForeverAlone-
Profile Joined June 2011
274 Posts
June 07 2012 14:50 GMT
#5947
Maybe he did this to go out in a big bang so he'd be remembered? I can't think anyone is stupid enough to once again hack ... and not even for a prizepool?
omg terran is hard to play
intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-07 18:33:40
June 07 2012 15:51 GMT
#5948
this thread is just bickering now

edit: don't worry, we are discussing this and waiting for some staff to get back from E3. it's not a simple issue - we have to carefully consider potential future statements and policies.
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