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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody.

Additionally, a supporting comment of what people should be looking for and when will be necessary if you are posting replays/evidence.
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-20 12:00:00
May 20 2013 11:55 GMT
#5921
On May 20 2013 20:29 Generalul wrote:
When you report someone for a real life threat, you are warned that abusing this feature will result in action taken against your account. The same should be with reporting cheaters. Yes, you can make an honest mistake and report someone who just was more skilled than you, but if you do it every time you lose because you are bad, then by all means, you should receive a warning, and then a temporary ban. This will discourage false reporting, and players will be more carefull about it, will watch the replay carefully, upload it here for analysis for example etc. Still, the real reports should then be taken into account and acted upon, thing that doesn't happen now...

They can even implement some sort of credibility rating, like reports from users who have raised false alarms in the future will be analysed last, while reports coming from people who have correctly identified maphackers in the past should receive top priority.

These and others are very simple measures that can be taken by Blizzard in order to keep a clean game, i am surprised about how badly they handle this increasing problem...


i think an automated system based on outlier detection of various estimated skill parameters that feeds suspicious cases to a thread like this would be a good and feasible solution.

a maphacker is stuck at a given mmr because he is terrible compared to his opponents in skills that does not involve scouting.

edit: he is probably terrible at scouting too, but he doesn't have to. ;>

edit edit: you would only have to worry about a relatively small portion of the mmr range as well, since the hacker to sc2 player ratio is negligible for most mmrs because of how easy it is to play if you don't have to scout (or macro) combined with most people preferring to play minesweeper with the mines hidden.

i was meaning on writing a blog about this, hopefully this summer.
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
MooLen
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany501 Posts
May 20 2013 13:19 GMT
#5922
Hi guys,

i had just a totaly weird expierience. I played a normal laddergame and suddenly someone (i suppose a keylogger or sth.) controled my units and selected and deselected my armyhotkeys and stuff. But im not completely sure about it. My question is, could someone look at the replay and see if there are some actions in the same frame so i can get sure if i got hacked or not?

Thanks in advance!
http://drop.sc/335902
MaxQT
Profile Joined January 2013
69 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-20 13:40:30
May 20 2013 13:40 GMT
#5923
On May 20 2013 22:19 MooLen wrote:
Hi guys,

i had just a totaly weird expierience. I played a normal laddergame and suddenly someone (i suppose a keylogger or sth.) controled my units and selected and deselected my armyhotkeys and stuff. But im not completely sure about it. My question is, could someone look at the replay and see if there are some actions in the same frame so i can get sure if i got hacked or not?

Thanks in advance!
http://drop.sc/335902


That's impossible, all these things are clientside and noting except a third party program installed on your computer can modify them.

Check if you some keys on your keyboard are bugged.
Nekovivie
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2599 Posts
May 20 2013 13:43 GMT
#5924
On May 20 2013 22:40 MaxQT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2013 22:19 MooLen wrote:
Hi guys,

i had just a totaly weird expierience. I played a normal laddergame and suddenly someone (i suppose a keylogger or sth.) controled my units and selected and deselected my armyhotkeys and stuff. But im not completely sure about it. My question is, could someone look at the replay and see if there are some actions in the same frame so i can get sure if i got hacked or not?

Thanks in advance!
http://drop.sc/335902


That's impossible, all these things are clientside and noting except a third party program installed on your computer can modify them.

Check if you some keys on your keyboard are bugged.


Maybe it was a ghost B)
If you are not supporting K-Pop you are hurting E-Sports.
NbForLife
Profile Joined July 2011
France14 Posts
May 20 2013 19:06 GMT
#5925
Hi all,

After a long time no played im back old master player terran.
And 2nd game after placement a noob Protoss maphacker

Name : [RueGs] Segosh
Server : EU
League : Diamond

http://drop.sc/335956

Nothing to say, its so blatant
I will not come back for a long time...
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
May 20 2013 19:11 GMT
#5926
On May 21 2013 04:06 NbForLife wrote:
Hi all,

After a long time no played im back old master player terran.
And 2nd game after placement a noob Protoss maphacker

Name : [RueGs] Segosh
Server : EU
League : Diamond

http://drop.sc/335956

Nothing to say, its so blatant
I will not come back for a long time...


If you're too lazy to give a description, I hope and assume everyone else is too lazy to download your replay and bother.
We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
gillon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1578 Posts
May 20 2013 21:47 GMT
#5927
Hello, just played a very suspicious TvT.

Name: llllllllllll
Server: EU
League: Master

Replay: http://drop.sc/335999

I'm top, he's bottom.

1. 12:40-13:40: Notice how he moves his entire army to guard his third against my hellions - no map vision, no scans. Just goes there without any queue. If I was going up his natural he'd be losing a mineral line.

2. 16:09-16:30: Jedi snipes dual hellbat drop, pretty sick game sense.

3. 18:15-18:55: Both moving armies fighting for position, me using scans to know where his army is, him using no scan and seemingly knowing when to move through the choke - first scan used, not to see anything, just to make tanks shoot stuff.

4. 21:45-22:20: Jedi snipes another drop, a second time. wat.

These are the things I picked up on, not sure what to look for in sc2gears so can't really check that. In general he didn't really try to take vision or whatever and didn't scan at all. It's mindboggling.
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prOpSnuffe
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden241 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-20 22:10:16
May 20 2013 22:09 GMT
#5928
On May 21 2013 06:47 gillon wrote:
Hello, just played a very suspicious TvT.

Name: llllllllllll
Server: EU
League: Master

Replay: http://drop.sc/335999

I'm top, he's bottom.

1. 12:40-13:40: Notice how he moves his entire army to guard his third against my hellions - no map vision, no scans. Just goes there without any queue. If I was going up his natural he'd be losing a mineral line.

2. 16:09-16:30: Jedi snipes dual hellbat drop, pretty sick game sense.

3. 18:15-18:55: Both moving armies fighting for position, me using scans to know where his army is, him using no scan and seemingly knowing when to move through the choke - first scan used, not to see anything, just to make tanks shoot stuff.

4. 21:45-22:20: Jedi snipes another drop, a second time. wat.

These are the things I picked up on, not sure what to look for in sc2gears so can't really check that. In general he didn't really try to take vision or whatever and didn't scan at all. It's mindboggling.


Watched the replay, very suspicious, aside from everything gillon said, he never once tried to take map control besides watchtowers, no scans and he didn't build a single turret the whole game.
Best starcraft 2 player of all time? INnoVation
HpplVgn
Profile Joined December 2012
27 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 02:38:29
May 21 2013 02:31 GMT
#5929
On May 21 2013 04:06 NbForLife wrote:
Hi all,

After a long time no played im back old master player terran.
And 2nd game after placement a noob Protoss maphacker

Name : [RueGs] Segosh
Server : EU
League : Diamond

http://drop.sc/335956

Nothing to say, its so blatant
I will not come back for a long time...


tbh , both of you seem suspecious if you ask me(You because you over scout for a while then sudenly you dont scout for a 3rd for ages lol). You actully scout more then normal and he doesnt scout and how you could call out "MH" , "Nice map hack" by only losing a SCV in a pretty normal spot is kinda wierd if you ask me. Also your such a fucking dickhead , no way you could call maphack during that game without watching replay first. Tbh you have some evidence but not conclusive at all =). He could just play greedy and ye his army compostion is kinda bad so I guess if I was maphacking I would change that alot xd
NbForLife
Profile Joined July 2011
France14 Posts
May 21 2013 07:11 GMT
#5930
On May 21 2013 11:31 HpplVgn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 04:06 NbForLife wrote:
Hi all,

After a long time no played im back old master player terran.
And 2nd game after placement a noob Protoss maphacker

Name : [RueGs] Segosh
Server : EU
League : Diamond

http://drop.sc/335956

Nothing to say, its so blatant
I will not come back for a long time...


tbh , both of you seem suspecious if you ask me(You because you over scout for a while then sudenly you dont scout for a 3rd for ages lol). You actully scout more then normal and he doesnt scout and how you could call out "MH" , "Nice map hack" by only losing a SCV in a pretty normal spot is kinda wierd if you ask me. Also your such a fucking dickhead , no way you could call maphack during that game without watching replay first. Tbh you have some evidence but not conclusive at all =). He could just play greedy and ye his army compostion is kinda bad so I guess if I was maphacking I would change that alot xd


Hmm me maphacker you are really good, bronze player ?
He kill my svc scout in just one direction if you saw, he a move my army in fog of war, never scoutt all game, just send some marines to scout, he just prepares when i attack so...
Normally i use to stream my games on http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/NbForLife, i will stream tonight so yeah i maphack a lot.
Azz
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia65 Posts
May 21 2013 10:03 GMT
#5931
Hi all,

This player called fishrod basically just scouts my 3rd with no scan, engages battles and looks into fog before we engage, and gets his ghosts to target templars before he can see them,very obvious game plz add to list.


Name : Fishrod
Server : NA
League : Masters


http://drop.sc/336128
Nogard
Profile Joined July 2011
Italy40 Posts
May 21 2013 13:42 GMT
#5932
I'm adding more evidence for fraser:
http://drop.sc/336158
Just the perfect blind counter against my 1 base
bGr.MetHiX
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria511 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 14:13:00
May 21 2013 13:46 GMT
#5933
Guys , please confirm Fraser, i played him on my stream twice, blatant maphacker and a really bad player.

I won both games against him even though he was maphacking AND tuned in to my stream to streamcheat too.

he threatened me he would contact my sponsors because i was telling him how bad of a player he was during our games really pathetic person.

http://drop.sc/336160

http://drop.sc/336161

ps : it's a shame that nowadays i start my maphacker reports in bnet with "I know u guys at Blizzard dont generally give a fuck about maphacking on ur servers but i thought i should report this guy" . Hope this works. Farbauti is still running rampant on EU servers.
Top50 GM EU Protoss from Bulgaria. Streaming with commentary : www.twitch.tv/hwbgmethix
MistSC2
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden583 Posts
May 21 2013 13:59 GMT
#5934
Please blizzard ban Fraser. Hes the biggest scumbag on this earth, its so obvious he hacks too .
Maru, TY, Clem <3
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
May 21 2013 14:01 GMT
#5935
my apologies.
you will have to be patient. finals coming up in a week.
planning to do a solid update i'm done with those.

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conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
HpplVgn
Profile Joined December 2012
27 Posts
May 21 2013 14:03 GMT
#5936
On May 21 2013 16:11 NbForLife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 11:31 HpplVgn wrote:
On May 21 2013 04:06 NbForLife wrote:
Hi all,

After a long time no played im back old master player terran.
And 2nd game after placement a noob Protoss maphacker

Name : [RueGs] Segosh
Server : EU
League : Diamond

http://drop.sc/335956

Nothing to say, its so blatant
I will not come back for a long time...


tbh , both of you seem suspecious if you ask me(You because you over scout for a while then sudenly you dont scout for a 3rd for ages lol). You actully scout more then normal and he doesnt scout and how you could call out "MH" , "Nice map hack" by only losing a SCV in a pretty normal spot is kinda wierd if you ask me. Also your such a fucking dickhead , no way you could call maphack during that game without watching replay first. Tbh you have some evidence but not conclusive at all =). He could just play greedy and ye his army compostion is kinda bad so I guess if I was maphacking I would change that alot xd


Hmm me maphacker you are really good, bronze player ?

He kill my svc scout in just one direction if you saw, he a move my army in fog of war, never scoutt all game, just send some marines to scout, he just prepares when i attack so...
Normally i use to stream my games on http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/NbForLife, i will stream tonight so yeah i maphack a lot.



Are you dumb ? I am high master, and I dunno how the hell on earth you could call maphack DURING the game. Thats just as suspecious to me as his play!
HpplVgn
Profile Joined December 2012
27 Posts
May 21 2013 14:41 GMT
#5937
Name:sokaR
League:Master
Region:EU

.http://drop.sc/336165

total counters everything I do the whole game and how he scouts always the correct ways(doesnt bother to scoute his own natural or main , if you first scout for proxy those are pretty obvious to scout first).
Not saying its a clear case , but I think its pretty wierd.
TemujinGK
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States483 Posts
May 21 2013 15:09 GMT
#5938
Name: Fryojagadre
League: Diamond (but playing at mid-high master MMR which is where I am hence submission to this thread)
Region: EU

http://drop.sc/336168

Game on whirlwind, without overlord poke in he notes in chat that i'm a "noob" for going hatch gas pool, "so greedy" and such. No early drone scout, no overlord poke beyond my hatch's vision. The game progresses, he allins with ling bane, afterwards he starts talking about how i need more drones (obviously lost ~10 in the attack and barely survived though the game was over already. The game continues to progress and he never pokes in my main with his flock of mutalisks despite never seeing the spores nor infestors waiting, no changeling no overlord no ling scout that i was able to identify by the time mutalisks were out. Continuing on, he has his entire flock of zerglings waiting for me at his fourth when i send 15-20 lings for a runby. It's possible he just judged the timing superbly well but i ran around the entire outside of the map, so it would be a feat: though possible. He finds a nydus instantly, we're talking within 3 seconds of it starting he has his entire army descending upon it.

he also goes ultra after having being severely down in upgrades the whole game, he has ~1/3 (with ultra plating that is) when i have ~2/4 after having been ahead the whole game. This could just be a strange coincidence but all this put together, especially the commenting on things in the fog of war and seemingly admitting to hacking to me definitely means he's a maphacker. In addition a low diamond (apparently drop.sc notes him as rank 54 plat despite it displaying diamond in game, again peculiar) in rank player playing mid-high masters is not unheard of if they've had a lucky run, but it is again unusual enough to be noted.
"Pikachu and Protoss are both yellow, Coincidence?" ~apexMorroW
Nyast
Profile Joined November 2010
Belgium554 Posts
May 21 2013 16:12 GMT
#5939
Here's a GM that maps/production hacks on his stream, doesn't even try to hide it, gg:



Blizzard, oh Blizzard, where art you ?
( bush
Profile Joined April 2011
321 Posts
May 21 2013 16:35 GMT
#5940
That top 50 GM on KR server is what makes me sad in this video.
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