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jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
May 18 2012 23:14 GMT
#561
That's annoying. I was still working through the filters in preparation for LYLO

Turns out BioSC was right about the four townies. Shame he picked the wrong lurker.

BioSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States636 Posts
May 18 2012 23:28 GMT
#562
Turning point in the game was the lurker lynch. Austin was completely right about when calling out the lurkers, they immediately came out worried. Looking back, he was absolutely right. Too bad I couldn't extend my town read to the mafia. Seriously... 2/3 chance to get it right...
Bio - Breaking it down
Unforgiven_ve
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Venezuela1232 Posts
May 19 2012 00:04 GMT
#563
On May 19 2012 08:12 BioSC wrote:
Of course, I can blame lurking all I want. Mafia didn't even have to do anything. Town basically killed itself.


this is true, but we lurked not because we wanted, it was really real life fucking it up. Day 3 lynch i really declined some action just to play lol.

My roleblock to Hyaach for 2 days was just gosu skill ;D

GG everyone
:)
Unforgiven_ve
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Venezuela1232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-19 00:16:47
May 19 2012 00:08 GMT
#564
Unforgiven_ve Roleblocks Hyaach
Hyaach Shoots Dahdum
Mafia Shoot Dahdum

FirmTofu Shoots Mufaa

i never thought it could be 2 vigilantes in the game :S
:)
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
May 19 2012 00:26 GMT
#565
Wow. watched this thing since 4 days ago and i never had my money on Unforgiven.
Tofu and Bio, and Hyvaach to some extent seemed like they were scummy, even after there was only 2 scum left.
☺
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 19 2012 00:28 GMT
#566
Tofu shouldn't have said he was gonna post a big case and then continually not. that's not good.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
BioSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States636 Posts
May 19 2012 00:38 GMT
#567
On May 19 2012 09:04 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 08:12 BioSC wrote:
Of course, I can blame lurking all I want. Mafia didn't even have to do anything. Town basically killed itself.


this is true, but we lurked not because we wanted, it was really real life fucking it up. Day 3 lynch i really declined some action just to play lol.

My roleblock to Hyaach for 2 days was just gosu skill ;D

GG everyone


I honestly believe we had a shot to win if we would have lynched one of you two day 3.

UGH I'm gonna go be depressed for a while.
Bio - Breaking it down
Mufaa
Profile Joined October 2010
219 Posts
May 19 2012 00:40 GMT
#568
Wow. I wasn't expecting that to end n3 lol. Hopefully buddying up to Austin threw you guys off a bit. I was expecting to get Vig'd n3 or 4 since I was trying to stay near the top of everyones radar without ever being a lynch target but when you hit me n2 I got really scared that the remaining mafia were lurking so hardcore. Thankfully for us the towns overall level of activity was so low that it wasn't really suspicious to coast by on one-liners and light analysis.

GG everyone, hopefully this will teach people the level of activity required for a game of mafia so we don't have such a passive town in the future.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
May 19 2012 02:24 GMT
#569
Jesus, that was well played. I was so suspicious of lurkers, but every time town got active I'd also get suspicious of some townies as well. At first I figured something was up when both of you guys popped up after I was calling you out, but those final posts were honest and I'd kind of backed off you.

Unforgiven, you did a really nice job and came off much townier compared to our other lurkers. I don't think I would have ended up pegging you for scum, with bio, firm, and crossfire all being higher on my radar.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
May 19 2012 02:37 GMT
#570
Tofu, did you send in that shot before my last couple posts or after?

I've got some postgame thoughts and questions, but would love to see obs qt if there was one, or any postgame thoughts from more experienced players, before posting them.
Fe fi fo fum.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
May 19 2012 03:22 GMT
#571
Ill be along with some analysis on each player some time in the next 24 hours.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
May 19 2012 12:56 GMT
#572
Obs QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/bTr2tvBe4swc
jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
May 19 2012 17:09 GMT
#573
On May 19 2012 09:08 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
i never thought it could be 2 vigilantes in the game :S

I thought maybe you'd figured it given that you shot Tofu. Tofu being a real multi-shot vig was the only solution that didn't require either him or Hyaach to be a complete idiot. Failing to post a case overnight like that is a strong red/blue tell, and you knew Tofu wasn't scum. Did you think he was DT instead?

Of course I just assumed that Hyaach was newbie vig and Tofu was scum

Pretty funny that Hyaach's vig breadcrumb was entirely false until he inherited the vig status from Jailbreaker.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
May 19 2012 18:01 GMT
#574
I really enjoyed playing, and appreciate you guys hosting newbie games. REALLY started feeling noobish after pushing lynches on some townies and then hitting D3 where we just...didn't have as much info as we'd have liked.

Well played all, nice work mafia, looks like we were all pretty content to find each other suspicious and not keep pressuring you guys. I'm guessing we could have done better with the info we had, but you guys really didn't give up much and we didn't get a lot in the way of info out of our blue roles to close that gap.

At least in my head, that's my biggest takeaway for our town play. We had activity some days, not others, but really just never had anything concrete to work off of. I know that we shouldn't be reliant on our blue roles, and we did get our only scum kill off of hyaach's shot, but I felt like we didn't get much in the way of info from them. If everyone is suspicious and nobody is confirmed come D3, should we be looking to claim, even if you're not an info role, just to try and confirm a few townies? With good breadcrumbs or sensible claims, I feel like we maybe could have come up with a better lynch target than "Pick a lurker" (although man we got a little "unlucky"). I'm sure we could have reasoned through the lynch better, but if we'd have even just one blue confirmed it would have helped. I know the obs QT wasn't terrible active, but it didn't seem like the active observers nailed the scumteam either. Combination of good mafia play and town inactivity? Or mainly one of those?

Personally, I feel like I didn't play all that well. I think I was overly spammy at some points, but when I tried to cut back on that I ended up not posting at all. The mislynches I'm okay with, I thought I had decent reads and we had some agreement from others there. But I don't think I had a consistent idea of how I wanted to approach the game and play. D1 I tunneled hard on brood, D2 I tried to pull back and not push so hard for a darkfire lynch, and by the time D3 rolled around and crossfire was my top read, I just didn't want to push it because I knew I'd been wrong twice. Couldn't find any kind of sweet spot of exactly how much to trust myself, how vocal to be, and especially how to play the endgame.

Sorry to Brood for pushing you so hard D1. Sorry Anac for ignoring some of your posts. But thanks all for making it enjoyable.






Fe fi fo fum.
jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
May 19 2012 18:47 GMT
#575
On May 20 2012 03:01 austinmcc wrote:
I know that we shouldn't be reliant on our blue roles, and we did get our only scum kill off of hyaach's shot, but I felt like we didn't get much in the way of info from them. If everyone is suspicious and nobody is confirmed come D3, should we be looking to claim, even if you're not an info role, just to try and confirm a few townies?

Hyaach didn't get the scum kill, Tofu did. Which was the problem. Hyaach couldn't claim because it wasn't his kill, and Tofu didn't want to claim because he was a multi-shot vig and he wasn't under much pressure.

I don't think you'd get far by massclaiming because fakeclaiming is so easy in C9++. Claimers had better have good logic and preferably proof behind their claim. Roleblocks should have been claimed at least though.

And yeah, if your blue roles don't give you anything, you're almost certainly going to lose unless the scum team played horribly.


With good breadcrumbs or sensible claims, I feel like we maybe could have come up with a better lynch target than "Pick a lurker" (although man we got a little "unlucky"). I'm sure we could have reasoned through the lynch better, but if we'd have even just one blue confirmed it would have helped. I know the obs QT wasn't terrible active, but it didn't seem like the active observers nailed the scumteam either. Combination of good mafia play and town inactivity? Or mainly one of those?

The scumteam didn't do much wrong, but they weren't under a lot of pressure. I think earlier in the game they were preparing for a Mufaa bus, but they did a good job on that. Mufaa didn't leave much of use in his filter either.

Scum did give you a good shot at winning the game through their lurking. If you'd picked one of the two scum lurkers, they'd have had little chance of dodging the hit because of their lack of influence. Note that with a lurker lynch, it's really important to pick the lurker yourself, otherwise scum could easily pick a town lurker for you.

BKE and Hyaach were both playing very blue, which unfortunately made them good lynches in a town that lacked obviously scummy play (apart from Anacletus' early stuff). Defensive claiming would at least have given them good alibis. Didn't like the look of the Darkfire lynch much, but day 2 was an activity disaster anyway.

Unforgiven_ve
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Venezuela1232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-19 19:00:56
May 19 2012 18:57 GMT
#576
You helped us a lot, thanks anacletus! ;D Maybe if town were a little more active and whitout the modkill you would have a victory. I personally didnt felt much pressure, thanks to the slow weekend and mothers day. The lucky shot from SHaopi on me, made our target easier. He was the first i proposed even before N1 came.
:)
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-19 19:01:24
May 19 2012 18:57 GMT
#577
On May 20 2012 03:47 jaj22 wrote:

Hyaach didn't get the scum kill, Tofu did. Which was the problem. Hyaach couldn't claim because it wasn't his kill, and Tofu didn't want to claim because he was a multi-shot vig and he wasn't under much pressure.


Sumtiems ah reed gud. Didn't go back and check the actions today and had that wrong.

Fe fi fo fum.
Unforgiven_ve
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Venezuela1232 Posts
May 19 2012 19:03 GMT
#578
Do OP alwats post the QT of mafia at the end of the game?
:)
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
May 19 2012 19:47 GMT
#579
Ahh.. sad times for us townies I guess. But activity (or lack thereof) really punished us I guess.
Could the OP post the QT of Mafia? I would be really interested in it
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Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
May 19 2012 20:59 GMT
#580
Certainly: Mafia QT

http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/aNfjZuvH7C9
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