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Hyaach

Singapore1737 Posts

May 18 2012 01:44 GMT

#541

The time difference screw me up or i would have come to my own defense.

Unforgiven_ve

Venezuela1232 Posts

May 18 2012 03:33 GMT

#542

I'm posting from a phone so I can't quote.

This is just great another blue, Tofu, please, how in hell can you make effing post at the end
Of the day and say “don't vote for him to prove your are towniw” WTF?? Say your danm reasons
Don't come here after a decision has beend made and ramdonly say vote for another
Player. We are sti waiting for your ZOMG SUPER HARDCORE SO INGSITHFUL POST . Give
Your danm reasons now!

Also, Tofu, its the 3rd day now, and you still have scheldue issues? I understand on day 1, but
Day 3?? You should have had that figured out already, I saw the voting period closed at 8pm TL time, I cheked my watch
And VOILA ITS 6:30PM FOR ME, its not that hard.

I'm really frustrated right now, anothe blue is dead and he may have had more bullets on him, I doubt
There is another vigilante out there. Medic, make a wise choice please!

So, austin and bio, my fears just became bigger, I belived tofu was a townie, I need to see his some reasons now, maybe it was a lucky guess.

I know this is ”newbie” mafia, but come on, we can't win this way, I thought it was not possible
This became more lame since anacletus, but I have been proved wrong

BioSC

United States636 Posts

May 18 2012 03:35 GMT

#543

Well, I took a risk, and it didn't pay off. I love how I've become suspect number one though. All I can say is that I hope people actually discuss and talk about whom they are going to vote for when I flip. Because I guarantee people wont like it when I do.

All I can do now is defend myself against Firm's case. Hopefully it's enough to sway enough people towards not lynching me, but it may be too late for that. I'm off for the night, good luck to the rest of town.

To the medic, if we have one, protect the one you believe that is on the most correct path.

Anacletus

United States733 Posts

May 18 2012 03:42 GMT

#544

I'll make a well thought out post on these events tomorrow. I'm too tired and busy right now.

Unforgiven_ve

Venezuela1232 Posts

May 18 2012 03:43 GMT

#545

If someone is online please post. I want to get some feedback about today.

Unforgiven_ve

Venezuela1232 Posts

May 18 2012 04:12 GMT

#546

I don't like that I'm seeing the “if you kill me you gonna regret it“ defense. We can do better than that

BioSC

United States636 Posts

May 18 2012 04:23 GMT

#547

On May 18 2012 13:12 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
I don't like that I'm seeing the “if you kill me you gonna regret it“ defense. We can do better than that

What do I have to go on? People are switching to me and posting nothing about it. Like I said in my post, until Tofu comes in with his super amazing going to save the day post about me, I have nothing to add that hasn't already been said.

Now I'm really off for the night. Tomorrow, I will be free to discuss.

BioSC

United States636 Posts

May 18 2012 14:33 GMT

#548

Morning. As I'm sure that people are still steaming from yesterday's lynch, I would like to just post a quick update on some thoughts of mine.

FirmTofu: You have no reason now to withold your case about me. None at all. I don't particularly care what your reasons are out of thread, for all I and anyone else knows you could be making things up. That being said, if you don't post your case and mafia shoots you, the game will be all but over. Post your case, I'll argue against it, and the rest of town can decide for themselves.

To the Town: If Tofu's case against me is mostly about yesterday's lynch, I strongly urge you all to look into that as being scummy. Ask yourselves why he withheld this case for 2 RL days. Did he not have any decisive evidence? Did he want to make sure I suggested a lynch on a townie so he could frame me for it? Either way, I sincerely doubt that this post was so long and detailed that it took nearly 2 days to finish. If I were truly scum, him posting that case may have saved a blue.

Unforgiven_ve

Venezuela1232 Posts

May 18 2012 17:29 GMT

#549

i agree whit that, he has been talking about his post for so long its just ridiculous now, i hope its a 50 pages long post

Unforgiven_ve

Venezuela1232 Posts

May 18 2012 17:32 GMT

#550

not much activity since last night i see, why people, WHY!?

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

May 18 2012 22:27 GMT

#551

Looks like everyone wanted to play their cards close to the vest tonight. I'm still squarely placing BioSC as scum. A couple thoughts, before night ends and before I've got to leave for the night.

- His playstyle changed as of D3, after mufaa died. Whereas before, we had some reads from now-confirmed townies that he was scummy for playing passive and defensive, all of a sudden he starts to be a lot more (pro)active. This post - + Show Spoiler +

On May 18 2012 04:49 BioSC wrote:Something else I've thought about last night before I went to bed, was the possibility of us 4 discussing/bringing up topics in this day vote (You, Me, Tofu, Anacletus) are all Town, and that the remaining mafia members are the lurkers waiting to come in and swing vote whomever has the most votes at the time. With Tofu's case against me coming up, I highly suspect he will be voting for me, and possibly dragging Anacletus along with him. That would still leave you with the lynch, unless of course votes are swapped.

Say you believe that us 4 are town. You've at least stated that you believe that You, FirmTofu, and Anacletus are town. If you had to lynch a lurker by your own definition, who reads as strongest scum to you? At this point, hitting a lurker feels more right to me, again, tough to say based on my own case against Ana.

It's fine if you read me as scum. I want to prove to town that I'm not. My unvote I hope moves thought in that direction. I feel that if you believe me as scum, I have more to risk by unvoting Anacletus and discussing a lynch on lurkers more than if I kept with my vote on Ana.

It's not something I'm completely 100% sold on, but I feel like the possibility of us 4 being all town needs to come up.

- felt slightly out of place. He has a sudden change of heart, now wants to actively look at lurkers, whereas before he'd been busy calling out Anac and I. He has this the day after mufaa gets vigied.

- My thought process on that is that, before Mufaa got shot, D3 was MYLO. All mafia had to do was push one mislynch and they win. It was going to be 5/3, a lynch and a nightkill would give them even numbers and then win. However, the vig shot caught scum off guard and brought the numbers to 5/2. Now D3 is no longer MYLO, and their plans are in trouble. Whereas before, BioSC had been pushing Anac, all of a sudden he stops. Anac may have seemed like an easy target to push for a mislynch, but now if we lynch him and he flips green, the game's not guaranteed anymore.

- That explains the change in playstyle, because whereas before he'd been able to sit back, now mufaa is dead and scum's plans have to change somewhat. He pushes lurkers, and specifically mentions Hyaach before I vote for Hyaach. I'm alright with that lynch, but I don't love that he suggests the target without a vote himself, only joining later. Looking back, should have been more vocal about targeting the one lurker that was in a different time zone and might not jump to his own defense.

- Also, note the people who have been suspicious of BioSC throughout the game. + Show Spoiler +

On May 14 2012 12:06 BioSC wrote:
Honestly, the people that keep bringing me up are 3. Dahdum, Darkfire, and YOU.

. That was to Anac. We lynched dark, and dahdum got shot N3. Anac, it seems, is a town read for most of us at this point? That's what it looked like with people unvoting him yesterday at least. Which means we've got 2 confirmed town and a townread suspicious of Bio. Tofu mentions this as a possible reason for the N3 kill on dahdum. + Show Spoiler +

On May 18 2012 09:39 FirmTofu wrote:
I'll be dead by tomorrow, out of necessity for the mafia. It will be one less vote against Bio which I suspect is why they killed dahdum as well

I can work on a more substantial case during D4, but my main reasons for saying that BioSC is confirmed in my eyes is that he seemed scummy to a lot of town before, had that slightly scummy read on him. Then mufaa dies and his playstyle changes immensely. During the course of D3 he becomes helpful, drumming up discussion, suggesting votes, finally voting himself. Whereas before he'd playing so passively and defensively, and had been tunneling Anac for a bit. I think he steers the vote onto lurkers D3 so as not to get either Anac or I lynched D3, which would cause some trouble for him D4 once we flip green. All of a sudden with mufaa dead you don't need 1 mislynch, you've got a get a new strat together that covers two days.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

May 18 2012 22:41 GMT

#552

D3 also weakened my town read on FirmTofu, and here's why.

- Some bits always seemed a little weird. His massive D1 accusation compilation, for instance. + Show Spoiler +

. In and of itself, I don't get anything from that. Maybe he's trying to be helpful, maybe he's trying to gum up the thread and create a lot of random discussion topics.

- On D2, he keeps some votes off BioSC. + Show Spoiler +

On May 15 2012 07:59 FirmTofu wrote:
Unforgiven, please vote Darkfire. This is our only shot. I believe AT LEAST 2/3 votes on BioSC are mafia.

This is all or nothing.

On May 15 2012 08:06 FirmTofu wrote:

Show nested quote +

Consider this, Day 1 you accused BioSC of mafia with a single-minded focus then Day 2 randomly decided he was town. Then when you were about to be voted to death, you decided to lynch him anyway. How is that not scummy yo?

If anything, your death should be attributed solely to you because you've made a very bad case for yourself.

. Again, not scummy in and of itself. But if you read BioSC as scum, it looks a little odd.

- Then he and Bio start off D3 early just kind of toying with each other. You give me your reads. No, you give me your reads. Oh stop it you, you go first. Neither hard calling the other out, explicitly, just sort of badgering each other. Perhaps, with mufaa dead, trying to put some distance between each other so even if one drops, the other gains some town cred?

- If that's your take, then the case on Bio doesn't matter at all. You see how D3 works. If town is suspicious of Bio, you post your case, claim some town cred, try to ride it to a solo victory. If they don't, you can still post it, or not, whatever. Anything that puts you and BioSC at odds is good now, because you need to create distance between the two remaining teammates.

- All the speculation about this case, this post, even if it appears and even if FirmTofu is town, has kind of harmed town. It helped to stifle SOME discussion of BioSC on D3, we sort of stopped discussing him waiting on that case (I know I did). It has stifled discussion N4, because nobody really wants to speak up until this thing is posted. No matter what the post contains, no matter how BioSC flips, town has suffered by waiting around for this magical case.

- Lastly, IF you read FirmTofu as scummy at all, then the medic request can feel off. We've seen 2 blues flip. That probably means another in the wings. If it's a medic, there's a decent chance that the NK gets protected. Absolute worst case scenario for mafia, because again, they've been planning for the MYLO day. NK makes it 3/2. A protect would keep us at 4/2, and really mess with plans if we lynch mafia, or another NK got protected, they're really in hot water. So by asking for the medic protect on himself, which is entirely reasonable given that we mostly read him as town, he can ensure that it won't be elsewhere and that tonight's shot doesn't get protted.

I am still mulling a BioSC/FirmTofu team over in my head. It's tough for me to fully come around on Firm, and to believe we had town lurking so hard and being inactive. But there's some odd interaction between the two after mufaa flips, and it shouldn't be overlooked. Literally woke up last night and started thinking about this, but wanted to wait and post. Again, waiting on Firm's post or case or excuses or anything has robbed town of any N4 discussion we may/may not have had.

This is posted in a bit of a rush before i have to leave, so let me know if anything in these two posts seems out of place. If the pieces don't fit. Heck, let me know if anyone else has been having similar suspicions.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

May 18 2012 22:45 GMT

#553

EBWOP: Forgot a point on Tofu.

- He notes that dahdum was suspicious of BioSC, and that might have been a reason to NK dahdum. However, dahdum was suspicious of BOTH of them, and in fact, brought up the possibility of the two being a team.

+ Show Spoiler +

On May 15 2012 13:34 dahdum wrote:
@FirmTofu - I noticed your play style this game is much more guarded than in the last game, and you were less active in this one early on (busy in QT?). When rereading your filters from both, it seems to me you are trying to be pro-town without really putting yourself out in front. Last game you also made a suspicion list (most to least) yourself as Town, yet flip out when I do the same in this game. Care to comment on this change in gameplay?

That accusation list must have taken a lot of effort, and looks pro-town, but how does it really help us? What did you unearth from that? Would you vote for BioSC?

On May 15 2012 13:45 dahdum wrote:

@BioSC - What is your read on FirmTofu? I'm convinced one or both of you is mafia, so I would find your thoughts interesting.

Also, other than that who would you vote for right now?

Anacletus

United States733 Posts

May 18 2012 22:51 GMT

#554

You guys made really great posts - and I was about to begin writing the post that I promised - but I believe you guys have put my sentiments out there prior - suspicions towards BioSC and FirmTofu.

Radfield

Canada2720 Posts

May 18 2012 23:01 GMT

#555

Day 4!!! Game Over!!!

FirmTofu, Vigilante has been Shot!
austinmcc, Vanilla Townie has been Shot!

BioSC and Anacletus have been endgamed!! Crossfire99 and Unforgiven_ve have successfully defeated town!!

Thanks for playing everyone!

+ Show Spoiler [Role List and Night Actions] +

Role List:

1.BroodKingEXE 1 Shot Cop
2.Mufaa Godfather
3.austinmcc Vanilla Town
4.ShiaoPi Vanilla Town
5.Jailbreaker 1 Shot Vigilante
6.Dahdum Vanilla Town
7.Darkfirex5 Vanilla Town
8.Crossfire99 Goon
9.FirmTofu Vigilante
10. Unforgiven_ve Roleblocker
11.BioSC Vanilla Town
12.Anacletus Vanilla Town
13.Hyaach Vanilla Town becomes 1 Shot Vigilante once Jailbreaker is modkilled

Night Actions:

Night 1:
Unforgiven_ve Roleblocks Hyaach
Mafia shoot ShiaoPi

Night 2:
Unforgiven_ve Roleblocks Hyaach
Hyaach Shoots Dahdum
Mafia Shoot Dahdum
FirmTofu Shoots Mufaa

Night 3:
Unforgiven_ve Roleblocks austinmcc
Mafia Shoot Firmtofu
FirmTofu Shoots austinmcc

marvellosity

United Kingdom36156 Posts

May 18 2012 23:04 GMT

#556

rofl gg

I had unforgiven as town after his girlfriend sex comment

must remember hilarious/cool != town