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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On December 07 2011 04:13 Blazinghand wrote: Note that I am not a fan of stopping the discussion at any point. EBWOP: I guess this statement isn't really true because I wanted to get us to stop talking at night. On the other hand, maybe it IS true because I'm discussing right now. I'm not 100% on this issue but I don't think my case is indefensible. | ||
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Velinath
United States694 Posts
On December 07 2011 04:09 Blazinghand wrote: Hm. That's true, the extra 24 hours may make the difference. On the other hand, it's worth noting that at the beginning of the day, we do receive another piece of information: assuming that either (a) there is no doctor or (b) the doctor guesses wrong, one of us dies and is a confirmed townie or blue. A dead confirmed townie or blue, but a confirmed townie or blue no less. This information might be unhelpful but it could also play a big role in terms of analysis. Going off your assumption that someone will end up dying tonight, why should we hold off on posting analysis? The more conversation that we can have before night ends, the more that the dead townie will be able to contribute before they die. Given this, I feel that we stand to gain more by posting analysis earlier so that we can discuss it with all of the town voices. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On December 07 2011 04:14 Grackaroni wrote: Seeing the flips can definitely help your own reads, I suggest that you try to reread the thread after each death because it may give you some new perspective. That said do not use the flips as a base for a case against somebody because that is likely to have been manipulated by scum Well yeah, just because I die for example doesn't mean BKEXE is scum; he could well be town and I got killed so you guys would think he's scum, etc. Sometimes this gets a bit WIFOM-ey. You have to be careful because there's a big difference between "confirmed town" and "this guy knows what he's doing" | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On December 07 2011 04:15 Velinath wrote: Going off your assumption that someone will end up dying tonight, why should we hold off on posting analysis? The more conversation that we can have before night ends, the more that the dead townie will be able to contribute before they die. Given this, I feel that we stand to gain more by posting analysis earlier so that we can discuss it with all of the town voices. Alright, that's a fair point. And by now, it doesn't matter anyways since we're talking up a shitstorm. I suppose that the discussion must press on regardless. That being said, I consider it unfair to call someone scum based on a difference opinion, but it's probably just a novice mistake on xft's part. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
This means that at night, we have no new info to work off of. Nightkills/blues' results/post-night claims are important new information but our main source of information is people's posts. This is why I put so much emphasis on discussion, even if we go in circles and re-analyse the same posts we've already analysed. And yeah, agreed with Grackaroni's last two posts. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On December 07 2011 04:19 xtfftc wrote: And yeah, agreed with Grackaroni's last two posts. Grackaroni . The town, including myself, have started sheeping him and treating him like he is a confirmed town. I think it should be made very clear that a confirmed town doesn't KNOW anything more than an unconfirmed town, and I'm not confirmed town, and even if I were you should scrutinize my posts carefully. The fact of the matter is, I'm wrong a lot of times before I'm right, and just because a guy's probably innocent doesn't make him smart. I've played one mafia game-- this game. I'm as inexperienced as you guys. DO NOT SHEEP ME. I'm alarmed how many people followed me onto Adam and BByte without good analysis of their own. Think for yourself. Get in the practice with it, or the mafia will confuse is and shit on us. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On December 07 2011 04:23 Blazinghand wrote: I think it should be made very clear that a confirmed town doesn't KNOW anything more than an unconfirmed town, and I'm not confirmed town, and even if I were you should scrutinize my posts carefully. The fact of the matter is, I'm wrong a lot of times before I'm right, and just because a guy's probably innocent doesn't make him smart. I've played one mafia game-- this game. I'm as inexperienced as you guys. DO NOT SHEEP ME. I'm alarmed how many people followed me onto Adam and BByte without good analysis of their own. Think for yourself. Get in the practice with it, or the mafia will confuse is and shit on us. PS: It's totally chill to agree with me. I don't mind. Disagreeing, however, produces a lot more evidence than agreeing. Take my discussion just now with xft; I think everyone has a better idea of the value of night posting now that this has happened. | ||
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
The concert went great, but I am still worried about what BH said earlier. I have some information, but I feel that if I post it the mob might get a lot more information. I feel like it is important that we be careful what we say, because the mob needs to figure out who knows who the mafia members are. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On December 07 2011 04:25 BroodKingEXE wrote: Hey guys, The concert went great, but I am still worried about what BH said earlier. I have some information, but I feel that if I post it the mob might get a lot more information. I feel like it is important that we be careful what we say, because the mob needs to figure out who knows who the mafia members are. Nah I no longer agree with that idea. The mafia's gonna hit someone anyways, we might as well maximize our information and opportunity to comment. Post your stuff. | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On December 07 2011 04:17 Blazinghand wrote: That being said, I consider it unfair to call someone scum based on a difference opinion, but it's probably just a novice mistake on xft's part. I didn't call you scum, I just gave you some red points ^^ And the red points weren't about your opinion but about you not being logical enough on the issue in question. Overall I rated your town play so far as good, so when you said something that doesn't make a lot of sense (it does a bit but it ignores the bigger issue), it is much worse than it would have been if someone who's been playing as a bad townie says it. And the whole idea of the red and green "points" is that I expect townies to make some small mistakes that can be called scummy (which is one of the reasons why I argued against earlier was the "lynch all liars/scumslips" thing earlier). Especially with this being a newbie game... I'm going to the shop/do a work-out/take a shower and then I'll have a look at the thread unless I fall asleep in the meantime. Stay safe tonight! | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On December 07 2011 04:27 Blazinghand wrote: Nah I no longer agree with that idea. The mafia's gonna hit someone anyways, we might as well maximize our information and opportunity to comment. Post your stuff. BTW I think you personally BKEXE should post your stuff just because I feel like your performance so far has been mildly underwhelming. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On December 07 2011 04:28 xtfftc wrote: I didn't call you scum, I just gave you some red points ^^ And the red points weren't about your opinion but about you not being logical enough on the issue in question. Wait, so the problem wasn't that I had my opinion, but it was that my opinion was illogical? But... is my position inherently illogical, or was it the particular way I supported it? Because from the way I read this this is you saying "well, your position was different than mine, and mine is logical, therefore you are illogical and are red points" | ||
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
Mafia: red Neutral: normal Towns: bold ey215 - I really have a no reason to put him in either category he has provided some information, but often only when asked. On the other hand he comments on the lurkers and liars prompt, but he never really gives an opinion on the lurking. When commented on the no comment he gets angry saying that he is being attacked for his non support of LaL although his opinion was in the middle really supporting either side. I feel his feud with BH is instead based in the fact that he is the voice of moderation in most of our posts and he is bound to get some push back as moderation would cramp BH's style. + Show Spoiler + On December 04 2011 13:01 ey215 wrote: Hi all!  Lynch all Liars is rough, sometimes you need to use your head and be able to tell the difference between a lie and a misunderstanding or misstatement. In games where people are posting a lot it's very easy for people to misspeak not realizing what exactly they've said in the past. I would think some common sense would help here. If it's an outright lie, by all means lynch away. If it's a misstatement and we've got a better case on someone it's better to let it slide. On the lurker bit, I do think there's a time and place for lynching. If we don't have a case on someone it's better to lynch a lurker than someone active. If they're lurking then they're not contributing or giving us something to go on. Of course, if we've got a good case on someone it's better to lynch them. Looking forward to this. BByte - I put him hear because he has a high scum read. He comments on how Velinath has a lot of null reads when he himself has only five reads three of which are basically unsupported. BH - He is either a townie or has th biggest poker face in the game. I feel that his attacks might be showing the true side of people. EB - I feel that there is a lot of bad air around EB and that his bad choice of words against BH has put him in the worst position of the game. Looking at his latest posts they seem for the most part reasonable, his break down of xsksc was pretty telling showing that he can break people down and that xsksc is being careless with his posts. I think this deserves him the neutral position as the votes for him could very well be for out of a claim that was purely emotional. Grackoroni - I do not know what to think about him, while he does have a lots of small posts I feel each one is strong in the message it tries to send. He has been trying to dig into lurkers and has put in some of his reads. It seems that unlike others he is playing very objectively. I have no idea what this means in mafia though. I would appreciate thoughts on grack the most. Hassy - First came across to me as scum because he seemed to overreact to BH's votes in the early game, but I like his defense that he used behind his vote for myself. I feel like even though he at first used Velinath's point to defend his vote, his second reason made sense. He has every right to be suspectful of me, but I feel he needs to contribute to the forum more. His tone suggests more of a townie tone though. Velinath - I can say he is town or mafia for the sole reason of the amount of posts he has put up. He unlike some of my other reads is very post heavy, yet they are all in response to another users post. If you do not believe me look at his filter they almost all involve the posts of another user. While this is useful for anylitics of others I can not actually get a good read on Velinath from them. xsksc - he has been a very odd character. I am not sure why but he blew up after EB's probing of one of his careless posts (not that all of them are). He likes to use his initial post to prove his township, but after the post he did not do much to lead the discussion. Any discussion I have been part of has always had input from the prompter, it is important for them to get idea of the prompt and why they support it. Xtfftc - I think that he has provided good information, but has also been very active in previous mafia games. I feel his strong responses will make him a tough read and encourage others to help me figure out who he is. I fundamentally disagree with bandwagons as | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On December 07 2011 04:27 Blazinghand wrote: Nah I no longer agree with that idea. The mafia's gonna hit someone anyways, we might as well maximize our information and opportunity to comment. Post your stuff. I swear to god BKEXE if you dodge I'm going to figuratively literally walk over to your house and shit in your refrigerator. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On December 07 2011 04:36 Blazinghand wrote: I swear to god BKEXE if you dodge I'm going to figuratively literally walk over to your house and shit in your refrigerator. OH LAWL HE POSTED WHILE I WROTE THIS MY BAD | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On December 07 2011 04:36 Blazinghand wrote: OH LAWL HE POSTED WHILE I WROTE THIS MY BAD One might say that was a ... waste of a cleverly-worded threat. | ||
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
I disagree with bandwagons. Xtfftc says that if the mafia does not like the pick they will vote for a random player. The mob is not going to vote for a random player, they will vote for people who can be written off as scum by everyone without too much trouble. I am worried that there will be a mafia member that is able to defend there claims well enough for people to bandwagon on to their claim. | ||
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On December 07 2011 04:48 BroodKingEXE wrote: My bad I skiped over Tunkeg, and jay (you all know what I tink about adam.) I'd like to hear your thoughts on TK and JB. | ||
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