EPTI'm always against sheep voting...And I've seen better play from brownbear.
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
I'm always against sheep voting...And I've seen better play from brownbear. Baaaaaaaaa | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
For he had just killed an innocent man. Pandain had learned one thing from the monstrosity, and that was to not jump to conclusions. Pandain would go back into the shadows, noting words, once in a while making acute observations. But never again would his actions lead to the death of an innocent, a friendly, the man by the name Hyperbola." | ||
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LaXerCannon
Canada558 Posts
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
Anyway, Young, going back I didn't respond to you. Your right about my criticism of you for trying to influence the action of the blues, I didn't properly read what you were suggesting, which hopefully if I am right was simply that we should have organised a system whereby we make sure the blues do not use their night actions on the same person. I stand by my analysis of you however, I went over your posts and they did strike me as suspicious. Particularly the way you were pressing for lynching someone who was going to be modkilled anyway or a no lynch, which only hurts us. Currently the best thing to look at would be voting patterns and arguments in light of Hyperbola flipping town, I'd be careful though because it's plausible that none of the people who voted for Hyper are mafia, this is a first day lynch afterall. Your sig freaked me out earlier when I read it Bill, was reading the rules//roles section and didnt realise sig changes apply to old posts so had a weird moment of de ja vu xD | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
There is probably one mafia in each of these lists, but I'd also lean on citi and young being mafia candidates. Hyperbola (Divinek, Pandain, SiNiquity, bumatlarge, BB, Subversion) YoungMinii (XeliN, Amber[LighT, Roffles, Infizzleundibulumizzle) abstain (LaXerCannon, tricode, SouthRawrea, Chaoser, protactinium, zeks) citi.zen (rastaban) [/b]SiNiquity (Hyperbola) [ b]Pandain (BC) Infundibulum (youngminii) And probably two in this one: DarthThienAn (d3_crescentia, Pyrrhuloxia, tree.hugger) ketomai (citi.zen, lakrismamma) Amber[LighT] (jayme, DarthThienAn), BloodyC0bbler (~OpZ, Foolishness) LaXerCannon (Misder, citi.zen) Mafia vote counts are usually spread across the likely candidates, as the mafia don't know who our blue's are as much as we know who they are. So there's not a lot to be gained by them in focusing on one target, at least not yet. Therefore, there's probably some mafia who voted early, (I'd lean towards those being more experienced players, but possibly not.) some mafia who voted late, and some mafia who changed their votes. I tend to suspect people who voted against each other, as personal conflict give the mafia a great excuse to make a silly vote that won't ever be held to them. I think we've seen faux conflict be manufactured that way as well. We'll see what more the hits tonight give us, but keep this day 1 voting template in mind. | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On July 20 2010 01:34 Roffles wrote: Nah OpZ, not just one shitty post by BrownBear. Nearly all his posts are shitty. Don't really wanna dig up the post, but I do recall him voting first, then saying "I'm gonna go read". Like what the hell is that? I'm gonna blindly vote, then read, then afterwards he just makes it even better by saying, "Oh, I could change my vote. But nahhhhh" yeah read the thread but didnt contribute anything and based on what his posts said he's probably worse than inactive at this point cause he actually voted i see people say that alot 'oh shit rl busy im gonna read thread and post some stuff' then they dont, they just say this to take focus off them and possible votes im for sure throwing my vote on him as soon as day comes so he can hopefully be forced to actually post something | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
On July 20 2010 03:44 Divinek wrote: yeah read the thread but didnt contribute anything and based on what his posts said he's probably worse than inactive at this point cause he actually voted i see people say that alot 'oh shit rl busy im gonna read thread and post some stuff' then they dont, they just say this to take focus off them and possible votes im for sure throwing my vote on him as soon as day comes so he can hopefully be forced to actually post something I like this. You will go on my "likely town" list. | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
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Protactinium
Canada550 Posts
Abstain: (LaXerCannon, tricode, SouthRawrea, Chaoser, protactinium, zeks) I haven't seen or read too many Mafia games with the "Abstain" voting option; normally I just see people voting for themselves but that is not allowed in this game. Regardless, the six people on this list are all fairly inactive or haven't been contributing much, myself included. Though tree.hugger has brought up that Mafia will spread their votes amongst other people, I do think he's right in assuming that at least one Mafia member is abstaining, since it's the easiest way out. When I went back and searched for the relevant posts people had made, I found that most of the above-mentioned do not have really any substantial or substantiating posts. Luckily, chaoser has saved me some time by notating the abstain votes here. Interestingly, or not-really-so-, enough, abstainers have a pretty low level of useful activity. Let's start with Laxercannon. He doesn't really seem to make an effort in the game, and only has one post in which he types more than a line of text. He abstains but then doesn't make any effort to change it over the course of the next four or so hours. Also, his lack of attentiveness can be seen in his latest comment, stating that he wasn't following the thread enough. From reading a few past games he's been in, he seems to normally be more active. It's really too early, in my opinion, to draw some sort of conclusive read but I think it can be conclusively said that from the evidence given so far, Laxercannon is not playing very pro-town. I've never seen tricode play a game before, but I think he's one of the older players, judging by his posting attitude. Out of the people on the abstain list, he seems to be the only one who isn't just posting spam (besides myself, since I only have two posts... though even those two don't add anything!). He votes for an abstain because he has to see his dad off, and then says that lynches have to be used, since saying "what if" loses the game. This is a good idea. tricode reads pretty town in my eyes. chaoser doesn't really seem to be saying too much, looking through his posts, though he did compile the voting list afterward for the final few hours of the first day. He reiterates some old points beforehand, but I do like the list afterward. Will have to beware of 'paraphrased wording,' of course. chaoser seems to be playing pro-town, but he doesn't do the analysis himself, saying that "others can make use of [this information] however they want." Undecided. Southrawrea has almost nothing of value posted, and he seems like a new player, in part because of the editing. He wants to 'take it easy' day 1 since there's nothing to go off of, but isn't it beneficial to the Mafia to have the town discuss nothing? Once again I can't say anything conclusively (even to myself) at this point, but Southrawrea isn't playing very pro-town. Me... I don't feel like I should speak about myself. I just replaced in this game yesterday, caught up at the end of last night, and am making an attempt to PM and post now. I don't want to be an inactive bum, since that just benefits the Mafia. The less inactives there are, the fewer hiding spots the Mafia will have. And finally, zeks. Votes for Hyperbola as a placeholder (why not abstain?) but then removes his vote after the rest of the votes for Hyperbola, disregarding Subversion's, have been cast. Doesn't really say anything of value, at most just reiterates some known things. Not very pro-town. Will attempt to comment on other people later as I go along. | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
On July 20 2010 05:00 DarthThienAn wrote: Analyze me! Analyze meeeee! Reddish shade of brown of course. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Damn it, why is that breed so resilient? Time to do some extermination. | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
On July 20 2010 05:22 flamewheel wrote: Damn it, why is that breed so resilient? Time to do some extermination. I supply the Darth, you bring the lightning. Seriously, where is everyone? | ||
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LaXerCannon
Canada558 Posts
On July 20 2010 04:50 Protactinium wrote: I kind of want to draw focus to the "Abstain" list. I haven't seen or read too many Mafia games with the "Abstain" voting option; normally I just see people voting for themselves but that is not allowed in this game. Regardless, the six people on this list are all fairly inactive or haven't been contributing much, myself included. Though tree.hugger has brought up that Mafia will spread their votes amongst other people, I do think he's right in assuming that at least one Mafia member is abstaining, since it's the easiest way out. When I went back and searched for the relevant posts people had made, I found that most of the above-mentioned do not have really any substantial or substantiating posts. Luckily, chaoser has saved me some time by notating the abstain votes here. Interestingly, or not-really-so-, enough, abstainers have a pretty low level of useful activity. Let's start with Laxercannon. He doesn't really seem to make an effort in the game, and only has one post in which he types more than a line of text. He abstains but then doesn't make any effort to change it over the course of the next four or so hours. Also, his lack of attentiveness can be seen in his latest comment, stating that he wasn't following the thread enough. From reading a few past games he's been in, he seems to normally be more active. It's really too early, in my opinion, to draw some sort of conclusive read but I think it can be conclusively said that from the evidence given so far, Laxercannon is not playing very pro-town. I've never seen tricode play a game before, but I think he's one of the older players, judging by his posting attitude. Out of the people on the abstain list, he seems to be the only one who isn't just posting spam (besides myself, since I only have two posts... though even those two don't add anything!). He votes for an abstain because he has to see his dad off, and then says that lynches have to be used, since saying "what if" loses the game. This is a good idea. tricode reads pretty town in my eyes. chaoser doesn't really seem to be saying too much, looking through his posts, though he did compile the voting list afterward for the final few hours of the first day. He reiterates some old points beforehand, but I do like the list afterward. Will have to beware of 'paraphrased wording,' of course. chaoser seems to be playing pro-town, but he doesn't do the analysis himself, saying that "others can make use of [this information] however they want." Undecided. Southrawrea has almost nothing of value posted, and he seems like a new player, in part because of the editing. He wants to 'take it easy' day 1 since there's nothing to go off of, but isn't it beneficial to the Mafia to have the town discuss nothing? Once again I can't say anything conclusively (even to myself) at this point, but Southrawrea isn't playing very pro-town. Me... I don't feel like I should speak about myself. I just replaced in this game yesterday, caught up at the end of last night, and am making an attempt to PM and post now. I don't want to be an inactive bum, since that just benefits the Mafia. The less inactives there are, the fewer hiding spots the Mafia will have. And finally, zeks. Votes for Hyperbola as a placeholder (why not abstain?) but then removes his vote after the rest of the votes for Hyperbola, disregarding Subversion's, have been cast. Doesn't really say anything of value, at most just reiterates some known things. Not very pro-town. Will attempt to comment on other people later as I go along. Well he did say that there would be no talking for the next 24 hours and I took that as law. Why would there be any reason to be checking the thread at all. Expect less activity that normal for this night. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
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LaXerCannon
Canada558 Posts
Jayme -> Amber[light] Pandain -> Pandain (abstain) DTA -> Abstain -> d3_crescentia d3_crescentia -> DTA DTA -> Unabstain citi.zen -> DTA rastaban -> citi.zen youngminii -> Pyrrhuloxia Pandain -> Incognito [what? he's not playing] SouthRawrea -> Abstain ~OpZ~ -> Chaoser BloodyC0bbler -> Abstain bumatlarge -> Divinek Pandain -> BloodyC0bbler LaXercannon -> Abstain Youngminii -> Abstain Divinek -> Abstain Tricode -> Abstain Misder -> Hyperbola Divinek -> Hyperbola Pandain -> Pandain Pyrrhuloxia -> Abstain zeks -> Hyperbola SiNiquity -> Hyperbola Roffles -> Abstain tree.hugger ->LaXercannon Foolishness -> Abstain lakrismamma -> LaXercannon lakrismamma -> Subversion BloodyC0bbler -> Pandain ~OpZ~ -> BloodyC0bbler Pyrrhuloxia -> DTA XeliN -> Brownbear iNfuNdiBuLuM -> youngminii youngminii -> iNfuNdiBuLuM citi.zen -> ketomai XeliN -> youngminii chaoser -> abstain Amber[LighT] -> abstain treehugger -> DTA Amber[LighT] -> youngminii Roffles -> youngminii lakrismamma -> ketomai DTA -> Amber[LighT] bumatlarge -> Hyperbola BrownBear -> Hyperbola Jayme -> Youngminii Foolishness -> BloodyC0bbler Misder -> LaXerCannon zeks -> Hyperbola Subversion -> Hyperbola I tried to make this look nice for a couple hours but this is probably the cleanest I can get it. Analysis on this coming up later | ||
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SiNiquity
United States734 Posts
Day 1 Votes: + Show Spoiler [Voting Record (ordered by votes)] + Pre-game votes: [link] jayme ==> Amber[LighT] [link] DarthThienAn ==> Abstain [link] DarthThienAn ==> d3_crescentia [link] d3_crescentia ==> DarthThienAn [link] citi.zen ==> DarthThienAn [link] rastaban ==> citi.zen Day 1 Votes [link] youngminii ==> Pyrrhuloxia [link] Pandain ==> Incognito [link] SouthRawrea ==> Incognito (edited to Abstain few hours later) [link] ~OpZ~ ==> Chaoser [link] BloodyC0bbler ==> Abstain [link] bumatlarge ==> Divinek [link] Pandain ==> BloodyC0bbler [link] Hyperbola ==> SiNiquity [link] LaXerCannon ==> Abstain [link] youngminii ==> Abstain [link] Divinek ==> Abstain [link] Tricode ==> Abstain [link] Misder ==> Hyperbola [link] Divinek ==> Hyperbola [link] Pandain ==> Hyperbola [link] Pyrrhuloxia ==> Abstain [link] Zeks ==> Hyperbola [link] SiNiquity ==> Hyperbola [link] Roffles ==> Abstain [link] tree.hugger ==> LaXerCannon [link] Foolishness ==> Abstain [link] Lakrismamma ==> LaXerCannon [link] Lakrismamma ==> Subversion [link] BloodyC0bbler ==> Pandain [link] ~OpZ~ ==> BloodyC0bbler [link] Pyrrhuloxia ==> DarthThienAn [link] XeliN ==> Brownbear [link] iNfuNdiBuLuM ==> youngminii [link] youngminii ==> iNfuNdiBuLuM [link] citi.zen ==> ketomai [link] XeliN ==> youngminii [link] chaoser ==> Abstain [link] Amber[LighT] ==> Abstain [link] tree.hugger ==> DarthThienAn [link] Amber[LighT] ==> youngminii [link] Roffles ==> youngminii [link] lakrismamma ==> ketomai [link] DarthThienAn ==> Amber[LighT] [link] bumatlarge ==> Hyperbola [link] BrownBear ==> Hyperbola [link] Protactinium ==> Abstain [link] Jayme ==> youngminii [link] Foolishness ==> BloodyC0bbler [link] Misder ==> LaXerCannon [link] zeks ==> Abstain [link] Subversion ==> Hyperbola + Show Spoiler [Voting Record (ordered by player)] + jayme ==> Amber[LighT] ==> youngminii DarthThienAn ==> Abstain ==> d3_crescentia ==> Amber[LighT] d3_crescentia ==> DarthThienAn citi.zen ==> DarthThienAn ==> ketomai rastaban ==> citi.zen youngminii ==> Pyrrhuloxia ==> Abstain ==> iNfuNdiBuLuM Pandain ==> Incognito ==> BloodyC0bbler ==> Hyperbola SouthRawrea ==> Incognito/Abstain ~OpZ~ ==> Chaoser ==> BloodyC0bbler BloodyC0bbler ==> Abstain ==> Pandain bumatlarge ==> Divinek ==> Hyperbola Hyperbola ==> SiNiquity LaXerCannon ==> Abstain Divinek ==> Abstain ==> Hyperbola Tricode ==> Abstain Misder ==> Hyperbola ==> LaXerCannon Pyrrhuloxia ==> Abstain ==> DarthThienAn Zeks ==> Hyperbola ==> Abstain SiNiquity ==> Hyperbola Roffles ==> Abstain ==> youngminii tree.hugger ==> LaXerCannon ==> DarthThienAn Foolishness ==> Abstain ==> BloodyC0bbler Lakrismamma ==> LaXerCannon ==> Subversion ==> ketomai XeliN ==> Brownbear ==> youngminii iNfuNdiBuLuM ==> youngminii chaoser ==> Abstain Amber[LighT] ==> Abstain ==> youngminii BrownBear ==> Hyperbola Protactinium ==> Abstain Subversion ==> Hyperbola Comments: + Show Spoiler [Look at the data yourself first] + Few things that jumped out at me:
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SiNiquity
United States734 Posts
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SiNiquity
United States734 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [On July 20 2010 06:21 LaXerCannon wrote] + Anyway, for the lazy here's the voting stuff: Jayme -> Amber[light] Pandain -> Pandain (abstain) DTA -> Abstain -> d3_crescentia d3_crescentia -> DTA DTA -> Unabstain citi.zen -> DTA rastaban -> citi.zen youngminii -> Pyrrhuloxia Pandain -> Incognito [what? he's not playing] SouthRawrea -> Abstain ~OpZ~ -> Chaoser BloodyC0bbler -> Abstain bumatlarge -> Divinek Pandain -> BloodyC0bbler LaXercannon -> Abstain Youngminii -> Abstain Divinek -> Abstain Tricode -> Abstain Misder -> Hyperbola Divinek -> Hyperbola Pandain -> Pandain Should be Hyperbola Pyrrhuloxia -> Abstain zeks -> Hyperbola SiNiquity -> Hyperbola Roffles -> Abstain tree.hugger ->LaXercannon Foolishness -> Abstain lakrismamma -> LaXercannon lakrismamma -> Subversion BloodyC0bbler -> Pandain ~OpZ~ -> BloodyC0bbler Pyrrhuloxia -> DTA XeliN -> Brownbear iNfuNdiBuLuM -> youngminii youngminii -> iNfuNdiBuLuM citi.zen -> ketomai XeliN -> youngminii chaoser -> abstain Amber[LighT] -> abstain treehugger -> DTA Amber[LighT] -> youngminii Roffles -> youngminii lakrismamma -> ketomai DTA -> Amber[LighT] bumatlarge -> Hyperbola BrownBear -> Hyperbola Jayme -> Youngminii Foolishness -> BloodyC0bbler Misder -> LaXerCannon zeks -> Hyperbola Should be abstain Subversion -> Hyperbola I tried to make this look nice for a couple hours but this is probably the cleanest I can get it. Analysis on this coming up later Couple of mistakes in there (double checked w/ my links)... | ||
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