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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain17952 Posts
The Acro might die post Dying N0 would be pretty crappy, but I assume it's a possibility. I'd say we've had quite a productive start. I have managed to get some decent town reads, and some scumspects. The Townies Marv: Marv seems to be pressuring and scumhunting. I have no reason to suspect him for now. Yamato: I didn't like his early stubbornness, but his reaction under pressure felt townie. He also seems engaged and trying to figure things out. Cora: the little fight with Yamato gave me a town read on him. His aggression and putting himself in the spotlight felt like his play from NMM 37. Dienosore: I liked his response under pressure and he's doing his maps. Basically the same as Marv: no real reason to suspect him just yet. Iamperfection: from what I can figure out he's playing to his town meta. Not entirely satisfied with that play, so slightly more cautious than the top 4, but basically green. Oatsmaster: same as Iamp. The nulls Zarepath: entered the thread a bit late, but had a decent entrance. I don't like the list post, though and there are too few conclusions. Need to see more. Alderan: entered the thread late. Case on Dieno is not enough either way. Snarfs: waiting for that excitement he promised. Adam: doesn't seem to be following his scum meta, but I disagree with his case on Dieno and that's the only real thing he has done this game. The Scums Thrawn: On February 26 2013 03:37 Acrofales wrote: I am still in full-on analysis mode. It is also night, and unlike most of the tards here I am hesitant about giving out too many reads at night before we even have a day to go by. However, if you want my main scumread, it's not Hapa, it's you. Your first post was terrible and your play hasn't improved. I know you are prone to rocky starts (lol mason claim), but it's getting to the point I can no longer ignore it: 1. Iamp scum, no town, no scum! For what? An utter lack of effort has gone into this read. It's a meta case without bothering to actually consider Iamp's meta. 2. The stuff about me: /yawn. Bad reading comprehension isn't a scumtell, but it doesn't help you along. 3. Hapa out of nowhere: Look who's the flavour of the day? Hapa! Lets lynch him! Why? Errrr.... wait. There's nothing in your filter about that. In addition, there was no response to this post. It's possible he went afk as a townie, but it came only a few minutes after he asked me a question... Keirathi: Keirathi is a good town player. His play this game is pathetic. Hence he's scum. Hapa: On February 25 2013 22:32 Acrofales wrote: He *might* be scum, but it'll take a lot more for me to have anything more than a slight suspicion. The things that stand out: 1. His read on Iamp is a bit weird, because I found Iamp's playstyle fairly consistent throughout the game and the one post that suddenly made him have a town read instead of suspecting Iamp was just a continuation from his former playstyle. 2. His defense of Snarfs, because his "post seemed genuine and excited". I don't think anybody is taking offense to Snarfs first post, which I agree sounded genuine and excited. The problem is that if Snarfs was so excited to play, where is he? I would have expected Hapa to understand that and therefore this defense is strange. But I don't agree with your point that missing the post by Iamp about Snarfs is scummy. Missing a post is just something that happens. Sylencia: lurking. His 4 posts are non-contributions. I agree with Cora's assessment of the difference between this game and NMM 37. However, him being a lurky newbie gives him a slight benefit of the doubt over Keirathi. | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On February 26 2013 07:44 Alderan wrote: Ok so I made a post on my best read right now which is Dienosore. If I had to pick two I'd go with Snarfs. Reason being I think early in the game your best chance to lynch scum is identify the low hanging fruit, ie. those that embody both scummy play and "noob" play. My idea is a bit WIFOM'y but anytime I've been mafia it's never been the experienced player that gets targeted early, it's always the seemingly "newer" player who leaves some subtle clue. Experienced players seem to make it through the first day without attracting too much attention, and as such need more time to evaluate. Snarfs filter is tough because it's obviously limited (not that I have much room to talk) but the major issues are just the pure conjecture coming out+ Show Spoiler + On February 26 2013 04:50 Snarfs wrote: Also adding this so I don't forget later: Right up until page 20 when a few more people showed up in the game, lots of talk was on Hapa but Corazon completely ignored that discussion and went after Oats, if I recall correctly. I'm a little rusty on how to interpret that, but it seemed noteworthy. halfheartedly probing questions with no follow-ups In hindsight, I shouldn't have posted that. I should have wrote it down in a notepad or something, but I was on my phone and felt like airing out an observation to the rest of town. For the record, Corazon is not even close to my top 5 after some honest consideration. As I've said repeatedly, it was just an observation. + Show Spoiler + On February 25 2013 03:59 Snarfs wrote: Do you not agree that the two worst looking players should duel then? And then, there's whatever the hell this is. It's a question. Which he answered. And which 2 or 3 other people took up questioning him further on. At first I was taken aback by yamato's stance, thinking there's no way town could think that's a good idea, so I questioned him and watched as he responded to marv & co. Then I remembered that he just came off an impressive victory over scum and is extremely confident right now and things started adding up as to why he could be so cocky. Reading through the thread in one sitting gave me the chance to see just how everyone's feelings have been progressing. Yamato and later Marv have been increasingly "suspected" as town, for better or for worse, and as such it seems that rather than getting in a pissing match with townies, Snarfs took the easy way out, the way that he thought would not garner that much attention. I decided it'd be pointless to continue questioning Corazon since he seems really town aside from that single observation. Again, it was probably a mistake to point it out in the thread. But GAIZ!!111 He said he didn't want to "derail things". Let's think though, doesn't that sound similar to Dienosore's "muddy up the water" quote? Spoiler + Show Spoiler + It does Similar strategies, similar actions, and guess who haven't even mentioned each other yet this game..... I just mentioned him. He looks bad, but not as bad as hapa/keirathi and possibly thrawn. I do need to read more of thrawn again though. | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
I'm not interested in seeing Snarfs duel. Zarepath - I've given out reads on several players other than deino. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
Probably town: yamato - aggression, thread presence, decent reads, etc iamp - seems to be playing to his town meta, called out Hapa the exact same TL minute I did (in a more cohesive way) Leaning town to varying degrees: Oats - his play seems closer to Nomination (town) than LIX (mafia). Some really terrible stuff like his read on me, but generally very suspicious which I like. cDgCorazon - didn't back down vs yamato at all, really stuck it out with him. Active. A little less decisive about reads than I'd like Acrofales - saying plenty of the right things, can't remember the various times it's happened, the most recent is questioning zare/corazon on how sylencia was mislynched for being useless last game. This dude is good mafia though which is why my read isn't stronger. zarepath - I like what he's done since he's been here. Picking up on good things, effort blabla. Nullish on for various reasons: Alderan - I kinda like what he's posted so far, but too little to go on. Keirathi - it's not like him at all to afk, he never did that in his one game as mafia, I'm much more inclined to think he's got personal stuff that's stealing his time. Not to say I like it though. Snarfs - not said enough for me to get a solid read on really. Not gonna hold being absent on Sunday against him. Unlike Alderan I don't think his general tone has this scared feel when he's mafia... not conclusive on that though. Adam - his push on Dieno seemed pretty townie, but he's not done anything besides so he's just null. People I'm a bit suspicious of: Dieno - he's almost in null but I'm a bit more suspicious of him than straight null. His first post was terrible, as per Adam/Alderan, but a subsequent longer post had a bit of oomph, and I'm a sucker for nice maps. Hapahauli - he's just done nothing to make me think he's town, and Hapa is very capable of coming across town. Like iamp mentions, defends himself too much instead of doing proactive things. *could* just be a bad start. Sylencia - his posts while he was here weren't good posts, they didn't really serve a purpose. Has since disappeared, so I'm just stuck with a few posts I don't like. People I want to kill with fire: thrawn - everything is wrong. his disappearing push on iamp, his non-push on Acro, his sudden desire to have Hapa duelling, but only because everyone else did and not him. Generally a useless sack of crap, and town thrawn is not a useless sack of crap. Posting uninvolved/uninterested. Just really really suspicious. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9640 Posts
On February 26 2013 07:55 iamperfection wrote: this post is scummy as fuck at the top he says these are reads and suspicions but they aren't. 1. all he does is sum up what people did with no real conclusions 2. wishy washy as fuck( sums up several players actions..ie me hapa dino kier) but then has no conclusion on those players alignments one way or the other. This is scummy because hit is a good way to look like your contributing when you are in fact not 3. says stuff that doesn't make sense. ie hapa's 180 looks awful but he can see the reasoning behind it..... (then it is not awful) anybody agree with me here? | ||
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iamperfection
United States9640 Posts
On February 26 2013 07:59 marvellosity wrote: zarepath - I like what he's done since he's been here. Picking up on good things, effort blabla. you like that last big post.............? wat | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
Day 1 ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/o1uNjvA.jpg) marvellosity the Vanilla Townie drank too much. + Show Spoiler [Role PM] + As a Vanilla Townie, you have no powers except for your voice, your ability to duel, and your vote. You win with the town. You have 24 hours to initiate a duel. If no duels are called for by 23:04 GMT (+00:00) the day will end in a no-lynch. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
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Acrofales
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Alderan
United States463 Posts
On February 26 2013 07:58 Snarfs wrote: In hindsight, I shouldn't have posted that. I should have wrote it down in a notepad or something, but I was on my phone and felt like airing out an observation to the rest of town. For the record, Corazon is not even close to my top 5 after some honest consideration. As I've said repeatedly, it was just an observation. It's a question. Which he answered. And which 2 or 3 other people took up questioning him further on. At first I was taken aback by yamato's stance, thinking there's no way town could think that's a good idea, so I questioned him and watched as he responded to marv & co. Then I remembered that he just came off an impressive victory over scum and is extremely confident right now and things started adding up as to why he could be so cocky. I decided it'd be pointless to continue questioning Corazon since he seems really town aside from that single observation. Again, it was probably a mistake to point it out in the thread. I just mentioned him. He looks bad, but not as bad as hapa/keirathi and possibly thrawn. I do need to read more of thrawn again though. What do you see in Keirathi's filter that you don't see in Thrawn's? Reason I ask this is that they are both devoid of anything substantive, but Dien's case in my mind has more to go on than both of them. The way you're making scum picks seems completely arbitrary to me. I wonder.... is there a group of people that would want to choose their scums picks completely randomly?... | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Thrawn He hasn't shown the activity or engagement I'd expect from a town-Thrawn. He's normally very playful in the early game (making controversial one liners to attract attention to himself), and I haven't seen any of that so far. Furthermore, he wants to lynch me for basically every reason except for finding me scummy. Case in point: On February 26 2013 02:27 thrawn2112 wrote: what does anyone think about asking hapa to be one of the duelists On February 26 2013 02:33 thrawn2112 wrote: i think it's a good idea. if he gets to decide who to duel at the end of the cycle On February 26 2013 02:38 thrawn2112 wrote: as town he'd be a good player to pick the main lynch candidate. if he's not town then we can lynch him instead This is scum-bandwagon 101. He picks me as a scumread, and throws fuel onto my bandwagon by offering irrelevant justifications to have me "dueled" tomorrow. Snarfs I initially read his first post as enthusiastic, but the rest of his (short) filter reads as fake-contributions. On February 26 2013 04:38 Snarfs wrote: Update: Up to page 20 now and I would kill Hapa solely based on his reasoning for backing off on iamp. Didn't make any sense (others have said it) because iamp didn't change at all. Also, I didn't like this line from thrawn: It seems like a really weird mindset. Scared to attack... should be more like "pressure" or why would you back off... not "scared to attack" - that seems to be attempting to incite Oats as opposed to get a read on him. full quote: Going through last few pages now. He offers a neatly packaged reason for why he wants me dead. No debate, no nothing, he just supports killing me right away in one small sentence. He then moves on to "attack" thrawn in the weakest manner ever. He doesn't call thrawn scummy. He just "doesn't like" one of his posts and calls it "weird," which is hilarious considering he's attacking thrawn for the very same thing. Notably, he's never mentioned thrawn in any of his posts afterward, or has attempted to follow up on his questions to thrawn. On February 26 2013 05:35 Snarfs wrote: Yea, I saw that. It just felt weird when hapa was a big focus that you didn't mention him at the time (other than to say you were going to look into it) so I made a note of it. Since marv and yamato seem pretty happy with you so far though, I'm not going to really push you on this one since it's not a big priority and would probably just derail things. As I said, just making a note of things. In this post, he again takes this really passive questioning of another player. He seemingly has reasons to think Corazon is scummy, but drops it because "Marv and Yamato are happy." My other scumread outside of the above is Dienosaur. He's been far less active than I remembered him being in Chrono Trigger Mafia. In addition: 1) His response to Adam's case feels very very forced: nformation is power in this game, so I didn't really expect a detailed answer to my question. I went fishing and came up empty, big deal. I'll continue fishing until I get a bite. As for changing your mind, I have a feeling that no matter what I say you are still going to be gunning for me. Yes, I think you pushing for a instant duel with your first post is super scummy, especially when we have more than enough time to deliberate and come to a general consensus as a group. I can't see any town motivation in what you are doing right now. Which, ironically enough, means that we should duel. If I lose the vote and die, I'll flip green and you will have condemned yourself even further. If I win, then scumball down, victory for town. Bring it on. When Adam calls him out, he's super-confrontational to the max, and wants to create this glorious showdown between him and Adam. However when Adam slightly backs down: On February 25 2013 13:11 Dienosore wrote: Good to hear that you are willing to disarm, even if ever so slightly. Unfortunately, I am not the best scum hunter. I rely on my maps a lot, as you probably know, which usually require days of information and copious cross referencing before the incriminating connections really stand out. I'll try to whip up something before I go to bed tonight, though. The bolded is what gets me. If he thinks Adam is scum (previous quote), why should he give a shit what Adam thinks? In addition, it's a huge emotional 180 from someone who wanted nothing but confrontation only 1 post ago. 2) His "Map" I remember him drawing a Map in Chrono Trigger (as town), but this one feels different. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398360¤tpage=18#343 He draws his map here, but doesn't offer any actual reads until Yamato prods him for it. He then offers a bunch of completely noncommittal reads: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398360¤tpage=18#345 | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
After reading Zare's post again, I do think you have a point. I also think this post is full of ideas that have been said already. It really just looks like an unfocused list of his reads based on what others have said. If I may be so bold Iamp, would you like to reciprocate and give me some feedback on my suspicion towards Oats? + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2013 06:17 cDgCorazon wrote: A few other things I would like to point out: Oats' play so far has been a bit shaky for me. I already pointed out the fact that he is being inconsistent towards Iamp and other players, but he hasn't made any clear effort to scumhunt. Most of his filter has been directing discussion and debates with others, but he hasn't brought in any clear direction with his posts. He has made several hints to him thinking players are scummy: The points where he has shown doubt and suspicion on another player (and not their arguments) have been thrown out there, but he hasn't put anything behind them. The one time where he expanded on one of these points: Acro's response basically explains how I feel about this: The moment after Oats makes this illogical statement, he tries to get everyone to not think about it: And when he gets challenged on the point, he tries to throw the discussion elsewhere: He's trying to dodge the fact that he made an illogical argument. To me, that is a strong scum tell. He refuses to elaborate on why Marv playing like his town meta makes him scummy because he knows it is a bad argument. Why would scum try to avoid this? They need to make up arguments that are not true so that the town will not vote them off. Why would he make this silly argument in the first place if he wasn't scum? Why would he not own up to his mistake and take the blame for a bad argument and instead try to sidestep it? These are the questions I would love to see Oats answer. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9640 Posts
On February 26 2013 08:06 Hapahauli wrote: Oh waht the fuck goddamnit I thought hte deadline was at 7 i thought it was 8 | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain17952 Posts
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