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On August 10 2012 05:58 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 05:28 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 10 2012 04:51 Promethelax wrote:I am suspicious of Dandel's play thus far: He started by skating over the policy discussion, which is fair since we all just started a game together. He also suggests a silly policy lynch and doesn't give us a read or an opinion. Okay, first post. Just had to post. Whatever. But almost 24 hours later he comes back into the thread to say: On August 10 2012 04:07 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 10 2012 04:01 Lvdr wrote:
I was writing a breakdown of Yh's town claim... then I read that it got retracted. So much for that.
Given that the claim was retracted and YH (according to him) didn't know his alignment when he made the claim we cannot really draw any conclusions based on it. Any argument would be a WIFOM from YH's point of view, but even YH didn't know what his alignment was.
That's assuming he said the truth. And you should never just assume that. which is basic advice to a newb that we could all give. He hasn't given the thread anything and was so excited before hand. (Look at all of his posts between game 23a and 23b, I am forced to think that something changed and so his excitement died down, I read this as a scum tell and will be watching Dandel closely. Just to clarify this shit, "basic advice to a newb" is the point of this. It's called "Newbie Mafia", you know? I'd like for you to point out the exact syllable that's "scummy" about it. Yeah, I'm lurking so far, I know I know. But so are goodkarma and Axero, Sideni (again) and Shady Sands (not even a single post since the start) I'd like to know the reason why I'm so far above them, because I'm pretty sure you don't have one. Between YourHarry being YourHarry, mkfuba attacking YourHarry for being YourHarry, Lvdr being lvdr, mkfuba attacking lvdr for being lvdr, and the new people doing blanket statements about policy, I was yet unable to find anything I felt I could post on. That's my reason. Right, and we're all newbs so why give basci advice that you know when he surely knows it too? What was scummy was that you chose to say something so neutral after being gone for 24 hours. You left, came back and thought to yourself 'what would improve this thread? Ahh, basic advice' You are scummier than them because SS hadn't posted, I don't know anything about Axero, GK had said somethings which had opinions in them (though not as many as I would like) and Sideni is the same as he was before as town. You are the one who was worth pointing out. Okay seriously? You mentioned a quarter of the players in this game doing something which could be discussed and said you had nothing to discuss. What the fuck? SS and Dandel: don't give me this shit. Discuss the game and the players, we essentially got a free meta test day with D1.0 so we are starting from a better position than we were in on the first day one. I, for one, see more from this day than the one before it. Hapa: I'm glad you are here so that I'll have someone to talk to. Although given that you and I are both known for active scum play I won't be able to get reads out of your activity I look forward to getting reads from your play. What is your opinion of Dandel? Imperfection: unless you are scum you are doing this wrong. I like you a lot but this play isn't good, if you wanted me to make a case well good I did, how did your opinion change? You wanted something from lvdr, YH, Mkfuba and half the other players in this game too. But you aren't changing your opinion after they post more. Why so free with your FoS? And why so restrained in taking it back? I'm all for a wide net but you need to use it right.
I just posted a case below yours, Prome. Did you read it?
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Alright, finally read through all the posts since I went to bed yesterday ! :D
@Dandel Ion :
[QUOTE]On August 10 2012 05:28 Dandel Ion wrote:
[QUOTE]Yeah, I'm lurking so far, I know I know. But so are goodkarma and Axero, Sideni (again) and Shady Sands (not even a single post since the start)[/QUOTE]
I have to make it clear ... As I said in XXIII.O, I'm working from 5am to 1pm every day. From the time I go to bed and the time I come back from work (do not forget that I do have a life outside of the Internet. i.e. I went to a music school today to get lessons ! :D) there's a lot of time for people to post and you have to remember, I'm a slow reader 
[QUOTE]On August 07 2012 09:06 Sideni wrote:
I want to make a clear statement, I work every day from 5am to 1pm EST.
I looked yesterday (Sunday) to see when was the game starting and it had not begun yet. So, I went to bed (when you work this early, you have to sleep xD)
I came back today from work, all pumped up about starting my first game of forum mafia (I've only played the one on StarCraft) and I saw that I had 7 pages to read of English (I'm a slow reader in French, just imagine in English xD)[/QUOTE]
I don't know if it's just that you forgot (I have to give it to you, it's from my first post in the game) or if you're trying to skip over that detail just to have one more name on your lurking list. =/
I have to tell you that it makes me a bit suspicious that you didn't know I was at work... However, I'm sure I'll forget (as you perhaps did) that Hapa is going on a trip for his marriage ! (Can't believe you fell for that trap(marriage) Hapa  )
Regarding the case of mkfuba :
Honestly, I read through it and I felt it was a great case and you somehow convinced me a bit (enough to make Lvdr my number 1 suspect) ! The "Both hapa and yh are mafia or both are town?" got me ! Being town, I would only have written "Both Hapa and YH are mafia ?" or at least in a different order (town before mafia)...
However, I felt that it was kinda early to get a case going, not that it's a bad thing, but it's quite early.
An early case and an early vote, could be suspicious to my eyes, but I don't have anything to make a read from you !
At the same time of posting, I want to ask what means EBWOP :D
Also, note for @YourHarry : Hi there, nothing personal, it just highly irritates me to see, in your posts, "Hapha" instead of "Hapa" ... Could you please take care of that just for me ? :D It would be so kind of you :D
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@hapa I don't think the case you're making against iamperfection is really scummy.
link 1: iam clearly does not trust yh, especially given what happened last game. understandable.
link 2: he is looking for more information. yes he doesn't offer an opinion, but it seems like a null read, not scummy.
link3: as you said he missed the joke spoiler. null read.
link 4: confirms that he missed the spoiler mentioned in link 3 and shows a proportional amount of suspicion on me. reads town to me because mafia have no interest in encouraging me to mount a good defense.
link 5: follows his established pattern of encouraging others to put out more information and reads.
This reads as a very flimsy case and even a bit of a reach.
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Arg ... Ok, looks like my cote didn't work
REPOST
Alright, finally read through all the posts since I went to bed yesterday ! :D
@Dandel Ion :
On August 10 2012 05:28 Dandel Ion wrote:
Yeah, I'm lurking so far, I know I know. But so are goodkarma and Axero, Sideni (again) and Shady Sands (not even a single post since the start)
I have to make it clear ... As I said in XXIII.O, I'm working from 5am to 1pm every day. From the time I go to bed and the time I come back from work (do not forget that I do have a life outside of the Internet. i.e. I went to a music school today to get lessons ! :D) there's a lot of time for people to post and you have to remember, I'm a slow reader
On August 07 2012 09:06 Sideni wrote:
I want to make a clear statement, I work every day from 5am to 1pm EST.
I looked yesterday (Sunday) to see when was the game starting and it had not begun yet. So, I went to bed (when you work this early, you have to sleep xD)
I came back today from work, all pumped up about starting my first game of forum mafia (I've only played the one on StarCraft) and I saw that I had 7 pages to read of English (I'm a slow reader in French, just imagine in English xD)
I don't know if it's just that you forgot (I have to give it to you, it's from my first post in the game) or if you're trying to skip over that detail just to have one more name on your lurking list. =/
I have to tell you that it makes me a bit suspicious that you didn't know I was at work... However, I'm sure I'll forget (as you perhaps did) that Hapa is going on a trip for his marriage ! (Can't believe you fell for that trap(marriage) Hapa )
Regarding the case of mkfuba :
Honestly, I read through it and I felt it was a great case and you somehow convinced me a bit (enough to make Lvdr my number 1 suspect) ! The "Both hapa and yh are mafia or both are town?" got me ! Being town, I would only have written "Both Hapa and YH are mafia ?" or at least in a different order (town before mafia)...
However, I felt that it was kinda early to get a case going, not that it's a bad thing, but it's quite early.
An early case and an early vote, could be suspicious to my eyes, but I don't have anything to make a read from you !
At the same time of posting, I want to ask what means EBWOP :D
Also, note for @YourHarry : Hi there, nothing personal, it just highly irritates me to see, in your posts, "Hapha" instead of "Hapa" ... Could you please take care of that just for me ? :D It would be so kind of you :D
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On August 10 2012 06:02 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +Hapa: I'm glad you are here so that I'll have someone to talk to. Although given that you and I are both known for active scum play I won't be able to get reads out of your activity I look forward to getting reads from your play. What is your opinion of Dandel? Nothing much to say on Dandel, as he still hasn't done anything. Like really - he's posted nothing of substance 24 hours into the day. I'm naturally suspicious of people who do not stick their neck out, but I have no grounds to FOS him or anything like that. For now, I'll stick with my suspicions against iamperfection that I recently posted.
fair enough, I disagree with you that there is nothing to read in his nothing posts but I see your point of view. Imperfection is a weird one for me since I played scum with him and his play feels scummy but not like his scum play in XIX obviously we're all new and our meta is still somewhat fluid. I have him in my scum column right now but there are people who have posted nothing or next to nothing who seem as scummy and I'd prefer to live the loud scum alive than the quiet one, people who talk a lot will talk themselves into a corner.
Shady: How did Axero make it onto your list? You gave reasons for lvdr being suspicious but not Axero. I don't like a name just being thrown in there without a case, it is good play for scum and bad for town. Give me and the rest of town an explanation for throwing his name in there, right now with just his name and no reasoning you are on my scummy list.
I guess I have to remove my FoS on Harry, he is just Harry. I'll keep my eye on him but I think that might just be my policy from now on: watch Harry.
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Sideni: not a big fan of you not reading the thread.
Hapa is gone on friday looking for a place to live:
On August 09 2012 07:22 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh, before the game starts, just want to get this out of the way:
I'll be travelling for most of either tomorrow or the next day (apartment hunting) so my activity will be lacking for atleast one 24hour chunk of time.
While Kronen is getting married (Congratulations!):
On August 09 2012 13:23 Kronen wrote:Also guys, full disclosure: On the 14th through the 17th of this month I'll be travelling to, preparing for and going through with my marriage ceremony on the other side of the country. My activity will wane somewhat during those times, but I'll keep up on the reading with my Iphone. My post count will probably lower, but the ball and chain is bringing her laptop, so that should be ok. 
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Let me try to make it clear what i think is most likely.
Right after his town read, YH says
I dream of catching scums by trolling.
and thenThis game though, it just took one post for me to trust you.
YH's read is almost certainly not serious.
Hapa is a good enough player to immediately
@ YourHarry:
Thanks for your trust, but keep in mind that most players in-game had a strong town read on me in XXI... and we all know what happened out of that! I'll be sure to make my townie motives clear throughout the game =)
That means YH didn't catch him in a scumslip, but he isn't just cleared as town either.
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On August 10 2012 06:10 Sideni wrote:Arg ... Ok, looks like my cote didn't work REPOSTAlright, finally read through all the posts since I went to bed yesterday ! :D
@Dandel Ion : Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 05:28 Dandel Ion wrote:
Yeah, I'm lurking so far, I know I know. But so are goodkarma and Axero, Sideni (again) and Shady Sands (not even a single post since the start) I have to make it clear ... As I said in XXIII.O, I'm working from 5am to 1pm every day. From the time I go to bed and the time I come back from work (do not forget that I do have a life outside of the Internet. i.e. I went to a music school today to get lessons ! :D) there's a lot of time for people to post and you have to remember, I'm a slow reader Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 09:06 Sideni wrote:
I want to make a clear statement, I work every day from 5am to 1pm EST.
I looked yesterday (Sunday) to see when was the game starting and it had not begun yet. So, I went to bed (when you work this early, you have to sleep xD)
I came back today from work, all pumped up about starting my first game of forum mafia (I've only played the one on StarCraft) and I saw that I had 7 pages to read of English (I'm a slow reader in French, just imagine in English xD) I don't know if it's just that you forgot (I have to give it to you, it's from my first post in the game) or if you're trying to skip over that detail just to have one more name on your lurking list. =/ I have to tell you that it makes me a bit suspicious that you didn't know I was at work... However, I'm sure I'll forget (as you perhaps did) that Hapa is going on a trip for his marriage ! (Can't believe you fell for that trap(marriage) Hapa ) Regarding the case of mkfuba :Honestly, I read through it and I felt it was a great case and you somehow convinced me a bit (enough to make Lvdr my number 1 suspect) ! The "Both hapa and yh are mafia or both are town?" got me ! Being town, I would only have written "Both Hapa and YH are mafia ?" or at least in a different order (town before mafia)... However, I felt that it was kinda early to get a case going, not that it's a bad thing, but it's quite early. An early case and an early vote, could be suspicious to my eyes, but I don't have anything to make a read from you ! At the same time of posting, I want to ask what means EBWOP :D Also, note for @YourHarry : Hi there, nothing personal, it just highly irritates me to see, in your posts, "Hapha" instead of "Hapa" ... Could you please take care of that just for me ? :D It would be so kind of you :D
EBWOP = Edit By Way Of Post
Basically "edit:", just in another post, since you're not allowed to edit in mafia.
Shit I just explained something, sorry Promethelax, I'll never do it again
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@Promethelax :
You have to forgive myself, I didn't remembered the right name ...
I was talking about one of the new player, Kronen.
I'm sure you're not a fan of people who don't read, me neither
I'm always reading everything :D
On August 09 2012 13:23 Kronen wrote:
On the 14th through the 17th of this month I'll be travelling to, preparing for and going through with my marriage ceremony on the other side of the country.
@Dandel Ion :
Thanks for your explanation
@Everybody :
In my repost, I wrote "cote" instead of "quote" ... I'm truly sorry for that grammar mistake !
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Honestly, I read through it and I felt it was a great case and you somehow convinced me a bit (enough to make Lvdr my number 1 suspect) ! The "Both hapa and yh are mafia or both are town?" got me ! Being town, I would only have written "Both Hapa and YH are mafia ?" or at least in a different order (town before mafia)...
I find this passage by Sideni somewhat scummy. Sideni claims a weak command of english multiple times, but is still comfortable bandwagoning mkfuba's argument with a semantic argument. As i said last game, scum hate making their own cases, and Sideni's is pretty fluffy.
FOS Sideni
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On August 10 2012 05:53 Hapahauli wrote:
So let's kick things off:
FOS iamperfection
I feel like you've been going with the flow so far this game. You haven't started any original suspicions and you've been alternating between criticisms of players and piggybacking off other player's suspicions. This is completely different from your town play in the aborted game, where you tunneled YH from day 1.
I believe i gave reasons already why im not gonna tunnel yourharry ಠ_ಠ
On August 09 2012 09:39 iamperfection wrote:
I think its important to remember that when i was pushing for the yourharry lynch it made more sense from my perspective.
1. i was the cop i wanted to appear to be somewhat scummy to stay alive as long as possible and gain more information.
2.i knew yourharry was not cop or and likely not any other power role since i knew i was a cop.
3. I think yourharry outside of the game has shown himself to be quite intelligent i encourage him if he is town to join us in a less chaotic tone.
And apparently trying to get people to talk more is scum motivated??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
I want people to partcipate and fully flesh out their reasoning when they do something. The more people talk in the long run i think we can find scum. I was honest with prom he has seem wierd to me on both days and i think he can partcipate more and i want him to. For your other crap i will continue to get people to talk more its not idle suspicion im throwing out its just trying to get people to talk more. I'll be hunting scum while you do whatever it is that you do.
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I just find your playstyle shift really really strange. You went from tunneling 1 player to questioning several over the course of one game. Furthermore, I'd understand if you were "getting people to talk" as you have said, but most of your questions have been piggybacking off of the suspicions of others. I'd be more sympathetic to your cause if you were willing to question someone off the radar, but as it stands, you've been following the flow of suspicion this game.
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@hapa - What do you think of my analysis of link 4 in your case?
I agree that iamperfection hasn't offered much of his own, but his play has really mirrored your own in terms of questioning many people.
@iamperfection - I encourage you to make a case of your own. While you have encouraged plenty of discussion, you haven't contributed a lot of your own analysis.
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On August 10 2012 07:02 Lvdr wrote:
@hapa - What do you think of my analysis of link 4 in your case?
I agree that iamperfection hasn't offered much of his own, but his play has really mirrored your own in terms of questioning many people.
@iamperfection - I encourage you to make a case of your own. While you have encouraged plenty of discussion, you haven't contributed a lot of your own analysis.
I aint going to fabricate a case just to defend myself.
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On August 10 2012 06:05 Lvdr wrote:
@hapa I don't think the case you're making against iamperfection is really scummy.
link 1: iam clearly does not trust yh, especially given what happened last game. understandable.
link 2: he is looking for more information. yes he doesn't offer an opinion, but it seems like a null read, not scummy.
link3: as you said he missed the joke spoiler. null read.
link 4: confirms that he missed the spoiler mentioned in link 3 and shows a proportional amount of suspicion on me. reads town to me because mafia have no interest in encouraging me to mount a good defense.
link 5: follows his established pattern of encouraging others to put out more information and reads.
This reads as a very flimsy case and even a bit of a reach.
My suspicions don't deal with the individual content of the posts themselves rather the whole package. Iamperfection really hasn't stuck his neck out and has been questioning people who are under suspicion. He's asking questions and whatnot, but he's not taking strong opinions unless others take them (his FOS against you).
So while his individual posts are excusable, I find them suspicious in context. What say you?
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On August 10 2012 07:06 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 07:02 Lvdr wrote:
@hapa - What do you think of my analysis of link 4 in your case?
I agree that iamperfection hasn't offered much of his own, but his play has really mirrored your own in terms of questioning many people.
@iamperfection - I encourage you to make a case of your own. While you have encouraged plenty of discussion, you haven't contributed a lot of your own analysis. I aint going to fabricate a case just to defend myself.
If you have no analysis to make doesn't this make you useless to the town? The idea behind lynching lurkers is that continued activity makes it very difficult for mafia to hide. In this case you are refusing to put yourself out there; essentially that would make you a lurker.
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@Lvdr
[QUOTE]On August 10 2012 07:02 Lvdr wrote:
@hapa - What do you think of my analysis of link 4 in your case?
I agree that iamperfection hasn't offered much of his own, but his play has really mirrored your own in terms of questioning many people.
For my reference:
[Quote]link 4: confirms that he missed the spoiler mentioned in link 3 and shows a proportional amount of suspicion on me. reads town to me because mafia have no interest in encouraging me to mount a good defense.[/Quote]
Again, I think you're missing my point. He only places his FOS after two players have done so. As far as his play mirroring my own - he is questioning, but again, his questions follow the other townie's suspicions.
But I'm curious about the conclusion you draw from his post; how does it read town? He takes an awfully diplomatic tone toward someone he is suspecting of being mafia no?
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On August 10 2012 07:09 Lvdr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 07:06 iamperfection wrote:On August 10 2012 07:02 Lvdr wrote:
@hapa - What do you think of my analysis of link 4 in your case?
I agree that iamperfection hasn't offered much of his own, but his play has really mirrored your own in terms of questioning many people.
@iamperfection - I encourage you to make a case of your own. While you have encouraged plenty of discussion, you haven't contributed a lot of your own analysis. I aint going to fabricate a case just to defend myself. If you have no analysis to make doesn't this make you useless to the town? The idea behind lynching lurkers is that continued activity makes it very difficult for mafia to hide. In this case you are refusing to put yourself out there; essentially that would make you a lurker.
Very well you want some orginal content?
On August 10 2012 06:05 Lvdr wrote:
@hapa I don't think the case you're making against iamperfection is really scummy.
link 1: iam clearly does not trust yh, especially given what happened last game. understandable.
link 2: he is looking for more information. yes he doesn't offer an opinion, but it seems like a null read, not scummy.
link3: as you said he missed the joke spoiler. null read.
link 4: confirms that he missed the spoiler mentioned in link 3 and shows a proportional amount of suspicion on me. reads town to me because mafia have no interest in encouraging me to mount a good defense.
link 5: follows his established pattern of encouraging others to put out more information and reads.
This reads as a very flimsy case and even a bit of a reach.
Lvdr defends me because he knows im town in hopes that i will go after someone else. Lvdr then encourages me to make new case in hopes to get attention on someone else.
there you go
## Vote LVDR
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It seems to me that mafia would want me to thrash myself into a mislynch. Essentially, leave him alone and vote for him later.
Town is afraid of mislynching and encourages a robust defense in the interest of getting more information.
It cannot be said enough that it is d1 and these reads are completely preliminary. Look it as +1 town points, but you need more than 1 to be town, or town read with low confidence.
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i am so glad to have gained 1 point on lvdr's town scoreboard. (this post contains sarcasm)
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