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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
I think people confirming is a tradition of some sort? Just to show that they are playing the game. | ||
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
On January 13 2012 17:28 VisceraEyes wrote: ![[image loading]](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ARIZOPe9fAY/TkVsOQHcE5I/AAAAAAAABVQ/TAktPrEvmHc/s400/MADINA-3.jpg) Look around you. Go on, go back to page 1 and take a good long look at the player-list in this game. I'll wait. You'll see some familiar names, some you don't recognize, some you love playing with and some you hate playing with. You'll see seasoned veterans and raw newbies. You'll see professional e-sports figures and people fresh off super-secret-probation. This is possibly one of the most diverse player-lists since XLVII. With such a diverse cast of characters, do we really want the same ol' mayor calling the shots? It's time for a change. My name is VisceraEyes. Some of you might know me as 'that crazy guy who used to post insane nonsense but who has come back actually making sense at least half the time'. Others might know me as 'isn't he that guy who shot the GF on N1 of Election Mafia?' Still others of you may have never heard of me at all. It is for all of these reasons and more that I'm nominating myself for Mayor of Liquidia. "But VE, surely you jest! No one would follow you!" You have a point sir, but please allow me to explain. I don't intend to 'lead' the town. I intend to play the game as I always do - by being as open and transparent with my reads/thoughts as I can possibly be. I intend to lynch scum today, and I intend to relentlessly hunt for the remaining scum WITH town in the days to come. In this way, if town is interested in hunting scum, they have to follow me, because I'll already be doing that. It's called lead by example, and it's something the vets have forgotten about. "VE, surely you can see the merit of having a proven veteran of TLMafia as the mayor, right? At this point, no. In the games I've played, it seems to me like the vets are all mostly interested in surviving the first 2 night-kills (if they're town) before actually playing the game. I'm tired of electing someone into a position, only to have them waste it by lurking and throwing out random pro-town tidbits in an effort to avoid getting killed while they collect data. What does this serve to do? Get random players killed while the Mafia try and kill that vet before they become effective, that's what. I'll be active the whole game, not just from D3 on. I'll be lynching scum TODAY, and I'll be hunting scum with you guys starting X pages ago…not on D3. All right that makes sense, but I've got to know: are you going to be as effective at scumhunting as a vet would? I'm not going to lie, here. I'm probably not as good at scumhunting as some of the vets may be. But I'll tell you what I DO know. I know that I probably try harder than all of them. It's part of the reason I've improved as much as I have since I started playing: because I relentlessly look for the scums. And here's something else to think about: go over my last couple of games and tell me that my alignment was a mystery to you. Go on, look. I bet anyone here (including some of our fresher players) could go look through my filter of any given game and accurately predict my alignment. Can you say the same about any of the vets also running for mayor? I'm talking to you too, vets: can you honestly say that I'll be harder to read than, say, BloodyC0bbler? Or Meapak? I'm almost convinced sir, but I have one final question for you: who would you lynch if chosen to be mayor? I can honestly say that I have no idea yet who I'm going to lynch today (and who asks that at a time like this anyway?) But I promise that I'll take everyone's input into account should you choose to elect me, and the final decision will be a town decision. Hi, VE. Why are you trying to avoid responsibility for your day 1 lynch? Is it because you already know you won't be lynching scum? | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
But whatever. It's not important to talk about and I regret even bringing it up now. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6785 Posts
 Anyway, I am running for mayor as well. At the moment, I do not most of the mayor candidates. I don’t like Cyber_Cheese because his reasoning for him being mayor is weak in my opinion. Saying that you should be elected because your scum play is bad isn’t very inspiring. His other argument is that he’ll be active (nice trait for a mayor to have but everybody should be active), also he says he’ll lynch the scummiest mayor candidate which I don’t like because one of the mayor candidates may not be the best choice. I don’t like Kitaman because he says he’s not the strongest town player and I want to elect the strongest mayor possible. He also cites his activity as a reason to be elected but like I said earlier, everyone should be active. Kita does say some good things, if the people who I consider stronger players than kita don’t run or look scummy to me, I’d not be opposed to having kita as my sheriff. Bum is a really bad vote. Insane 2 is a good example, another good example is responsibility where kita (the mafia) almost convinced him to mislynch. My point is that bum can be swayed and isn’t the most reliable person to have for mayor. I want a mayor who I can be sure will not be swayed by mafia. Also, I really dislike bum claiming (or at least hinting) blue. I don’t like Mr. Wiggles, his reasoning is basically, “every mayor post will sound the same so vote for me.” While it’s true that mayor posts do sound similar, they put the candidate in the spotlight, and even if the candidate doesn’t get elected, they still have to play by the values they espoused because they publicly said that’s how they’d play. Just because Foolishness is good does not make Bill Murray a good vote. While foolishness is known for random trolling in the first few days, this is just completely ridiculous. While it’s great that BM says he wants to scum hunt and all, I want to elect someone who I’ve seen evidence of good scum hunting and I haven’t seen that from BM (in fairness, I didn’t have the greatest opportunity, however I’m still going to stick with players I know are good). Risk.nuke does the same thing as kita and says he isn’t the best townie, he also says he’s lost interest a few times but swears he won’t do it this game. Famous last words… No offense risk but this isn’t very compelling. Protactinium has one post saying he’ll lynch ciryandor. Not very compelling, maybe that’ll change when he posts more. Out of all the candidates so far, BloodyC0bbler is the one who made the most sense and I would vote for to be my sheriff. He and Bum are both claiming to do a lot of the same thing, however bum (as I said before) can be swayed and manipulated. BC also willing accepts the spotlight which is good and he doesn’t over promise what he can deliver. Bum talks about organizing the town, BC says what he’d do. Subtle but important difference which means without further ado: ##Vote: BloodyC0bbler I’d love to have you be my sheriff :D Now after all that let’s get to why I would make a good mayor. For one thing, I am a good scum hunter. I can claim credit for at least two scum lynches and two successful vigi shots in a recent time frame. My town play is extremely solid and you can count on me to be analyzing and posting throughout the game. While I hate to use this as a reason since I ragged on people earlier for doing it, I’d also like to point out that my scum play is pretty atrocious as evidenced by my performance in the last pyp game. As mayor, I will be constantly scum hunting. Now mayor doesn’t magically give a license to scum hunt, I'll be owning scum hard whether I'm elected or not, it’s the protection I’m looking for. I would like to be able to kill as many scum as possible and that’ll be difficult if I die night one. Electing a mayor is a lot about choosing who will survive the nights, that’s why it’s important to have a townie AND a good player because the longer that player can survive the better. This is why a) I don’t want to vote for people who consider themselves only middling town player and b) why I want BC to be sheriff. Anyway, those are my reasons for getting elected, now on to scum hunting. I’d like everyone to take a quick look at these posts by GGQ: On January 13 2012 15:29 GGQ wrote: Your posts have been very bad so far. This post is also bad. On January 13 2012 15:32 GGQ wrote: Also voting for BM because he is BM is really dumb. He should be treated like any other player, we don't need metagame arguments/discussions about him clogging up the thread. Don't vote for him, stop discussing him until he posts, then talk about his posts. Thanks you. These two posts are extremely bad for town. The first one is bad because he just calls out these people without giving a reason for why their posts were bad. If you’re going to call people out (as I’m doing right now) say why you’re doing it. In fact I’d like to make that clear real quick: If you are town, give reasons when you call people out. There’s absolutely no reason not to share your thoughts. The second post is bad because it contradicts itself and is pretty useless all in all. Nisani does the same thing: On January 13 2012 16:18 Nisani201 wrote: All the mayor candidates suck. Although Nisani later clarifies this post as to why he doesn’t like the candidates, it would have been way better if he had just done that in the first place rather than make a blanket statement. Please please please refrain from making these sorts of posts. If you’re gonna say something is bad, tell us why. This goes for everyone and it’d be great if we had a game where everyone explained stuff when they posted it. Also while we’re on the topic of bad posting, please keep these sorts of questions (@such and such, who do you think about so and so?) to a minimum. They serve no purpose. Questions are powerful tools when used correctly; however mindlessly asking people random questions is a great way for scum to appear active and contributing. So let’s as a town just agree not to do this mkay. I don’t have much else to say at the moment. In anticipation of all the “@Mayor candidate: who would you lynch and why?” posts I’ll just say at the moment I’d lynch GGQ based on what I wrote above, however it’s only like a few hours into the game and not everybody has even checked in yet so I think it’s too early start calling for people’s deaths. However, now is a perfect time for: FOS: GGQ Gonna match actions to words. K I’m going to sleep. I’ll be around tomorrow so I’ll address whatever comes up then. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6785 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On January 13 2012 17:57 GGQ wrote: Hi, VE. Why are you trying to avoid responsibility for your day 1 lynch? Is it because you already know you won't be lynching scum? No sir, I'm not avoiding responsibility for anything. Ultimately the decision will be mine, and I fully understand and appreciate that. I'm only saying that I'm not in the business of power-trippin about holding the lynch in my hands, and fully expect everyone in town to voice who they would like to see go. But as I said in my campaign post, I don't expect to not lynch scum.  | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On January 13 2012 18:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: 3000 BITCHES :D not good enough 16267 bitches! jkjk <3 mz | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6785 Posts
On January 13 2012 17:57 GGQ wrote: Hi, VE. Why are you trying to avoid responsibility for your day 1 lynch? Is it because you already know you won't be lynching scum? A more important question GGQ is why are you constantly attacking people? And more importantly, why are you doing it in such a scummy manner? + Show Spoiler + Since I harped on explaining reasons here's why what GGQ is doing is scummy. A townie has every right to call someone out, however a townie has no need to do so in a dismissive and doubt casting manner. GGQ could have phrased his question in a much less confrontational, much more protown manner. Also, it's a only a question... you already know how I feel about simple questions. | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
On January 13 2012 16:43 bumatlarge wrote: He's posting with a positive attitude and he didnt squeem at all at the prospect of lynching wiggles. Plus he took your lameness seriously :D I'm not planning ahead THAT much, and running for mayor as blue is perfectly reasonable reasoning. Unless a vanilla townie is very good, there is little reason for him to run over a townie. I find cheese's posting rather scummy so far. He seems rather content with stepping on peoples posts this game with not much regard to his own. I will review his case. I'm reading through and commenting on peoples play, yes. It was to draw out some reasons behind actions and thoughts that I'm trying to understand the motivation behind. On January 13 2012 17:10 Bill Murray wrote: It is not Foolishness's game I don't see how it is a moot point whatsoever I am not going to create a huge wall post, and sound like a high school football coach cyber_cheese is confirmed scum in my eyes. If I'm elected mayor, I'm lynching him He's acting like I haven't posted at all, when my post is right above his. To further his agenda, he's attacking bumatlarge for coaching power roles, when in his own post, he goes on to tell power roles to not run for mayor based on being power roles. Hypocrisy, and scum skimming, are just the icing on the cake, however. I had a scum read on him the minute he tried to get a lynch pushed through on Mr Wiggles, and then took his vote back when he realized it was for mayor. He was trying to get a mislynch pushed through for his scum team in my eyes. If he's town, oh well, he didn't even read any of my posts DIRECTLY ABOVE HIS, and he has not only proven he isn't reading, but already contradicted himself. At the time I was making that post, you hadn't posted. I made a joke about lynching Wiggles. Bum looked like he was ready to focus the elections around power roles. I was discouraging that situation. On January 13 2012 17:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote: eh? not that I want to start the first huge argument of the thread but. Do you agree that it is possible for someone to change their style? I am willing to give cheese about 20ish-30ish more minutes to respond to you before I make up my mind on him as well, I know my giant post was written as you posted 3 times. If he posts within the next bit of time badly or doesn't I will have him on a shit list. Making up your mind on someone not even a quarter of the way into the first day? Seems legit. On January 13 2012 18:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I was debating what to do with my 3k but I couldn’t think up of anything fast enough so this is it Anyway, I am running for mayor as well. At the moment, I do not most of the mayor candidates. I don’t like Cyber_Cheese because his reasoning for him being mayor is weak in my opinion. Saying that you should be elected because your scum play is bad isn’t very inspiring. His other argument is that he’ll be active (nice trait for a mayor to have but everybody should be active), also he says he’ll lynch the scummiest mayor candidate which I don’t like because one of the mayor candidates may not be the best choice. Yes, being bad at scumplay isn't inspiring. I haven't shown off my town prowess on this forum yet, so I don't have any epic winning streaks to brag about. Suffice it to say votes on me aren't misplaced. Everyone *should* be active in theory, but things can come up, and I guarentee that won't happen with me Scum will run for mayor, and more than likely they will be scummier than most of town. If we inspect the candidates closely, we can easily discern at least one. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6785 Posts
On January 13 2012 18:25 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Scum will run for mayor, and more than likely they will be scummier than most of town. If we inspect the candidates closely, we can easily discern at least one. I bolded the part I don't like. Yes, mayor does offer a lot of incentive for scum in the form of uncheckable. However I don't think it's safe to assume that it's a guarentee, and even if they do we may not be able to tell which one. In this case, it's just a better idea to lynch the scummiest player regardless of whether they were a mayoral candidate. Discussion on whether scum will or will not run for mayor is pretty much WIFOM so I'll just leave it at that, the above is what I think and will be how I conduct the lynch if I'm elected mayor. Ok really going to sleep now :D | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
kitaman bumatlarge-(also made a post here) Wiggles - town CC Foolishness (for BM) risk.nuke BM BC sandroba VE Meapak Cyber_Cheese and Foolishness comes off to me as most untrustworthy. Quotes in spoilers are marked with red numbers. CC On January 13 2012 14:10 Cyber_Cheese wrote: + Show Spoiler + Cheese for mare! Campaign unofficially endorsed by flamewheel As you all know, my scum play is pretty bad, and I have the time to put into the game to discern the scum from the town. Giving me those extra votes is securing a safe town future. I'm going to lynch the scummiest mayorial candidate, and my vote will go to the person that seems to have the most time to (effectively) put into the game.1 1. Though there isn't anything egregiously wrong with being super generic in campaign post, this post is also very very sparse for a campaign post. This is less of platform than Wiggles' non-platform platform. The "my scum play is bad" nonsense is also suspect. Stating that he intends to lynch a scummy mayorial candidate is interesting, but as it stands, he in essence is just saying "I will lynch a scum, and vote for a pro-town/active person". Not compelling enough for a platform. On January 13 2012 16:32 Cyber_Cheese wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 13 2012 15:08 Adam4167 wrote: Ill be waiting for Bill Murray to show up to the thread before I even consider him or his candidacy. So far I'm leaning towards voting for Cheese, as he is one of the few people in this game I have experience with. I am more likely to recognize his scum play if he is scum and, lets face it, he has a flaming pony as his campaign picture. So Cheese, since you opened the game with a vote on Wiggles, and he is now also running for mayor, will you be hanging him upon your election? No, that was a joke based on his always scum reputation. I will lynch the scummiest candidate.2 On January 13 2012 14:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote: A couple notes about the set-up: Elected roles gain detection immunity. This makes it worse for us if mafia get into one of these roles, as we have no way to DT check them. It also means that the GF probably won't run for office, or if he does, he'll drop out early. Between the mayor and the sheriff, the sheriff is the one who actually has power past day 1. So, one thing we can do, is vote in a player that we see as both a strong townie, and as being town in this game, into the mayor role solely for the purposes of protection. This applies to the sheriff too, but there's more responsibility on them as the game goes on due to the jailkeeper mechanic. Also something to note, is that we can't trust vig claims, due to the possibility of mafia jack's, who would be able to shoot and not affect what KP would show up that night coming from the mafia. We should also maybe talk about when to use our double lynches, but I don't think it's a huge deal until when the time comes that we might actually want to use them. We just need to be careful not to waste them. Vote me into office, please. I disagree, the mayor still has a fair amount of power as the game gets closer to LYLO. 3 Rather than calling my posts bad, try adding something to the discussion. Are you running for mayor? If so, details. If not, what do you think of the candidates? Also, bum is directing blues already? planning ahead that much seems scummy... 4 One more thing, if anyone was even considering it, don't run for mayor based on being a blue. It gives the scum too much information on day 1, and it could be scum lying. 2.Now that candidates have spoken, I'm interested who CC thinks the "scummiest candidate" is, as atm your posting has been incredibly sparse for a potential candidate. CC is either apathetic or evasive with information, neither of which are favorable for a mayor position at all. 3.Wiggles forgetting that Mayor has 3 votes was already stated in the thread. CC is not only answering only a small snippet of Wiggles' post; his assertion here doesn't really make sense in context of the thread. Why is he psuedo-analyzing Wiggles' post? He is commenting on the most obvious part of Wiggles post... something is just strange here. Also, Mayor's power increases a LOT as LYLO approaches... I don't like how he downplays it. 4.Bum's post isn't inherently scummy but could be construed as such; trying to lead blues astray / gain credit by telling blues what to do can advance a scum agenda, but if you look at bum's post, his blue list is pretty...... tame. It's just general advice; at this early part of the game I don't see how you can see this as scummy. It seems like you are trying to intentionally cast doubt on his position, unfairly. On January 13 2012 18:25 Cyber_Cheese wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 13 2012 17:10 Bill Murray wrote: It is not Foolishness's game I don't see how it is a moot point whatsoever I am not going to create a huge wall post, and sound like a high school football coach cyber_cheese is confirmed scum in my eyes. If I'm elected mayor, I'm lynching him He's acting like I haven't posted at all, when my post is right above his. To further his agenda, he's attacking bumatlarge for coaching power roles, when in his own post, he goes on to tell power roles to not run for mayor based on being power roles. Hypocrisy, and scum skimming, are just the icing on the cake, however. I had a scum read on him the minute he tried to get a lynch pushed through on Mr Wiggles, and then took his vote back when he realized it was for mayor. He was trying to get a mislynch pushed through for his scum team in my eyes. If he's town, oh well, he didn't even read any of my posts DIRECTLY ABOVE HIS, and he has not only proven he isn't reading, but already contradicted himself. At the time I was making that post, you hadn't posted. I made a joke about lynching Wiggles. Bum looked like he was ready to focus the elections around power roles. I was discouraging that situation.5 On January 13 2012 18:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I was debating what to do with my 3k but I couldn’t think up of anything fast enough so this is it Anyway, I am running for mayor as well. At the moment, I do not most of the mayor candidates. I don’t like Cyber_Cheese because his reasoning for him being mayor is weak in my opinion. Saying that you should be elected because your scum play is bad isn’t very inspiring. His other argument is that he’ll be active (nice trait for a mayor to have but everybody should be active), also he says he’ll lynch the scummiest mayor candidate which I don’t like because one of the mayor candidates may not be the best choice. Yes, being bad at scumplay isn't inspiring. I haven't shown off my town prowess on this forum yet, so I don't have any epic winning streaks to brag about. Suffice it to say votes on me aren't misplaced. Everyone *should* be active in theory, but things can come up, and I guarentee that won't happen with me Scum will run for mayor, and more than likely they will be scummier than most of town. If we inspect the candidates closely, we can easily discern at least one.6 5. This feels like weak back pedaling... bum's post doesn't reek election on power; though his blue list is long, he's just stating strategy. 6.Honestly I'm most interested in CC's tone... posting style is very sparse as noted, but the very point-by-point feel to his posts, especially this section, feels like he is trying to put out a minimal amount of information while still trying to sway things a certain way. Posting minimally can be good, but when also trying to get things done... I don't know. It's strange and evasive. Adam, I'm curious if you are still for Cheese. Will make another post on Foolishness and who I like for mayor... this is taking forever lol. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
On January 13 2012 18:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I bolded the part I don't like. Yes, mayor does offer a lot of incentive for scum in the form of uncheckable. However I don't think it's safe to assume that it's a guarentee, and even if they do we may not be able to tell which one. In this case, it's just a better idea to lynch the scummiest player regardless of whether they were a mayoral candidate. Discussion on whether scum will or will not run for mayor is pretty much WIFOM so I'll just leave it at that, the above is what I think and will be how I conduct the lynch if I'm elected mayor. Ok really going to sleep now :D Yes there can be scummier people, but people who push for mayor are exposing themselves to much harsher scrutinization, which means it's essentially a random lynch outside of that pool if we capitalize on the obligations required to run to a decent capacity (e.g make them post opinions and scumhunt). On January 13 2012 15:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote: My campaign is to not make a campaign post, because they're all the same (except for foolishness' so far), and they're all useless. Having a campaign is important. We need to know what the person intends to do, and have something we can bind them with. It also generates a lot of meaningful discussion. Yes most of the campaign posts will look similar, but if a candidate is unwilling to take stances on little things now, can we trust them with a power role? Moreover, if they promise things, we can hold them to it. So far, Wiggles is running on scare tactics and a plea, and seems to be very focused on the setup If the day were to end right now, he would be my lynch. From me, you can expect things like: replies within a decent time frame, my votes to be an assessment of the game as a whole (not tunnelling), and honesty. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
-_- I'll support sandro/Foolish/BC for mayor if I feel any of them are town. That'll take some reading. Which I don't feel like doing right now. Right now, I feel like playing Akali. The rest of you: if you are voting anyone other than those three, please explain why. | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
I am going to wait for everyone to show up to see if there are any more candidates before I make my decision as to who to vote for. Everyone needs to keep in mind that the mafia will have at least one of their players run in the elections. It's possible that they might choose two players to run in a bid to take Mayor AND Sheriff. I am NOT running for mayor. The more candidates we have, the easier it will be for the mafia to slip their choice(s) by us. After the elections are finished we need to carefully inspect the voting records. Consider also, that the Sheriff role might be more desirable for the mafia to control. Both roles are good, but having the weight of 3 votes means that the mafia will always have to justify their lynch votes and that's harder than justifying who to incarcerate. With all that said, I FULLY SUPPORT the elected Mayor choosing another candidate as their lynch target. The number of candidates will be low and I expect the mafia will have at least one player running. As long as we choose an intelligent mayor, the odds are good that we draw first blood. Finally, I would like official confirmation: Can the elected players be roleblocked? Also, is it possible to vote for Double Lynch on Day 1? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On January 13 2012 18:34 Palmar wrote: I have no intentions of running for mayor or caring much about the mayor elections. I'm probably going to be voting VisceraEyes, depending on how dumb he will be through the day. lynch Palmar for this please | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On January 13 2012 17:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote: eh? not that I want to start the first huge argument of the thread but. Do you agree that it is possible for someone to change their style? I am willing to give cheese about 20ish-30ish more minutes to respond to you before I make up my mind on him as well, I know my giant post was written as you posted 3 times. If he posts within the next bit of time badly or doesn't I will have him on a shit list. It's not only possible, but it is natural I haven't played with him in awhile, so I don't want to get into a meta discussion on foolishness On January 13 2012 17:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Always possible, but pushing you for mayor is a fairly strong reaction test and links the two of you near at the hip from game start which is insanely uncharacteristic of him. I disagree. He has attached himself to me before I even posted, but if it's not a rxn test, it makes no sense. @VisceraEyes, when you can admit: "I'm not going to lie, here. I'm probably not as good at scumhunting as some of the vets may be.", what is your point in running? I am against people running if they are not a good scumhunter. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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