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CjrNinja
Australia223 Posts
However, there is still hope! Now that Pyo has claimed, we can figure out who the mafia are with good old process of elimination. Pyo and Gtrsrs are blue. Freeloader got checked by Pyo was told green. Alderan is telling the truth about his roleblock, and I'm the final vanilla townie! Pyo Gtrsrs Freeloader Alderan CjrNinja Which leaves three people. Supersoft Treadmill Drazerk This is assuming both Pyo and gtrsrs are telling the truth. If not, then i gg lol. | ||
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
On June 23 2011 09:31 CjrNinja wrote: Sorry Xedat T.T However, there is still hope! Now that Pyo has claimed, we can figure out who the mafia are with good old process of elimination. Pyo and Gtrsrs are blue. Freeloader got checked by Pyo was told green. Alderan is telling the truth about his roleblock, and I'm the final vanilla townie! Pyo Gtrsrs Freeloader Alderan CjrNinja Which leaves three people. Supersoft Treadmill Drazerk This is assuming both Pyo and gtrsrs are telling the truth. If not, then i gg lol. Except gtrsrs is lying. I really don't know what else to say about him at this point. | ||
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CjrNinja
Australia223 Posts
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
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CjrNinja
Australia223 Posts
Pyo is telling the truth. Pyo Freeloader Myself Treadmill Supersoft gtrsrs lied about medic Alderan lied about being roleblocked. drazerk How does that look to you? | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
before we compile data we need to give a chance for someone else to claim. if you're the real detective then you need to step forward and claim now. give us your n1 report and we can decide who is telling the truth, you or Pyo. if no one steps forward, we have to take Pyo at his word. not sure why he claimed during the night phase tbh. now mafia can kill one of us and roleblock the other. either way we have 0 chance at a save and 0 new info tomorrow. really should have waited til the day. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
the mafia had no reason NOT to roleblock me on n1. it's quite conceivable that Pyo is mafia faking a cop claim, and alderan is mafia faking a roleblocked claim. there's no roleblocker or cop, the mafia left me alive as a scapegoat and chanced that i wouldn't get a save. there's still no roleblocker, i will not be blocked tonight, and i will either die or have another shot at a save. | ||
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
On June 23 2011 09:59 CjrNinja wrote: Ok then, just for you, lets entertain the notion that gtrsrs is lying. (The real medic would have counterclaimed by now so we can say that setup 4 is in play for this scenario) Pyo is telling the truth. Pyo Freeloader Myself Treadmill Supersoft gtrsrs lied about medic Alderan lied about being roleblocked. drazerk How does that look to you? I don't think that your assumption is necessarily correct. So, if there is a medic who isn't gtrsrs please claim. Because things are getting pretty stupid. [btw the problem with your initial reasoning is that you could literally sub any of me, Draz, or supersoft out for you and still hold - supersoft could claim, well, pyo and gtrsrs are blue, alderan and fl are green, I'm green, so Draz, Treadmill, and Cjr must be the mafia.] Honestly I'm not too worried about the he said - she said, cause pretty much anything can come from a mafia or a town perspective (Alderan could be claiming role-block because he's town and he was, or because he's mafia and he knows there isn't one, or because he's mafia and he knows there is a role-blocker but nobody got role-blocked). I trust Pyo because he's been playing fairly pro-town, and town is so close to losing that I have to have some trust. I don't trust gtrsrs because he's been playing extremely anti-town. So I really think that he's mafia because of this. | ||
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Alderan
United States463 Posts
But on the other hand this means though that we will not get a save tonight, and we will not get a mafia read tonight, which could have been game changing. I just don't see the long term play, you state it forces "mafia's hand" but what do they HAVE to do? This doesn't force them to do anything. All you did was assure we would not get another DT check for the rest of the game. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
i have no strong town reads on anyone because my scum detector is broken so it's just as likely that i tried to save scum, which would only be more embarassing i hope i just die tonight instead  | ||
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freeloader625
United States180 Posts
On June 23 2011 09:16 Pyo wrote: All town has to do to stay in the game is to successfully hit a mafia next lynch (and I guess I can't quit). it is 5:3 right now. Assuming mafia successfully kills someone tonight, it will be 4:3. This means that as long as we are able to successfully lynch mafia each night, we can still win. And if we manage to hit the roleblocker (assuming they have one), then town is actually at an advantage. GIven that the only other person who voted gtrsrs flipped vanilla townie, I'm going to assume that there at least isn't another medic to counter claim. Now that doesn't necessarily mean that he isn't mafia given that he was going to get lynched so a 50/50 shot at claiming a non-existent role was better than the certainty of getting lynched. And given his personality, I wouldn't be surprised if he was actually a vanilla townie that claimed medic anyway. However, at this point I'm going to place my wager on gtrsrs having told the truth. And since it isn't very likely that he gets lynched tomorrow, he'll probably end up dying tonight. If he was lying, then well, gg - you've fooled enough of the town that you're victory was well won. Now, I'm going to assume that gtrsrs was telling the truth, so I'm going to go out on a limb here sort of force the mafia's hand. I am the town Detective. Night 1, I checked freeloader and he turned green. In retrospect, I should have checked gtrsrs, but I thought he'd be dead by now for sure. gtrsrs, I really hope you're the medic and actually care about winning. This isn't going to work if I'm wrong on either count. I'm glad I cleared as green, I don't get it. The game made sense before this, well kinda. Why would DT claim at night with rb in play? You are either asking to die or get blocked and with only one lynch to go that is a poor play. Why would DT check me of all people instead of much more obvious and important target:gtrsrs? The lynch was heavily in favor of gtrsrs and an hour before he gets lynched he claims blue. Claiming blue literally saved his ass. The reasons to check him is plentiful... 1) ...to see if hes really town aligned, because if he is hes probably... 2) ...telling the truth. Which means... 3) ...town setup is confirmed 100% without doubts. Else it would mean... 4) ...gtrsrs is scum as I originally expected. Instead you check me because I had a very valid argument against a potential (and still maybe) scum? So now I'm thinking... either you played a DT very very very poorly or you're lying or gtrsrs is lying or you're both lying???? This doesn't make any sense. | ||
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Eloquent
United States475 Posts
On June 23 2011 13:33 Kenpachi wrote: I thought this was the misc thread because of its long title name LOL, how does long title name = misc thread? haha and keep up the good cases, I'm following and like to read what you all have to say. | ||
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Xedat
Germany358 Posts
As a feedback question, did anybody actually read my defense? Was it too long or to diffuse? Was there anything I could have said that would have changed your mind? If you want to you can pm me some feedback. (I hope this is okay with the hosts, if not I apologize) | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
Ok im confused? - Why do this at night Mafia will either kill him or force a lynch on us Or he is mafia and will use it to get a lynch on a town Im very confident there is no role blocker in this game | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On June 23 2011 23:46 GMarshal wrote: This is a reminder to everyone who has not submitted an action yet to get it in to me and Mataza before the deadline. Otherwise it is assumed you spent the night learning interpretative dance, rather than doing whatever action it is you were supposed to be performing So all townies are automatically masters at Interpretative dance?  new mafia list since This is going down hill fast... . Pyo Alderan Freeloader | ||
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freeloader625
United States180 Posts
On June 23 2011 20:22 Drazerk wrote: Wait Pyo is claiming blue? Ok im confused? - Why do this at night Mafia will either kill him or force a lynch on us Or he is mafia and will use it to get a lynch on a town Im very confident there is no role blocker in this game No I was thinking along these lines because of such unexpected plays. With no counter claims either they're all telling the truth simultaneously, some of them are lying or all of them are lying. They could be collaborating and perhaps missed the fact that a DT would not claim at night, perhaps out of excitement near this games end leads to a slip that could turn this game around. My new list is as follows 1. Pyo 2. Gtrsrs 3. Alderan 4. Drazerk 1. Claiming blue at Night, virtually eliminating all our chances to win the game. Refusing to check gtrsrs when it would be most beneficial to. Checking me instead. Very anti-town. 2. Day 1 anti-town plays. Gtrsrs if Pyo really is blue then maybe you're not. But then gain you both could very well be telling the truth. 3. Roleblock if rb does not exist. If it does then you're all very possibly telling the truth. If not then TWO of you MUST be lying. 4. Latching on our medic claim, then attacking him, then hugging him, then attacking him. Generally confusing and contradicting posts. | ||
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