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jrkirby
United States1510 Posts
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Warent
Sweden205 Posts
I hate all these shitty lurkers. I don't wanna lynch em cause... some of em are town. but I hate em cause they're terrible town. Yes, the lurkers are very problematic. Obzy, the reason; I brought up Smancer was because he was the one who committed against Jampi even though his vote basically was based on your analysis of Jampis case against Rain. I believe scum prefer to not start a miss lynch but rather try to convince others to start them. Look at this quote from Fishgle for example: Fishgle: My scum reads at the moment are: jampidampi, jrkirby, and warent Jampi was town and jrkirby looks very good after this last lynch. I was leaning town for Smancer - but right now the best way to get information will be if we can get answers from Fishgles/Smancer/Moloch on these questions: Jampi: If you are lynching me for doing nothing, why aren't you lynching JarJar? If you are lynching me for bad cases, why aren't you lynching Rainbows? And: If you were lynching Jampi for making a case against Rain - why didn't you lynch me? I just want the justification for Lynching Jampi. And what is your opinion about Fishgle, Obzy? | ||
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On April 07 2013 02:49 Fishgle wrote: holy shit. things are happening. First off - fuck you rainbows, for being such an arrogant emotional mess. Here's a tip: it's less about what you say, and more about how you depict it. You didn't make any friends because of your abrasive behavior. I understand you were forced to reveal so you wouldn't get lynched, but it was your own damn fault that everyone suspected you. second - fuck you rainbows, if you're actually abandoning the game. third - THERAVENSNAME, WARENT, JAMPIDAMPI why are your votes still on rainbows? Are you guys implying that rainbows' reveal was a fake? If it were fake, there's a huge chance someone would counter-reveal, making it a terrible move for scum. it just doesn't make any sense for him to be scum, no matter how badly he plays. 4th - i think obzy has done a good job explaining further reasons as to why it's unlikely that rainbows is scum. 5th - someone asked about a comment i made about a read on Moloch. disregard it. we have bigger fish to fry now. plus, it was an early-game hunch. Moloch's posts have gotten a lot more substantive and level-headed from since i got the read. 6th - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405359¤tpage=18#345 - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405359¤tpage=12#231 I really think this is the best lead we have so far, coupled with the fact that he's still pushing a lynch on rainbows, who just revealed as the vigilante. ##Vote:jampidampi if I had to be suspicious of somebody on jampi, at the moment, it's smancer, not fish. his scum reads, I would've been quite happy with pre-lynch - now, I'm obviously a bit more skeptical - but I don't think that they make him scum, just reaching with the association to a jampi case. I'm more suspicious of Smancer than the other two, although they obviously all need to keep talking, along with everybody else ^^ Specifically regarding smancer; what's with the rainbows flip-flop? I'll admit, my own confidence was shaken - but really, does the jampi lynch change rainbows' situation? Rainbows wasn't even here for the majority of the jampi stuff. (Which is fucking bad, no doubt! But for Smancer to bring up rainbows after the fact? =l *shrug* Also not liking Jarjar for lurking - why not nobodywonder as well? Jarjar just happened to be the one being voted for lurking at that time. This isn't concrete, of course - but if I had to pick somebody on jampi's wagon that was actually scum, it would be Smancer, not Fish or Moloch. [Naturally, I am ignoring myself. ^^] Does anybody have any opinions on this? | ||
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jrkirby
United States1510 Posts
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
if you're worried about getting killed, post in 40 minutes when the night action resolution period is occurring (assuming we have one) about your reads, don't just say "It depends" and wait :x Do we have a one hour night action resolution period this game? | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On April 07 2013 09:15 jrkirby wrote: Can we talk during the night? Yes On April 07 2013 09:48 jrkirby wrote: If Mafia and Vigilante both killed someone different, we know who each group killed, right? All kills are the same no matter if they come from scum, or any other kill power role which may exist. On April 08 2013 07:20 Obzy wrote: Do we have a one hour night action resolution period this game? I do not believe so. Night ends in 1.5 hours, make sure all night actions are sent in to host and co-hosts | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 08 2013 07:16 jrkirby wrote: All my reads depend on whether rainbows is alive after the end of the night and how many people die. When would rainbows be modkilled if he never shows up? While Rainbows is in the game he is in the game. That's all anyone needs to know. | ||
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Fishgle
United States2174 Posts
On April 07 2013 19:05 Warent wrote: These questions from Jampi (Sarafs who brought them up first). Did anyone even try to answer them? So, Smancer, Fishgle, Moloch, care to honour JarJars wish and provide an answer to these questions? i voted for him, not because he made bad cases, but because he didn't make any at all, except for his small ones on Saraf and jarjar at the very end. They felt like cop-out last minute BS to save his own ass, rather than well thought out arguments. He had been asking questions all game, and never giving an opinion, like he was trying to avoid any responsibility. Then, he goes after easy targets, Saraf and JarJar, both of whom have posted very little. Not only that, but he votes for JarJar, after he had just gotten 2 votes. He stated "i'll be back after clearing my thoughts", waits until Saraf and jrkirby come in with their votes on jarjar, then just copies what they do. | ||
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Smancer
United States379 Posts
On April 08 2013 05:25 Warent wrote: I was leaning town for Smancer - but right now the best way to get information will be if we can get answers from Fishgles/Smancer/Moloch on these questions: Just to speak up, I did make a post in reagards to what has happened and who I noew suspect. Unfortunately I can't get any more from Rainbows or jarjar at the moment because no one is posting at all. | ||
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Moloch
Canada222 Posts
On April 07 2013 19:05 Warent wrote: What bothers me is the heavy focus on how things are being presented instead of looking at the content. These questions from Jampi (Sarafs who brought them up first). Did anyone even try to answer them? So, Smancer, Fishgle, Moloch, care to honour JarJars wish and provide an answer to these questions? On April 07 2013 23:19 TheRavensName wrote: You've had some time to relook at Rainbow's blue claim as well as the lynch, do you have any thoughts or feelings you would like to share sense you were one of the ones who did vote for him? I'll do my best to answer both of these. I didn't particularly want to lynch JJD because, while he exhibited some of the same signs as jampi early-game (only ever talking about one person and never giving their own opinions on anything else), there wasn't nearly as many posts to go on. I realized that he might be scum lurking, but I felt there was a better chance he was just busy than he was lurking with malicious intent. As far as comparing him to Rainbows, the only thing the two of them have in common is that they each made a bad case. Overall, I felt the chance of the entire Rainbows ragequitting being legitimate was higher than being completely faked. While I've been thinking about it post-fact, I've been trying to think about Rainbows' move from a scum perspective. What would it gain them? - It gained them a non-Rainbows lynch. At the time of the explosion, I believe Rainbows was the one on track to being lynched. - It spread a lot of discord. Both of these things are obviously what they want short-term - especially if Rainbows actually is scum. BUT At the time of his declaration, they would have no way of knowing whether there's a real vigi. If there is, it's quite obvious the best thing for him to do is take out Rainbows - something the scum have no way of preventing unless they convince the doctor to protect him - which would result in good discussion and make people's alliance's easier to read. I'm going to wait until tomorrow before I read too much into anything. The scum hitting someone will give us another confirmed townie, so that will change almost every read we can make at the moment. | ||
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Fishgle
United States2174 Posts
On April 08 2013 07:05 Obzy wrote: if I had to be suspicious of somebody on jampi, at the moment, it's smancer, not fish. his scum reads, I would've been quite happy with pre-lynch - now, I'm obviously a bit more skeptical - but I don't think that they make him scum, just reaching with the association to a jampi case. I'm more suspicious of Smancer than the other two, although they obviously all need to keep talking, along with everybody else ^^ Specifically regarding smancer; what's with the rainbows flip-flop? I'll admit, my own confidence was shaken - but really, does the jampi lynch change rainbows' situation? Rainbows wasn't even here for the majority of the jampi stuff. (Which is fucking bad, no doubt! But for Smancer to bring up rainbows after the fact? =l *shrug* Also not liking Jarjar for lurking - why not nobodywonder as well? Jarjar just happened to be the one being voted for lurking at that time. This isn't concrete, of course - but if I had to pick somebody on jampi's wagon that was actually scum, it would be Smancer, not Fish or Moloch. [Naturally, I am ignoring myself. ^^] Does anybody have any opinions on this? if I were to look at the mislynch completely objectively, I would say that i'm the scum. I was the first to point out jampi being suspicious, and then I spearheaded the lynch, i think. Smancer helped me a lot, but I don't know if he would have even thought about jampi if it weren't for me. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405359¤tpage=12#231 After that post, Smancer goes on to make his big incriminating argument, which is what got the lynch i think. I'm not sure what to make of it. i wouldn't have voted for jampi if it weren't for smancer's posts either. I was trying to build a case against warent at the time. So... since i'm obviously not going to vote for myself, i don't feel it'd be fair to vote for Smancer in this instance either. Unless someone else can show me some other evidence against smancer, i'm not going to point any fingers yet for the mislynch. I'm going to look over warent, saraf, and moloch's filters right now. I have null reads on all of them. Also, I think rainbows might need a second look. Before, I was completely sure he was telling the truth about the claim, but now i'm starting to doubt it. | ||
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jrkirby
United States1510 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Day 2 ![[image loading]](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_BPdwCWy3-18/TJ05dFL9KLI/AAAAAAAACO4/Gsz_3qrwknk/s640/couch-potato.png) Well we know where this is going. Saraf sat on his couch. watching porn. Every day, the same day. The TV started to flicker... it was fuzzy? Maybe he's seeing things, it's back to normal. It flickers again. Saraf blinks his eyes. What's going on? He takes another mouthful of popcorn. Maybe he was seeing things because he hadn't eaten enough. That must be it. The TV went fuzzy again, and the lights flickered. "Stupid blackouts" Saraf muttered. Out of the screen came a figure. was he imagining things? What's going on? There was a familiar sneer. "Just line 'em up." Saraf, Coach Potato, was killed! It is now Day 2. You have just under 48 hours to decide your lynch! | ||
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jrkirby
United States1510 Posts
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
I guess since it's the beginning of the day I'll say this now - -;, I don't intend to vote for Rain today. I also don't really intend to defend him. If he doesn't return in a timely manner, then he should probably be lynched because he isn't giving us anything to work with [Unless we have somebody that is identifiably more scummy than Rain is.] If he comes back, then it will depend. We also have nobodywonder and Jarjar lurking - I would like to see more from both of them, today. kirby, regarding your last post - it was almost guaranteed imho that Rain would survive the night unless we had another vigilante. Him not dying implies that: 1. we either do not have a vig, the vig was unluckily roleblocked, or an idiot doctor protected him despite the fact that Rain's death-by-night-kill-specifically would be rather convenient at this point in time. 2. He isn't fakeclaiming. Regardless of what he fakeclaimed, there could have potentially been a counter-claim - i specifically think vigilante would be a dangerous fakeclaim to make _because_ the real vig could just quietly off him, whetheras doctor would at least require a counterclaim to disprove in such a neat fashion. *shrug* | ||
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
On April 08 2013 09:14 jrkirby wrote: Damn. Rainbows is still alive. Either he's actually vigilante or there is no vigilante. i used a lot of words to say a little - yes, i think this is likely correct. | ||
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
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jrkirby
United States1510 Posts
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Fishgle
United States2174 Posts
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