EPTThe Sum of All Fears Mafia - Page 24
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
On March 28 2012 20:54 froggynoddy wrote: he was mocking me here. he wasnt defending/buddying me, he was pissed at me. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
I'm voting for reasons I explained very early in the thread. | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
On March 28 2012 23:10 johnnywup wrote: he was mocking me here. he wasnt defending/buddying me, he was pissed at me. If you read my post (I realise its a bit long) I am not stating that he was buddying at that stage, more that he was willing to forego a (in his opinion) stronger case against C_C for your (very much) weaker case against ET. That is bad play as you always have to stick with who you believe is most likely going to flip scum. VE defends himself as he wished to go for a town consensus but we hadn't reached that stage where you and he were dividing votes. | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On March 28 2012 20:16 zelblade wrote: To whoever poked me about the my view of "If C_C flips scum im quite sure gonzaw is his scumbuddie" or something along those lines, I'll explain it here. Gonzaw says that he posted regarding not claiming nationality stuff only because c_c soft claimed his nationality. But if you look at this post below... + Show Spoiler + Also, I'd recomend nobody even slightly hint what nationality they are from. As far as I know, town don't get ANY information whatsoever if someone is US or SU, but scum can use that info to try and get their alternative win-con. So no nationality claims, nor any hint to them. If you have to claim just claim your role and nothing else. I cut out the irrelevant stuff but nothing relevant has been excluded. Here you will see him saying "Alright guys no nationality claims", and he claims he did it in response to C_C's actions. But why didnt he call him out on it? I dont know but if I thought something was suspicious/bad I would actually quote it, or at the very least point it out and question why he did it. Instead gonzaw doesnt even mention that C_C did something like that - he conveniently skipped that part. As can be seen he conveniently skips out on C_C's supicious post. Why? I believe that C_C is scum, and gonzaw is his scumbuddy. Which is why I said that. I also believe that if C_C somehow flips town (im highly doubting it considering how little he is caring at this point), gonzaw would seem to be a little more townie. Scum love to cherry-pick stuff, and the fact that he didnt actually do that whilst calling C_C out shows that he could be town assuming C_C is town. Actually this is pretty weak considering that its based off a couple of posts, but this is what I feel of the situation at hand. Im also still most comfortable with a c_c lynch since he has essentially given up. Does he do this as town? Because him hinting at his nationality isn't a scum trait...? Okay people, I'll be as clear as I can with this so we don't get any more misinterpretations: I saw C_C softclaiming SU. That alone, for me isn't a tell of nothing. Could be scum confusing town or fishing for nationalities, could be SU getting too excited and breadcrumbing his nationality, could be US trying to confuse scum. If it was the 2nd one however, it would be very bad, and I posted the advice so everybody else knew not to do it again. His flag post isn't something I "called him out", because: 1)I didn't find it suspicious 2)He already did it, meaning he already softclaimed, so my advice wouldn't do shit to him. I hope this clears this misunderstanding. On March 28 2012 14:02 Bluelightz wrote: Hi guys back after eating lunch ^_^ on gonzaw's case, wtf? I didn't sheep, That was my own opinion on your post after reading your filter. Ehmm yes you did. You said and I quote: "Agreed lol, If you want to push a lynch on him im fine with it too". The only time you hinted I was suspicious was just the "I don't like his posts". That was a very subtle suspicion, but you never called me scum. After VE made his post, which rested on the whole "I didn't call C_C out for his flag" (which is a very weak point), you instantly agree with him, not commenting on said post at all, and want me lynched all of a sudden. I'd call that sheepiing. How does ONE seemingly good post deters my overall read of you of being scummy? You just said you didn't like my posts, but then you say one of them was not suspicious. So, if you liking and analysing each specific post of mine is what made you suspicious of me, then yes, you thinking 1 post of mine is "fine" crumbles your whole case on me. What the hell with "confused newbie"? I have played lots of games(lolz) and I have contributed, stayed active, and helped the discussion That's the point, you played so many games, yet in Aperture and in this game you act like a "confused newbie". Obviously you are not a newbie, so either you are doing this on purpose or you are scum and this is your scumplay. I believe the 2nd one is the case Some more reads, I think that Nemesis is town, he has been following discussion, not lurking, has provided reason for his vote on Cyber_Cheese. Why did you put a town read like this out of the blue (pun intended)? What was the purpose of this? @Everyone: This is one of those times where I agree with C_C. Doesn't it seem suspicious that nobody is suspicious of Blue and they defend him? A LOT of people are resisting the Blue lynch, don't you think that if he was townie some scum would jump on his bandwagon? So people, please consider this and take a better look at Blue, we have time to get him lynched instead of C_C. @froggy: Good that you are contributing again. What do you think about VE's case against me? What do you think about my case against Blue? P.S: I'd like the people who I responded to to respond back, for instance sloosh/C_C/etc | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
No. Thats not what I mean. You find something bad, and you want it to stop. What I find wierd is that you dont even mention C_C when stating that line, and it seemed to basically be generic advice. IF cc's flag motivated you to do that post, wouldnt you at the very least point it out? I find it supicious that despite you finding his flag bad for town and felt troubled enough to make a paragraph on why its bad, wouldnt you quote it or say something along the lines of "Dont do what c_c did?", or at the very least question his motivations for his soft-claim (which is personally what I would do if I think something is a bad play, or is scummy as hell)? | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
I am personally still more than happy with the c_c lynch, which is why I will be leaving my vote there. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On March 29 2012 01:00 zelblade wrote: @Gonzaw. No. Thats not what I mean. You find something bad, and you want it to stop. What I find wierd is that you dont even mention C_C when stating that line, and it seemed to basically be generic advice. IF cc's flag motivated you to do that post, wouldnt you at the very least point it out? I find it supicious that despite you finding his flag bad for town and felt troubled enough to make a paragraph on why its bad, wouldnt you quote it or say something along the lines of "Dont do what c_c did?", or at the very least question his motivations for his soft-claim (which is personally what I would do if I think something is a bad play, or is scummy as hell)? I fail to see how it's suspicious. Did I just have to say "C_C be bad" or some shit to magically make it a good post in your eyes? Bullshit. I already said why I didn't specifically point C_C out, because he had already done it and it wouldn't have done much good to tell him to stop or something (because he already did it). That's not how you hunt scum, you don't hunt scum because of wording (which should have been pretty apparent anyways). On March 29 2012 01:02 zelblade wrote: And if youre town go skim a few of bluelightz's town games. Purgatory and Wiggles mini mafia II for instance. No, if you are town go and skim Purgatory and Aperture. | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
Re your case against blue: he's sheeping... that seems to be basically all you are saying. Day 1 has so little info to work with that it's normal to agree what's been said before. That said in Werewolves II he was much more aggressive early game. But I don't like relying on meta as am such a new player... seems a flimsy way of going about hunting scum. I don't like this: On March 28 2012 04:27 VisceraEyes wrote: My responses to your bluelightz case are bolded. You're going to be lynched today, if you're town you'd better come up with some better reasoning than this if you expect to save yourself. I expected more C_C. I am dissapoint. VE should have let Blue defend himself (similarly to how he acted with JW), it would have given us far more interesting information/possible tells/ scumslips. VE is spraying this thread with his ego and I think its bad play. The only reason I'm not voting for him is I think its less likely that Mafia would actively defend someone on this thread as they have their own QT to coach one another allowing BL or JW to post their own defence. Note that I said less likely, not impossible. I also admit theres a slight element of WIFOM in that reasoning. I think my reasoning is as follows, C_C's flip will, at this point in time give us the most information: 1. he flips scum --> gonzaw's likelihood of being scum increases 2. he flips town --> VE and Blue likelihood of being scum increases One rogue element I'm struggling in dealing with is BH... I will be reading his filter over the next few hours. @everyone: this is my 3rd game, I got shot in my 2nd game N1. My logic therefore might not be up to scratch and am more than willing to listen as to how I may be wrong. I am not a stubborn person if confronted with strong evidence and sound reasoning but OMGUS-ing and general name-calling will make me think you are a dick and I therefore will be less inclined to listen to you. | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
On March 29 2012 00:46 johnnywup wrote: no, he was never willing to change his vote. he never planned on keeping his vote on ET, he was mocking my vote. (at least thats how i understand it) Re-read the thread, you're wrong. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I'm sorry I'm intimidating...but I think you'll find that I'm cuddly...like the world's softest cuddliest grizzly bear.  | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
On March 29 2012 02:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Froggy, I'm playing the way I'm playing because it's allowing me to get a read on people. I'm sorry you don't like it, but it's not, strictly speaking, "bad play"...it's only bad if it doesn't get results...which we don't know yet. I'm sorry I'm intimidating...but I think you'll find that I'm cuddly...like the world's softest cuddliest grizzly bear. I never said you were a bad player, just that I disagreed with some of your decisions e.g. defending JW and BL. Your case on C_C , as my vote attests to, is pretty good for day 1, or at least I feel that his lynch will give us some good information. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Hopefully this explains some of my actions. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
On March 29 2012 02:44 VisceraEyes wrote: What's with the explosion in activity froggy? I couldn't help but notice this came DIRECTLY after a day-long lurkfest and me asking others what they thought of you. Coincidence? Coincidence? Yes and no. Yes: I've explained my lack of activity yesterday due to RL commitments, I also thought the thread was chaos, first due to BH, then due to you and people were OMGUS-ing quite hard, thus making a noobie like me less likely to stick his head out. No: I know that I'm townie, therefore it is in (my and) town's interests for me to do my best to assuage any suspicions so that we can lynch scum. Also, as you can see from my first wall of text, I partly blame myself for your dominating of the thread and weakening town's general position so... here I am. | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
On March 29 2012 02:40 VisceraEyes wrote: I didn't so much "defend" Blue, only pointed out why C_C's case on him was awful... You are playing on semantics: attacking C_C's case on Blue is the same as defending Blue from C_C's attacks. Regardless, you have to admit that it would have been more valuable to town if you'd allowed Blue to post some content, particularly as I find his posts so far to be surprisingly lacking (though perhaps he hasn't been given the opportunity... which he would have had had you let him). | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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