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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
August 20 2011 17:53 GMT
#441
Im going to have to go for Sevyrn as well. The way he was playing when he made his first slipup is simply not the way town plays. Brownbear is acting odd, but Im more conviced of Sevyrn at the moment. Everything else has pretty much already been stated in the past few pages

## Vote Sevyrn
"life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery" / Join TL Mafia! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 20 2011 17:54 GMT
#442
##Vote Foolishness for Mayor
wat
xtfftc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2343 Posts
August 20 2011 17:54 GMT
#443
On August 21 2011 02:31 Curu wrote:
Hi xtffffffffffffc, what's your opinion on Sevyrn?

If I don't answer QuickSilver, people will claim that I have nothing to say in my defense.
If I don't analyse Sevyrn, I will be accused of not contributing.

I will try to do both as there is enough time before the deadline but this is exactly what Mafia want us to do - discuss a number of targets instead of a single one.


On August 21 2011 02:50 Foolishness wrote:
You're right xtfftc, using past behavior to analyze someone says nothing about their role, and I'm merely posting that information as fluff so I can hide better as mafia.

You got me bro

No need to be defensive as I did not accuse you of being mafia - I merely pointed out that your arguments don't help us.
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 20 2011 17:56 GMT
#444
wat

I'm asking for your thoughts on Sevyrn. Surely you have some thoughts on Sevyrn just from reading the thread like a good diligent Townie would be doing. I don't want a carefully crafted opinion or analysis, I want to know what you think about Sevyrn right now.
wat
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
August 20 2011 17:57 GMT
#445
On August 21 2011 02:25 Varpulis wrote:
I'm switching to Sevryn. He's more likely scum than Palmar at the moment, and I notice that the only people defending him are being SUPER careful not so seem like they are.
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 16:35 Foolishness wrote:
I would also like to beg to differ that I'm "defending" him. I'm not convinced yet that he's mafia, and I stated why I think that. Thus I'd rather take the wait and see approach. As I somewhat said, he's already got a few strikes; if he doesn't shape up then we kill him. Just because I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt right now does not mean I am defending him. I don't defend other people, I state why or how their actions could be misconstrued.


Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 08:41 supersoft wrote:
On August 20 2011 08:01 Curu wrote:
Wanna see worse scum logic? Town voting someone to sheep, then unvoting when called out for it cause he "doesn't want to get lynched."


hmm, sevryns behavior had something innocent in my eyes i don't know... Somehow I tend to buy that story...
I mean the whole thing started like that: Basic situation:
He knew Palmar from former games; and we all know that palmar played some good games for town recently - Palmar accuses DB; I jump on that wagon but declare it as a pressurevote. Varp shows up, says pressurevotes only work if you don't say it's a pressurevote (i 75% agree with that statement)
Now the poor sevryn sees all this: he also wants to contribute something by pressurevoting, so he fakes his reason and follows varps advice and gets caught immediately...
However that doesn't mean he's town.

If he flips scum i know who to look at next, which makes this a very good lynch. It provides information and has a good a shot as any at getting scum.


Why he's scummy has been covered before, but in short, he made an absolutely bullshit vote then called it pressure when he got called out for it: + Show Spoiler [quotes] +
On August 19 2011 23:39 Sevryn wrote:
Right now DB is looking the scummiest imo and after what palmar did in Swedish house mafia I am inclined to trust him. That said if there is a good case against anyone else i would be willing to give DropBear another lookskie
## vote DropBear

sheeping vote and trusting Palmar unconditionally
On August 20 2011 00:56 Sevryn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 00:30 Curu wrote:
Naw

Thanks for drawing Sevyrn out though.

So Sevyrn, because Palmar was a Townie in a completely different game, you decide to trust him and sheep his vote blindly?

His play was basicly them same in that game so I'm inclined to belive him do you have a better target?

defending his sheeping vote
On August 20 2011 03:06 Sevryn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 02:46 DropBear wrote:
OK wtf Palmar? I actually don't understand. What is your problem with me exactly? Nearly all of your posts are one liners that are some variation of "Kill DropBear".

On August 19 2011 22:35 Palmar wrote:
you guys are fucking lazy and boring.

Why not just bandwagon everything I say? that's a good plan.

Go read DB's first post in PTP2 where he was town. He's like 1000 trillion times more careful and vague in these opening posts than last time.

Here's his PTP2 opening post for comparison: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10466682

He's careful to just give advice that cannot possibly rub anyone the wrong way.

SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM

The "not safe" post you link included a joke about Harry Potter, a complete throwaway vote on kitaman27 and a joke about sandroba's plans. My first post in this thread advocated forcing people to change their vote, how is that so incredibly safe compared PTP2?

I don't actually understand your case, I will talk to you more if you actually come up with something.



On August 19 2011 18:14 supersoft wrote:
On August 19 2011 18:00 Palmar wrote:
how about putting your vote on dropbear?

##Vote DropBear


i just filtered him, and he just posted one policypost and no thoughts about other people.
Why not pressuring him a bit. Can't be bad.

##Vote DropBear

and before anyone jumps on me like:
"wtf he bandwagoned blablabla" - like Curu did in AA; I am NOT one of the players, that bandwagons on anyone random with a bad explanation only to show up the next day like "hey guise sorry what happened, oh you lynched scum - yea well I had stuff to do." I will be there at the end of the day and put my vote on scum.

My posts are 2 pages after the game started. 2 pages. Half the players hadn't even posted yet and most of the ones who did posted nothing other than "/confirm".

How do you expect me to have reads on people before they have even posted, through divination? Time travel?

What's with the random defence of your actions at the end? It's like you know it's a stupid idea, but you're doing it anyway.



Alright since I don't see anything scummy about dropbear at this point I'm going to take my pressure vote off of him. In swedish palmer asked me to put a pressure vote on someone who turned out to be scum. Because pressure votes don't work near as well if you say its a pressure vote I made up a bullshit reason to vote in that gmae like I did this game.

backing out of his vote, calling it pressure, and defending his bullshit by saying it was intentional.


And now he's lurking hardcore. verdict: SCUM

##vote sevryn

+ Show Spoiler +
also his name is fucking impossible to spell


You're wrong and you know that.
Doesn't matter what sevryn flips. It won't provide any information about me. Defending someone with good reasons isn't scummy at all. I have an opinion and I am not afraid to share it.

xtfftc and nard are scummy as hell. Nard keeps apologizing for not doing anything and only summarizes the action without sharing his thoughts. xtfftc on the other hand confuses my "I-know-not-all-of-you-are-scum-so-please-vote-list" with my accuses on him. I admit, I overlooked him when I made that list. However that doesn't mean my accuse on the first place was a mistake.
I didn't revenge-voted him for voting palmar. I don't care who votes palmar. I voted him for his reason to vote Palmar.
xtfftc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2343 Posts
August 20 2011 18:04 GMT
#446
On August 21 2011 02:56 Curu wrote:
wat

I'm asking for your thoughts on Sevyrn. Surely you have some thoughts on Sevyrn just from reading the thread like a good diligent Townie would be doing. I don't want a carefully crafted opinion or analysis, I want to know what you think about Sevyrn right now.

Mafia. The "pressure vote" thingie sounded too much like an attempt to be tough on mafia - and once he realised he screwed up he tried to disappear.

On August 21 2011 02:57 supersoft wrote:xtfftc on the other hand confuses my "I-know-not-all-of-you-are-scum-so-please-vote-list" with my accuses on him. I admit, I overlooked him when I made that list. However that doesn't mean my accuse on the first place was a mistake.
I didn't revenge-voted him for voting palmar. I don't care who votes palmar. I voted him for his reason to vote Palmar.

I never said such a thing - I simply pointed out you were sloppy.
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
August 20 2011 18:07 GMT
#447
On August 21 2011 02:26 Palmar wrote:
chances of sevryn flipping scum: ~0.2%


This is a complete turnaround from your earlier opinion on Sevryn: after all, you're the one who started the bandwagon against him.

Care to explain? I'm getting very sick of all your one-liner aggressive posts - you aren't contributing nearly as much as you think you are.
SUNSFANNED
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
August 20 2011 18:07 GMT
#448
my suspects also didn't vote for sevryn so far. The only person I am suspicious of that voted for sevryn is varp.
I feel like Varpulis wants to sacrifice sevryn to jump on me afterwards. sevryn not showing up is also pretty strange. It's boring to lynch someone who actually doesn't care.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
August 20 2011 18:09 GMT
#449
On August 21 2011 03:07 BrownBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2011 02:26 Palmar wrote:
chances of sevryn flipping scum: ~0.2%


This is a complete turnaround from your earlier opinion on Sevryn: after all, you're the one who started the bandwagon against him.

Care to explain? I'm getting very sick of all your one-liner aggressive posts - you aren't contributing nearly as much as you think you are.


On August 20 2011 01:00 Palmar wrote:
I don't have a problem with killing sevryn

But dropbear is an enemy, he must die.


it's no complete turnaround. What are you talking about. Did you even read the thread?
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
August 20 2011 18:09 GMT
#450
We have just under 8 hours until day ends correct?
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
August 20 2011 18:15 GMT
#451
On August 21 2011 03:09 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2011 03:07 BrownBear wrote:
On August 21 2011 02:26 Palmar wrote:
chances of sevryn flipping scum: ~0.2%


This is a complete turnaround from your earlier opinion on Sevryn: after all, you're the one who started the bandwagon against him.

Care to explain? I'm getting very sick of all your one-liner aggressive posts - you aren't contributing nearly as much as you think you are.


Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 01:00 Palmar wrote:
I don't have a problem with killing sevryn

But dropbear is an enemy, he must die.


it's no complete turnaround. What are you talking about. Did you even read the thread?


Bah, you're right. I read too much into that, my bad. It's actually curu and rayzor who started the lets-kill-sevryn thing.

However, it's still a turnaround from his initial post:

On August 20 2011 01:00 Palmar wrote:
I don't have a problem with killing sevryn

But dropbear is an enemy, he must die.


Where he states Sevryn is an alright lynch. I still want elaboration on that point.
SUNSFANNED
nard
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany124 Posts
August 20 2011 18:18 GMT
#452
anyone care to write up the current vote situation? we need to focus our votes, a no-lynch would be the worst outcome today. I'd do it myself but have only ~40 mins left until i leave the house for today and i prefer eating dinner over re-reading the whole thread

from reading the last few pages the current lynch options which have a chance of reaching 50% seem to be brownbear and sevryn. palmar is still being attacked by some - please stop voting for him because he used a... different tactic to get responses on day1 (i ask you to reduce your tunneling though - it's not a helpful playstyle over a longer period). he is not a good choice for a day 1 lynch.

now, to decide between brownbear and sevryn:
sevryn's case has been made, but sadly this quote is so true:
Yeah his reasons are pretty stupid. Guess what: townies are usually way more stupid than mafia.

he cornered himself in a bad spot early on - i'm looking forward to his next posts after not answering ~5 pages of accusations against him. this can wait until day 2 or 3 though - i want to see more posts of him before a possible lynch.
Palmar's case against brownbear is reasonable, especially the part about diverting his vote to JeeJee out of (nearly) nothing. why JeeJee instead of one of the many other inactives? also brownbear seems to not really get Palmar's intention with his tunneling - it's not about the tunneling ("pressuring", lol) but the responses from the pressured person as well as other responses to the over-the-top tunneling.

i will check the thread after dinner again and put my vote, so far im inclined to vote brownbear - i want to see that voting list beforehand though to make sure we get a lynch today.
nard
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany124 Posts
August 20 2011 18:19 GMT
#453
i started writing that post when we were still on page22 btw 8(
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
August 20 2011 18:19 GMT
#454
On August 21 2011 03:15 BrownBear wrote:
Where he states Sevryn is an alright lynch. I still want elaboration on that point.


The point I made to Curu is the biggest factor, if he is mafia this is a full out day 1 bus.

And then it's just gut-instinct.
Computer says mafia
xtfftc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2343 Posts
August 20 2011 18:24 GMT
#455
By the way, I have to apologise to supersoft - I just noticed that I didn't post in the voting thread, which was probably the reason he put me on his list (although it's still kind of sloppy).

So I'm going to vote after Sevryn defends himself. Palmar, DropBear and BrownBear are a story that has to develop further.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
August 20 2011 18:33 GMT
#456
perfect, xtfftc and nard both refuse to vote for sevryn and say they want to wait until he defends himself. There is no reason not to vote him until he defends himself. Not only does this behavior back up my doubts on your innocence. But it also changes my mind about sevryn.

Since noone is going to follow my vote on xtfftc who is my primetarget I am going to switch on sevryn.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
August 20 2011 18:35 GMT
#457
LOL Sevryn's running out of time. If he doesn't vote/defend himself, he gets modkilled, no?

I suppose he could vote without saying anything, but that spells death sentence to me.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
August 20 2011 18:35 GMT
#458
2 votes left for a majority by the way...
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
August 20 2011 18:37 GMT
#459
On August 21 2011 03:24 xtfftc wrote:
By the way, I have to apologise to supersoft - I just noticed that I didn't post in the voting thread, which was probably the reason he put me on his list (although it's still kind of sloppy).

So I'm going to vote after Sevryn defends himself. Palmar, DropBear and BrownBear are a story that has to develop further.


wtf? why are you afraid of voting now? Is it because others have labeled you as scum already?

I didn't think you seemed that scummy, but with this new post and a couple of others of yours on this page...I'm having second thoughts about you.
QuickSilver7
Profile Joined May 2011
Russian Federation69 Posts
August 20 2011 18:39 GMT
#460
I like the case against BB, it basically contains all my reasons for FOSing him. Also this sevryn lynch is retarded, I'd love if people would read some rea analysis done on actually scummy people. Right now it seems like Sevryn is being lynched for two stupid posts he made in the beginning of the game. These two posts do not make him scum and when I filtered his posts I found that I liked much of the rest of his history. Also I feel like a lot of people are voting sevryn just to kill someone. I'll say it now, a no lynch is better than lynching a townie. If you're not actually sure sevryn is scum then don't vote him (which, from reading the reasons that have been given for voting him, I don't think everyone who's on the wagon is convinced).

People should seriously read over the cases against xtfftc and BB again. Both of those are way scummier than sevryn is.

(sorry this post isn't up to my usual standards hiro, I just wanna put the breaks on this runaway bus before I leave today )
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