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On October 25 2012 06:01 Salazarz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 05:54 iLevitate wrote:On October 25 2012 05:18 Salazarz wrote:On October 25 2012 05:02 MysteryTerran wrote:
Jessica and drama go hand and hand. Ive been saying she's a liar and chear for some time and even got mod warnings for doing so. Too bad she has went this far without the majority realizing. Who knows who she has screwed over the last year. Too bad in this entire thing she was 100% truthful so far, and she is the one who gets slandered and lied about. Too bad people like you still keep spewing bullshit. Do we have any FACT that said she being truthful 100%? Eh, so far every time she said "X is lying, I have evidence", it turned out to be accurate. Maybe 100% is a bit of an exaggeration, but unless you are massively biased and just want to hate on Jessica for the sake of it, there is incredibly little reason to not believe whatever she is saying. She might be a dramaqueen, but she certainly doesn't seem like the lying type, and considering how much her and Boxer invested into the team, how can anyone blame her for being 'overly sensitive', lol. They've given HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS to make Slayers happen, for god's sake. Not talking about sponsorship money that they've received for running the team - their own money from their personal accounts. That alone is pretty much enough to be raging and hating on everyone who had in even the slightest way wronged your team, never mind lied about it afterwards. And it's not like money is the biggest thing they invested into it.
When such a large number of people in her immediate proximity distrust her, there is probably a reason. Though I wouldn't go anywhere near saying I have an irrational hatred of her, let alone even confidently declare I don't like her as a person, I -CAN- say that I would not trust her as she exhibits some of the characteristics of someone unworthy of much trust.
Some of my reasons:
- She`s in the habit of recording phone calls or other information for potential future use in legal cases. While this is respectable and understandable from the perspective of a manager in a cutthroat business, I am wary to believe that esports is much of a cutthroat business. A lot of decent SC2 teams can`t find sponsors and none of them besides EG seem to be ballin` out of control, so I can`t see how going to such lengths to protect your assets (especially from Boxer + Jessica, who would be well off even if the team vanished in smoke, from what I understand) is justified.
- Boxer alluded to her fight-to-the-death nature, and I can compare and relate that to people in my personal life who -refuse- to be wrong. Though It is by no means a guarantee, it can`t be discarded as a possibility that she`s incapable of admitting personal failure (and no, `admitting` that she allowed someone else to fail as her failure isn`t admitting her own failure).
- Whenever drama around her arises, she seems entirely unapproachable, which again is consistent with an attitude of someone who can`t realize their own capacity to be wrong. I don`t think she should be faulted or considered a bad person if this trait is actually the truth, but it DOES mean that I read everything she claims considering the possibility that it is coming from someone who can entirely convince themselves that the truth is a lie, and vice versa. Again, I can relate to this being possible in my personal life.
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Too much drama, can someone TL;DR it for me?
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On October 25 2012 08:22 Swish 41 wrote:
Too much drama, can someone TL;DR it for me?
Razor offered a personal sponsorship for Boxer, and maybe MMA. (Not clear on that?)
Jessica denied them.
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On October 25 2012 06:01 Salazarz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 05:54 iLevitate wrote:On October 25 2012 05:18 Salazarz wrote:On October 25 2012 05:02 MysteryTerran wrote:
Jessica and drama go hand and hand. Ive been saying she's a liar and chear for some time and even got mod warnings for doing so. Too bad she has went this far without the majority realizing. Who knows who she has screwed over the last year. Too bad in this entire thing she was 100% truthful so far, and she is the one who gets slandered and lied about. Too bad people like you still keep spewing bullshit. Do we have any FACT that said she being truthful 100%? Eh, so far every time she said "X is lying, I have evidence", it turned out to be accurate.
It boggles my mind how many people are coming to this conclusion, even though nothing we've heard or read so far indicates it in the slightest. =/
Nobody in this whole mess has so far provided any evidence for anything. Except that Crank raised his voice. -_-
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Is it really disillusioning to anyone else that Boxer and Jessica are part of this dramacraft bullshit now too?
I think we need a gag order on every "community figure" so that somebody can talk about playing sc2 for once
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On October 25 2012 08:26 Monochromatic wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 08:22 Swish 41 wrote:
Too much drama, can someone TL;DR it for me? Razor offered a personal sponsorship for Boxer, and maybe MMA. (Not clear on that?) Jessica denied them.
Uh u missed the part where manager J took over jessica's email, thus making it look like jessica denied it when manager J did that.
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On October 25 2012 08:20 Staboteur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 06:01 Salazarz wrote:On October 25 2012 05:54 iLevitate wrote:On October 25 2012 05:18 Salazarz wrote:On October 25 2012 05:02 MysteryTerran wrote:
Jessica and drama go hand and hand. Ive been saying she's a liar and chear for some time and even got mod warnings for doing so. Too bad she has went this far without the majority realizing. Who knows who she has screwed over the last year. Too bad in this entire thing she was 100% truthful so far, and she is the one who gets slandered and lied about. Too bad people like you still keep spewing bullshit. Do we have any FACT that said she being truthful 100%? Eh, so far every time she said "X is lying, I have evidence", it turned out to be accurate. Maybe 100% is a bit of an exaggeration, but unless you are massively biased and just want to hate on Jessica for the sake of it, there is incredibly little reason to not believe whatever she is saying. She might be a dramaqueen, but she certainly doesn't seem like the lying type, and considering how much her and Boxer invested into the team, how can anyone blame her for being 'overly sensitive', lol. They've given HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS to make Slayers happen, for god's sake. Not talking about sponsorship money that they've received for running the team - their own money from their personal accounts. That alone is pretty much enough to be raging and hating on everyone who had in even the slightest way wronged your team, never mind lied about it afterwards. And it's not like money is the biggest thing they invested into it. When such a large number of people in her immediate proximity distrust her, there is probably a reason. Though I wouldn't go anywhere near saying I have an irrational hatred of her, let alone even confidently declare I don't like her as a person, I -CAN- say that I would not trust her as she exhibits some of the characteristics of someone unworthy of much trust. Some of my reasons: - She`s in the habit of recording phone calls or other information for potential future use in legal cases. While this is respectable and understandable from the perspective of a manager in a cutthroat business, I am wary to believe that esports is much of a cutthroat business. A lot of decent SC2 teams can`t find sponsors and none of them besides EG seem to be ballin` out of control, so I can`t see how going to such lengths to protect your assets (especially from Boxer + Jessica, who would be well off even if the team vanished in smoke, from what I understand) is justified. - Boxer alluded to her fight-to-the-death nature, and I can compare and relate that to people in my personal life who -refuse- to be wrong. Though It is by no means a guarantee, it can`t be discarded as a possibility that she`s incapable of admitting personal failure (and no, `admitting` that she allowed someone else to fail as her failure isn`t admitting her own failure). - Whenever drama around her arises, she seems entirely unapproachable, which again is consistent with an attitude of someone who can`t realize their own capacity to be wrong. I don`t think she should be faulted or considered a bad person if this trait is actually the truth, but it DOES mean that I read everything she claims considering the possibility that it is coming from someone who can entirely convince themselves that the truth is a lie, and vice versa. Again, I can relate to this being possible in my personal life. Wow those are some gigantic unwarranted leaps in logic. You'd make a good presidential candidate, I think...
Anyway, am I the only one that finds it sort of weird that this whole thing has suddenly gone quiet after all the rapid-fire revelations of yesterday? Maybe people are talking behind the scenes... perhaps Mgr. J or someone else lied to all of them...
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I think it'd be a good idea to add what SirScoots said today on LO3 that IPL had some shady run-ins with Manager J also. According to them, Manager J attempted to steal players prize money by giving IPL his bank account information instead of the team/players. IPL ended up sending some, but caught it, reversed it and made sure the cash went to the right person instead. I'd be glad to add the time stamp as soon as the VOD's are out.
Edit: The part is at 49:30 in this VOD: http://www.twitch.tv/onemoregametv/b/336765381
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On October 25 2012 09:02 OpTiKDream wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 08:26 Monochromatic wrote:On October 25 2012 08:22 Swish 41 wrote:
Too much drama, can someone TL;DR it for me? Razor offered a personal sponsorship for Boxer, and maybe MMA. (Not clear on that?) Jessica denied them. Uh u missed the part where manager J took over jessica's email, thus making it look like jessica denied it when manager J did that.
When did this happen?
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On October 25 2012 09:20 bduddy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 08:20 Staboteur wrote:On October 25 2012 06:01 Salazarz wrote:On October 25 2012 05:54 iLevitate wrote:On October 25 2012 05:18 Salazarz wrote:On October 25 2012 05:02 MysteryTerran wrote:
Jessica and drama go hand and hand. Ive been saying she's a liar and chear for some time and even got mod warnings for doing so. Too bad she has went this far without the majority realizing. Who knows who she has screwed over the last year. Too bad in this entire thing she was 100% truthful so far, and she is the one who gets slandered and lied about. Too bad people like you still keep spewing bullshit. Do we have any FACT that said she being truthful 100%? Eh, so far every time she said "X is lying, I have evidence", it turned out to be accurate. Maybe 100% is a bit of an exaggeration, but unless you are massively biased and just want to hate on Jessica for the sake of it, there is incredibly little reason to not believe whatever she is saying. She might be a dramaqueen, but she certainly doesn't seem like the lying type, and considering how much her and Boxer invested into the team, how can anyone blame her for being 'overly sensitive', lol. They've given HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS to make Slayers happen, for god's sake. Not talking about sponsorship money that they've received for running the team - their own money from their personal accounts. That alone is pretty much enough to be raging and hating on everyone who had in even the slightest way wronged your team, never mind lied about it afterwards. And it's not like money is the biggest thing they invested into it. When such a large number of people in her immediate proximity distrust her, there is probably a reason. Though I wouldn't go anywhere near saying I have an irrational hatred of her, let alone even confidently declare I don't like her as a person, I -CAN- say that I would not trust her as she exhibits some of the characteristics of someone unworthy of much trust. Some of my reasons: - She`s in the habit of recording phone calls or other information for potential future use in legal cases. While this is respectable and understandable from the perspective of a manager in a cutthroat business, I am wary to believe that esports is much of a cutthroat business. A lot of decent SC2 teams can`t find sponsors and none of them besides EG seem to be ballin` out of control, so I can`t see how going to such lengths to protect your assets (especially from Boxer + Jessica, who would be well off even if the team vanished in smoke, from what I understand) is justified. - Boxer alluded to her fight-to-the-death nature, and I can compare and relate that to people in my personal life who -refuse- to be wrong. Though It is by no means a guarantee, it can`t be discarded as a possibility that she`s incapable of admitting personal failure (and no, `admitting` that she allowed someone else to fail as her failure isn`t admitting her own failure). - Whenever drama around her arises, she seems entirely unapproachable, which again is consistent with an attitude of someone who can`t realize their own capacity to be wrong. I don`t think she should be faulted or considered a bad person if this trait is actually the truth, but it DOES mean that I read everything she claims considering the possibility that it is coming from someone who can entirely convince themselves that the truth is a lie, and vice versa. Again, I can relate to this being possible in my personal life. Wow those are some gigantic unwarranted leaps in logic. You'd make a good presidential candidate, I think... Anyway, am I the only one that finds it sort of weird that this whole thing has suddenly gone quiet after all the rapid-fire revelations of yesterday? Maybe people are talking behind the scenes... perhaps Mgr. J or someone else lied to all of them...
Being Canadian might make the whole presidential campaign a bit of a hard sell. Good thought though!
Besides, I can only judge someone by what I know of them. I`m aware that I don`t have all the information, but am capable of rendering a personal judgement based on incomplete information -while- acknowledging that I have incomplete information and thereby am very capable of being wrong.
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On October 25 2012 08:26 Monochromatic wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 08:22 Swish 41 wrote:
Too much drama, can someone TL;DR it for me? Razor offered a personal sponsorship for Boxer, and maybe MMA. (Not clear on that?) Jessica denied them.
I already knew that. Thats all out of these 10 pages of text? I thought razor would clear up all this confusion about this personal sponsorship thing that caused MMA to want to leave the team.
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On October 25 2012 09:41 xBillehx wrote:I think it'd be a good idea to add what SirScoots said today on LO3 that IPL had some shady run-ins with Manager J also. According to them, Manager J attempted to steal players prize money by giving IPL his bank account information instead of the team/players. IPL ended up sending some, but caught it, reversed it and made sure the cash went to the right person instead. I'd be glad to add the time stamp as soon as the VOD's are out. Edit: The part is at 49:30 in this VOD: http://www.twitch.tv/onemoregametv/b/336765381
WTF this J guys is a monster. he f***d up slayers all alone. they should at least sue him.
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On October 25 2012 09:41 xBillehx wrote:I think it'd be a good idea to add what SirScoots said today on LO3 that IPL had some shady run-ins with Manager J also. According to them, Manager J attempted to steal players prize money by giving IPL his bank account information instead of the team/players. IPL ended up sending some, but caught it, reversed it and made sure the cash went to the right person instead. I'd be glad to add the time stamp as soon as the VOD's are out. Edit: The part is at 49:30 in this VOD: http://www.twitch.tv/onemoregametv/b/336765381
Wait, are you serious?
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On October 25 2012 10:23 Monochromatic wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 09:02 OpTiKDream wrote:On October 25 2012 08:26 Monochromatic wrote:On October 25 2012 08:22 Swish 41 wrote:
Too much drama, can someone TL;DR it for me? Razor offered a personal sponsorship for Boxer, and maybe MMA. (Not clear on that?) Jessica denied them. Uh u missed the part where manager J took over jessica's email, thus making it look like jessica denied it when manager J did that. When did this happen?
The rejection was sent from Jessica's email account
but mister J had access to it
On October 24 2012 17:23 Proseat wrote:Wouldn't be unbelievable that Manager J had access to Jessica's e-mail account... Show nested quote +Chris Mitchell @MitchellChris @Peter72972598 @xiaopewpew @ProxyDrake The rejection came from her email address, although apparently Manager J had access to it. 11:46 PM - 23 Oct 12 · Details
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On October 25 2012 11:31 Staboteur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 09:20 bduddy wrote:On October 25 2012 08:20 Staboteur wrote:On October 25 2012 06:01 Salazarz wrote:On October 25 2012 05:54 iLevitate wrote:On October 25 2012 05:18 Salazarz wrote:On October 25 2012 05:02 MysteryTerran wrote:
Jessica and drama go hand and hand. Ive been saying she's a liar and chear for some time and even got mod warnings for doing so. Too bad she has went this far without the majority realizing. Who knows who she has screwed over the last year. Too bad in this entire thing she was 100% truthful so far, and she is the one who gets slandered and lied about. Too bad people like you still keep spewing bullshit. Do we have any FACT that said she being truthful 100%? Eh, so far every time she said "X is lying, I have evidence", it turned out to be accurate. Maybe 100% is a bit of an exaggeration, but unless you are massively biased and just want to hate on Jessica for the sake of it, there is incredibly little reason to not believe whatever she is saying. She might be a dramaqueen, but she certainly doesn't seem like the lying type, and considering how much her and Boxer invested into the team, how can anyone blame her for being 'overly sensitive', lol. They've given HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS to make Slayers happen, for god's sake. Not talking about sponsorship money that they've received for running the team - their own money from their personal accounts. That alone is pretty much enough to be raging and hating on everyone who had in even the slightest way wronged your team, never mind lied about it afterwards. And it's not like money is the biggest thing they invested into it. When such a large number of people in her immediate proximity distrust her, there is probably a reason. Though I wouldn't go anywhere near saying I have an irrational hatred of her, let alone even confidently declare I don't like her as a person, I -CAN- say that I would not trust her as she exhibits some of the characteristics of someone unworthy of much trust. Some of my reasons: - She`s in the habit of recording phone calls or other information for potential future use in legal cases. While this is respectable and understandable from the perspective of a manager in a cutthroat business, I am wary to believe that esports is much of a cutthroat business. A lot of decent SC2 teams can`t find sponsors and none of them besides EG seem to be ballin` out of control, so I can`t see how going to such lengths to protect your assets (especially from Boxer + Jessica, who would be well off even if the team vanished in smoke, from what I understand) is justified. - Boxer alluded to her fight-to-the-death nature, and I can compare and relate that to people in my personal life who -refuse- to be wrong. Though It is by no means a guarantee, it can`t be discarded as a possibility that she`s incapable of admitting personal failure (and no, `admitting` that she allowed someone else to fail as her failure isn`t admitting her own failure). - Whenever drama around her arises, she seems entirely unapproachable, which again is consistent with an attitude of someone who can`t realize their own capacity to be wrong. I don`t think she should be faulted or considered a bad person if this trait is actually the truth, but it DOES mean that I read everything she claims considering the possibility that it is coming from someone who can entirely convince themselves that the truth is a lie, and vice versa. Again, I can relate to this being possible in my personal life. Wow those are some gigantic unwarranted leaps in logic. You'd make a good presidential candidate, I think... Anyway, am I the only one that finds it sort of weird that this whole thing has suddenly gone quiet after all the rapid-fire revelations of yesterday? Maybe people are talking behind the scenes... perhaps Mgr. J or someone else lied to all of them... Being Canadian might make the whole presidential campaign a bit of a hard sell. Good thought though! Besides, I can only judge someone by what I know of them. I`m aware that I don`t have all the information, but am capable of rendering a personal judgement based on incomplete information -while- acknowledging that I have incomplete information and thereby am very capable of being wrong.
Acknowledging that you have incomplete information AND am capable of being wrong?
There goes all hope for becoming the first Canadian president.
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On October 25 2012 09:02 OpTiKDream wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 08:26 Monochromatic wrote:On October 25 2012 08:22 Swish 41 wrote:
Too much drama, can someone TL;DR it for me? Razor offered a personal sponsorship for Boxer, and maybe MMA. (Not clear on that?) Jessica denied them. Uh u missed the part where manager J took over jessica's email, thus making it look like jessica denied it when manager J did that.
How would a manager that is there for only 2 months get that kind of access. Jessica is is the type to record everything i would imagine she took care of that information a bit better, that's just careless behavior.
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On October 25 2012 13:05 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 09:02 OpTiKDream wrote:On October 25 2012 08:26 Monochromatic wrote:On October 25 2012 08:22 Swish 41 wrote:
Too much drama, can someone TL;DR it for me? Razor offered a personal sponsorship for Boxer, and maybe MMA. (Not clear on that?) Jessica denied them. Uh u missed the part where manager J took over jessica's email, thus making it look like jessica denied it when manager J did that. How would a manager that is there for only 2 months get that kind of access. Jessica is is the type to record everything i would imagine she took care of that information a bit better, that's just careless behavior.
yeah if J had access to her email, that still means Jessica fucked up.
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On October 25 2012 05:07 iLevitate wrote:
Manager J is Jessica. Calling it now.
What's wrong with you guys? Stop saying that Manager J is Jessica...... We already know who Manager J is... You don't because you haven't followed any of this.. But don't go around confusing more people just trying to catch up.
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On October 25 2012 13:05 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 09:02 OpTiKDream wrote:On October 25 2012 08:26 Monochromatic wrote:On October 25 2012 08:22 Swish 41 wrote:
Too much drama, can someone TL;DR it for me? Razor offered a personal sponsorship for Boxer, and maybe MMA. (Not clear on that?) Jessica denied them. Uh u missed the part where manager J took over jessica's email, thus making it look like jessica denied it when manager J did that. How would a manager that is there for only 2 months get that kind of access. Jessica is is the type to record everything i would imagine she took care of that information a bit better, that's just careless behavior.
It's more likely 'her email' is the account she set up to run Slayers, making it more of a corporate account.
And they already said he was given responsibility over their Twitter and Facebook pages b/c he was fluent in English and German (as well as Korean) so he was technically qualified to handle communication. I didn't see where he had access to her email; but it would make sense.
Of course it turns out he wasn't ethically qualified to do anything... I wonder if that's what got him fired from 'Corporation R' in the first place (which was why he was hanging around Slayers to begin with).
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On October 25 2012 13:21 Wuster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 13:05 Lysanias wrote:On October 25 2012 09:02 OpTiKDream wrote:On October 25 2012 08:26 Monochromatic wrote:On October 25 2012 08:22 Swish 41 wrote:
Too much drama, can someone TL;DR it for me? Razor offered a personal sponsorship for Boxer, and maybe MMA. (Not clear on that?) Jessica denied them. Uh u missed the part where manager J took over jessica's email, thus making it look like jessica denied it when manager J did that. How would a manager that is there for only 2 months get that kind of access. Jessica is is the type to record everything i would imagine she took care of that information a bit better, that's just careless behavior. It's more likely 'her email' is the account she set up to run Slayers, making it more of a corporate account. And they already said he was given responsibility over their Twitter and Facebook pages b/c he was fluent in English and German (as well as Korean) so he was technically qualified to handle communication. I didn't see where he had access to her email; but it would make sense. Of course it turns out he wasn't ethically qualified to do anything... I wonder if that's what got him fired from 'Corporation R' in the first place (which was why he was hanging around Slayers to begin with).
Is this how teams corporate ? Sharing your mail where you deal with sponsors with your team managers ?
To me that sounds not only risky but you basicly show a part of your finances aswell wich is something that in my opinion should be kept private.
I also know his english was qualified etc and he basicly replaced Cella to handle forgeign communications as you said, but how does that justify anything ?
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