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On October 25 2012 17:01 multiversed wrote:
maybe if you defend her enough you will start to matter. it's fine though. good people have to get directly taken advantage of by liars a few times to learn that life lesson. i just can't wait to see how this plays out. i suspect we are lacking many details that could swing the direction of this either way, despite how many koreans blindly love and trust boxer's girlfriend.
blindly
as in ?
You truly think korean fans are just idiots that they trust
jessica no matter what? Guess what, majority of korean
fans disliked jessica because of her involvement in drama with others on twitter
on numerous occasions.
MMA did stupid things as well.
He even signed his contract without even reading it (like wtf? lol).
jessica once called all the contracted players and told them
'if you want to leave, I will get rid of the contract paper so that you can go to another team"
Thats how Ganzi and Taeja left (i think taeja didnt have a contract )
MMA doesnt do it. But a few weeks later, he comes to jessica and asks her if she ripped off his
contract (like what??????? ).
Very professional , yep.
its like "i want to remain at slayers, but i dont want no contract on me"
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On October 25 2012 17:10 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 16:53 mongmong wrote:On October 25 2012 16:50 jmbthirteen wrote:On October 25 2012 16:39 mongmong wrote:On October 25 2012 15:52 Lokian wrote:
Jessica let Manager J into the e-mails and handled sponsorship for corp. R(razor)... a company he was fired from? Does anything make any sense anymore? Seems to me jessica trusted him more than the players trusted him. Hypocrite much?
So, is jessica responsible for this? Is she going to say sorry to mma or something. everyone should just say sorry. if jessica says sorry, everything will end. yeah well you see. In this drama, Jessica's target audience is the korean fans, not the foreign ones. I can tell you without any hesitation that 99.9% of the korean fans are on her side. She also says she is sorry for her mistakes, but I really doubt she will ever apologize to Crank and MMA. Why would she? she won this over and MMA and Crank are both fucked( im talking about tje korean scene) why apologize? because she screwed up MMA getting a personal sponsorship from Razer. J shouldn't have had access to her email or nearly as much power as he did. I dont buy that shit Her english is so good that she could possibly understand the offer and respond? bullshit Maybe you should bring something more solid if you want to bash her. Jessica won this kids ,admit it edit: mere speculation "j didnt have as much power blah blah" you do know that jessica's english aint so good huh? wtf? her english has nothing to do with it. IF J had access to her email, thats a huge fuck up. If she needed an email translated, she could just ask him to translate it. Fact is she gave J WAY too much power. And that is her mistake. And that is the biggest mistake that lead to slayers downfall.
Like MMA didnt make any huge mistakes at all.
trusting J over Jessica was part of his huge mistake, not to even mention that
he even fucked over Coach Ryu won.
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On October 25 2012 17:14 mongmong wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 17:10 jmbthirteen wrote:On October 25 2012 16:53 mongmong wrote:On October 25 2012 16:50 jmbthirteen wrote:On October 25 2012 16:39 mongmong wrote:On October 25 2012 15:52 Lokian wrote:
Jessica let Manager J into the e-mails and handled sponsorship for corp. R(razor)... a company he was fired from? Does anything make any sense anymore? Seems to me jessica trusted him more than the players trusted him. Hypocrite much?
So, is jessica responsible for this? Is she going to say sorry to mma or something. everyone should just say sorry. if jessica says sorry, everything will end. yeah well you see. In this drama, Jessica's target audience is the korean fans, not the foreign ones. I can tell you without any hesitation that 99.9% of the korean fans are on her side. She also says she is sorry for her mistakes, but I really doubt she will ever apologize to Crank and MMA. Why would she? she won this over and MMA and Crank are both fucked( im talking about tje korean scene) why apologize? because she screwed up MMA getting a personal sponsorship from Razer. J shouldn't have had access to her email or nearly as much power as he did. I dont buy that shit Her english is so good that she could possibly understand the offer and respond? bullshit Maybe you should bring something more solid if you want to bash her. Jessica won this kids ,admit it edit: mere speculation "j didnt have as much power blah blah" you do know that jessica's english aint so good huh? wtf? her english has nothing to do with it. IF J had access to her email, thats a huge fuck up. If she needed an email translated, she could just ask him to translate it. Fact is she gave J WAY too much power. And that is her mistake. And that is the biggest mistake that lead to slayers downfall. Like MMA didnt make any huge mistakes at all. trusting J over Jessica was part of his huge mistake, not to even mention that he even fucked over Coach Ryu won.
and neither of those cause a team to disband.
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so what are you asking for? honestly sir, let's not beat around the bush.
what do you want from, not just me, but everyone that you are directing your arguments at?
do you want us to just take your word for everything? because you claim to be from south korea? if this is the case... i kind of do think you are an idiot. sorry.
do you think she needs you to be doing this? do you think anything you say here will have an impact on anything? it's a fact that she is holding out information because she has been doing things like slowly releasing it on twitter. an overt act of manipulation clearly seeking an audience. fact. so jumping on people for following that line of reasoning is pretty idiotic when you don't have all the details either.
people are going to think what they are going to think but the one thing i came away from your post with is that i likely have a better understanding of korean culture than you do. or you are being dishonest. or both.
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On October 25 2012 09:41 xBillehx wrote:I think it'd be a good idea to add what SirScoots said today on LO3 that IPL had some shady run-ins with Manager J also. According to them, Manager J attempted to steal players prize money by giving IPL his bank account information instead of the team/players. IPL ended up sending some, but caught it, reversed it and made sure the cash went to the right person instead. I'd be glad to add the time stamp as soon as the VOD's are out. Edit: The part is at 49:30 in this VOD: http://www.twitch.tv/onemoregametv/b/336765381
Wow. That guy is ballsy. And incredible stupid. Did he not think he'll ever get caught? More importantly, why is this information only coming up NOW? Why not back when it happened after IPL4, back in early April?
I was actually at GOM studio for a couple nights in April. Got a bunch of Slayers players' autographs on the GSL cheerful posters, including Cella's (who personalized it with name and date even lol). Now it's just depressing to look at these posters because all these drama was already brewing in their house when they sign these autographs.
The night MMA played, he seemingly came alone. I didn't see any coach or teammates. That's not to say they weren't waiting for him in the parking lot or backroom area. I just didn't see them at the studio. The next night when Puzzle & Ryung played, Cella accompanied them, along with Coca and Jessica.
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On October 25 2012 17:21 multiversed wrote:
so what are you asking for? honestly sir, let's not beat around the bush.
what do you want from, not just me, but everyone that you are directing your arguments at?
do you want us to just take your word for everything? because you claim to be from south korea? if this is the case... i kind of do think you are an idiot. sorry.
do you think she needs you to be doing this? do you think anything you say here will have an impact on anything? it's a fact that she is holding out information because she has been doing things like slowly releasing it on twitter. an overt act of manipulation clearly seeking an audience. fact. so jumping on people for following that line of reasoning is pretty idiotic when you don't have all the details either.
people are going to think what they are going to think but the one thing i came away from your post with is that i likely have a better understanding of korean culture than you do. or you are being dishonest. or both.
So let me ask you this. should she release all the information she has even though it means even more ruin for all the players involved? so far this has been the pattern
Jessica explained what happened with Slayers -> ESF, MC, MMA, etc. releases their own statements that do not disprove what Jessica said but rather come up with lame excuses/ outright lying for justifying their behavior -> Jessica strikes back at them by releasing evidence, which are by the way, hard facts not some baseless accusations and assumptions like the other side has been doing. just like MC's "apology" if you can even call it that, they all just rationalize their actions and take shots at Jessica at the same time.
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On October 25 2012 17:36 dongmydrum wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 17:21 multiversed wrote:
so what are you asking for? honestly sir, let's not beat around the bush.
what do you want from, not just me, but everyone that you are directing your arguments at?
do you want us to just take your word for everything? because you claim to be from south korea? if this is the case... i kind of do think you are an idiot. sorry.
do you think she needs you to be doing this? do you think anything you say here will have an impact on anything? it's a fact that she is holding out information because she has been doing things like slowly releasing it on twitter. an overt act of manipulation clearly seeking an audience. fact. so jumping on people for following that line of reasoning is pretty idiotic when you don't have all the details either.
people are going to think what they are going to think but the one thing i came away from your post with is that i likely have a better understanding of korean culture than you do. or you are being dishonest. or both. So let me ask you this. should she release all the information she has even though it means even more ruin for all the players involved? so far this has been the pattern Jessica explained what happened with Slayers -> ESF, MC, MMA, etc. releases their own statements that do not disprove what Jessica said but rather come up with lame excuses/ outright lying for justifying their behavior -> Jessica strikes back at them by releasing evidence, which are by the way, hard facts not some baseless accusations and assumptions like the other side has been doing. just like MC's "apology" if you can even call it that, they all just rationalize their actions and take shots at Jessica at the same time.
If you think she withholds that information just to save others ruin and not to spin the story in her way/create more drama/audience that seems pretty naive. Part of the information that trickled out later was essential for the story, e.g. that razer really did want to sponsor MMA. Also, her evidence partly also proves that she is not to be trusted (recording phone calls without announcing it up front, wtf).
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your problem is that you think i have some vested interest in this. what you and i think doesn't matter. i'm simply pointing out a pattern of behavior.
that being said, i am not going to take the word of a "professional" who can't and didn't handle things in a professional manner, and even continues still to behave unprofessionally. you release everything you have or nothing. at this point you are not in a position to cherry pick because it looks incredibly underhanded in that you are at very least attempting to protect your own interests above those of others. it's not for her to decide what should and shouldn't be released.
further more by doing what she is doing, she is seriously burning away her chances at having a smooth case in whatever court she talks about when she throws all those threats of suing around...
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On October 25 2012 17:13 mongmong wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 17:01 multiversed wrote:
maybe if you defend her enough you will start to matter. it's fine though. good people have to get directly taken advantage of by liars a few times to learn that life lesson. i just can't wait to see how this plays out. i suspect we are lacking many details that could swing the direction of this either way, despite how many koreans blindly love and trust boxer's girlfriend. blindly as in ? You truly think korean fans are just idiots that they trust jessica no matter what? Guess what, majority of korean fans disliked jessica because of her involvement in drama with others on twitter on numerous occasions. MMA did stupid things as well. He even signed his contract without even reading it (like wtf? lol). jessica once called all the contracted players and told them 'if you want to leave, I will get rid of the contract paper so that you can go to another team" Thats how Ganzi and Taeja left (i think taeja didnt have a contract ) MMA doesnt do it. But a few weeks later, he comes to jessica and asks her if she ripped off his contract (like what??????? ). Very professional , yep. its like "i want to remain at slayers, but i dont want no contract on me"
You know what's professional? A 40 year old ex manager asking for apologies from MC for trash talking, startle for a legal practice ban and ALL players who left her team. Even those without contracts. And then taping numerous phone calls from non contracted players.
AFTEr YOUR TEAM IMPLODES.
Now that's classy.
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On October 25 2012 16:35 bduddy wrote:Just to clarify, this isn't the first time there's been drama with Manager J. Does anyone else remember this, when the Slayers Twitter and Facebook (which he managed) were declared "non-official"? http://i.imgur.com/X8R75.pngSeems like Jessica was pretty upset about it back then, reading through these tweets...
wow, hot_bid what a troll :D and jessica saying "dont ask why"... lol
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Round 3: Fight!
I wonder when this will all end, lol. Jessica will probably come up with some more pieces of evidence which she didn't want to show before.
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On October 25 2012 17:10 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 16:53 mongmong wrote:On October 25 2012 16:50 jmbthirteen wrote:On October 25 2012 16:39 mongmong wrote:On October 25 2012 15:52 Lokian wrote:
Jessica let Manager J into the e-mails and handled sponsorship for corp. R(razor)... a company he was fired from? Does anything make any sense anymore? Seems to me jessica trusted him more than the players trusted him. Hypocrite much?
So, is jessica responsible for this? Is she going to say sorry to mma or something. everyone should just say sorry. if jessica says sorry, everything will end. yeah well you see. In this drama, Jessica's target audience is the korean fans, not the foreign ones. I can tell you without any hesitation that 99.9% of the korean fans are on her side. She also says she is sorry for her mistakes, but I really doubt she will ever apologize to Crank and MMA. Why would she? she won this over and MMA and Crank are both fucked( im talking about tje korean scene) why apologize? because she screwed up MMA getting a personal sponsorship from Razer. J shouldn't have had access to her email or nearly as much power as he did. I dont buy that shit Her english is so good that she could possibly understand the offer and respond? bullshit Maybe you should bring something more solid if you want to bash her. Jessica won this kids ,admit it edit: mere speculation "j didnt have as much power blah blah" you do know that jessica's english aint so good huh? wtf? her english has nothing to do with it. IF J had access to her email, thats a huge fuck up. If she needed an email translated, she could just ask him to translate it. Fact is she gave J WAY too much power. And that is her mistake. And that is the biggest mistake that lead to slayers downfall.
If that's indeed what she did. She deserves to lose her money. No one's fault but her own. There's no way you trust and give someone that much power in her position, especially someone that manages your less profitable business.
That being said, I don't think she was that stupid, and this is why I think J and Jessica actually have a fighting chance in court against each other. I'm pretty sure this is where she embezzled money out of the team. If she is indeed guiltless in Jessica v J, it would be a settlement, Jessica wouldn't need to build up a case against J. J would be dead meat, instead of running around seemingly completely unharmed.
Now that all the evidence is out, everyone knows that MMA and CranK really did nothing wrong except handle a crazy woman badly. In the ideal country, netiziens would not be allowed to destroy the lives of people over unsubstantiated rumors. J must have some sort of case against Jessica, or he would've fled the country. He could've gone to Germany. He also could've settled if he didn't have any sort of defense and didn't want to leave.
Jessica has to take Manager J to court, and MMA and CranK might be able to clear their names if they are called up to testify against J, or even Jessica if she did indeed embezzle money from Slayers. A suit will be a much bigger event than a SC2 team falling apart.
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On October 25 2012 18:09 boxturtle wrote:
Koreans are notoriously fucking stupid at this "internet opinion" kind of stuff.
Sir, I wish to point out this is your incredibly biased and racist opinion.
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On October 25 2012 18:13 lambac0re wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 18:09 boxturtle wrote:
Koreans are notoriously fucking stupid at this "internet opinion" kind of stuff. Sir, I wish to point out this is your incredibly biased and racist opinion.
I am Korean. I have probably met as many Koreans in my lifetime as some people have white people. If you think it's simply opinion, I'd like you to point out another nation that does shit like the Tablo game.
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On October 25 2012 18:15 boxturtle wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 18:13 lambac0re wrote:On October 25 2012 18:09 boxturtle wrote:
Koreans are notoriously fucking stupid at this "internet opinion" kind of stuff. Sir, I wish to point out this is your incredibly biased and racist opinion. I am Korean. I have probably met as many Koreans in my lifetime as some people have white people. If you think it's simply opinion, I'd like you to point out another nation that does shit like the Tablo game.
I don't care if you're Korean, that doesn't stop your opinion from being biased or racist. Also unless you've been to every country in the world and met every type of people who live there, your statement is still invalid.
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On October 25 2012 18:16 lambac0re wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 18:15 boxturtle wrote:On October 25 2012 18:13 lambac0re wrote:On October 25 2012 18:09 boxturtle wrote:
Koreans are notoriously fucking stupid at this "internet opinion" kind of stuff. Sir, I wish to point out this is your incredibly biased and racist opinion. I am Korean. I have probably met as many Koreans in my lifetime as some people have white people. If you think it's simply opinion, I'd like you to point out another nation that does shit like the Tablo game. I don't care if you're Korean, that doesn't stop your opinion from being biased or racist. Also unless you've been to every country in the world and met every type of people who live there, your statement is still invalid.
I'd think if any other country's netizens tried to destroy someone's life over unsubstantiated rumor, then try to create (read: fake) their own evidence, it'd be all over the news. I would've heard about something ridiculous like that.
What would you rather have me say? What captures the sentiment without being "racist" as you say? I say Korean as in nationality. Asian is a race.
I can say "Angelenos are notoriously fucking bad at driving" and it would be accepted just fine. Shall I say "those that live in Korea are notoriously fucking stupid at this internet opinion stuff?"
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So J lied. That's what I got from the Razer tweet. Nbs.
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On October 25 2012 18:19 boxturtle wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 18:16 lambac0re wrote:On October 25 2012 18:15 boxturtle wrote:On October 25 2012 18:13 lambac0re wrote:On October 25 2012 18:09 boxturtle wrote:
Koreans are notoriously fucking stupid at this "internet opinion" kind of stuff. Sir, I wish to point out this is your incredibly biased and racist opinion. I am Korean. I have probably met as many Koreans in my lifetime as some people have white people. If you think it's simply opinion, I'd like you to point out another nation that does shit like the Tablo game. I don't care if you're Korean, that doesn't stop your opinion from being biased or racist. Also unless you've been to every country in the world and met every type of people who live there, your statement is still invalid. I'd think if any other country's netizens tried to destroy someone's life over unsubstantiated rumor, then try to create (read: fake) their own evidence, it'd be all over the news. I would've heard about something ridiculous like that. What would you rather have me say? What captures the sentiment without being "racist" as you say? I say Korean as in nationality. Asian is a race.
"Korean" is a subrace of "Asians". Just as the "Chinese" are a subrace of "Asians" also.
Your opinion is also still only your opinion. It would've been nice if you could say, "In the ideal country, netiziens would not be allowed to destroy the lives of people over unsubstantiated rumors."
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On October 25 2012 18:23 lambac0re wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 18:19 boxturtle wrote:On October 25 2012 18:16 lambac0re wrote:On October 25 2012 18:15 boxturtle wrote:On October 25 2012 18:13 lambac0re wrote:On October 25 2012 18:09 boxturtle wrote:
Koreans are notoriously fucking stupid at this "internet opinion" kind of stuff. Sir, I wish to point out this is your incredibly biased and racist opinion. I am Korean. I have probably met as many Koreans in my lifetime as some people have white people. If you think it's simply opinion, I'd like you to point out another nation that does shit like the Tablo game. I don't care if you're Korean, that doesn't stop your opinion from being biased or racist. Also unless you've been to every country in the world and met every type of people who live there, your statement is still invalid. I'd think if any other country's netizens tried to destroy someone's life over unsubstantiated rumor, then try to create (read: fake) their own evidence, it'd be all over the news. I would've heard about something ridiculous like that. What would you rather have me say? What captures the sentiment without being "racist" as you say? I say Korean as in nationality. Asian is a race. "Korean" is a subrace of "Asians". Just as the "Chinese" are a subrace of "Asians" also. Your opinion is also still only your opinion. It would've been nice if you could say, "In the ideal country, netiziens would not be allowed to destroy the lives of people over unsubstantiated rumors."
If it offends you so, I will edit my original post with your suggestion. I might say I find it weird that the non-Korean is telling the Korean that this is a statement racist against Koreans.
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