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talismania
United States2364 Posts
On June 18 2012 06:46 Drazerk wrote: Only third party can't win the game while dead Are you implying you're third party and think everyone else is? Then I suppose the third party players should be especially worried. I am not third party. I am town. Point taken though I worded that sloppily - it's more accurate to say that you can't contribute to your win condition when dead. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On June 18 2012 06:50 talismania wrote: Then I suppose the third party players should be especially worried. I am not third party. I am town. Point taken though I worded that sloppily - it's more accurate to say that you can't contribute to your win condition when dead. Also not true see WaW2 for proof  | ||
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KharadBanar
Austria463 Posts
On June 18 2012 06:43 Nisani201 wrote: Some other points to make: If you are the "king" then you should claim that you are, as well as the powers you have. I also don't like the case on Maju I don't think a King claim would be in order right now, at least if he hasn't got some crazy power like being bulletproof. We probably have Assassins in this setup who are just waiting to find out who he is so they can kill him and win. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On June 18 2012 06:44 FourFace wrote: Well how would you have done that anyway.. You wouldn't have known who tried to join in the first place (probably no one, evidently) but how exactly would you have kept the illusion of House Chezinu alive without any sort of palpable change like a mason circle or host confirmation or anything? I'm not saying you weren't scumhunting.. I'm not even saying you're anti-town. I just think you lied to us at least twice, that's all. It was a one-way street: the applicants submitted information but I wouldn't actually have had to do anything with them. I could be free to just post random flavor and talk about how certain people were enemies of House Chezinu and needed to be exterminated. As scum, I would probably have gotten access to certain information, which I could talk about as being from the Knowledge Archives. Would people have eventually caught on? Sure, but it wouldn't really matter if I screwed up the game enough. | ||
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KharadBanar
Austria463 Posts
On June 18 2012 06:52 KharadBanar wrote: I don't think a King claim would be in order right now, at least if he hasn't got some crazy power like being bulletproof. We probably have Assassins in this setup who are just waiting to find out who he is so they can kill him and win. EBWOP If someone other than the King knows what powers the King gets, and feels safe about claiming so (I guess there's people who want to kill the Monarchist Activist too), that would be nice to know; just don't reveal who it actually is so our King doesn't die straight away. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On June 18 2012 06:52 KharadBanar wrote: I don't think a King claim would be in order right now, at least if he hasn't got some crazy power like being bulletproof. We probably have Assassins in this setup who are just waiting to find out who he is so they can kill him and win. How do we know that the king isn't a dictator who wants to murder us all and that the assassins are the good guys? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17958 Posts
On June 18 2012 06:56 KharadBanar wrote: EBWOP If someone other than the King knows what powers the King gets, and feels safe about claiming so (I guess there's people who want to kill the Monarchist Activist too), that would be nice to know; just don't reveal who it actually is so our King doesn't die straight away. My role pm explicitly mentions people who want to harm the MA, so I definitely don't want him to claim. You also brought up a good point: we don't have enough info on how this setup works, so the king not claiming is probably the safer option. At the very least until D2. If the king changes, then the D1 king should claim his role and abilities on D2. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17958 Posts
On June 18 2012 07:02 Drazerk wrote: How do we know that the king isn't a dictator who wants to murder us all and that the assassins are the good guys? I thought about that, but then my role pm doesn't make sense. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On June 18 2012 07:03 Acrofales wrote: I thought about that, but then my role pm doesn't make sense. Na it can still make sense | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On June 18 2012 06:32 Acrofales wrote: I don't know who I want to kill yet. So far I have a whole clump of scummy people and a number of people I think are town. That number is currently stuck at 1 1/2. @Deconduo: how does your setup make sense with people, including myself, having a regular town win condition? @Talismania: I guess you are claiming you did not get hit and have not been made king? I'm not saying thats the setup, and all I know about the monarch stuff is from what has been said in the thread. There's nothing in my role PM that mentions it at all. I was just saying that it sounds similar to that sort of scenario and it has been done before, though I would be very surprised if it wasn't altered or changed. Also I have a regular (destroy anti-town) wincon as well, but that doesn't stop other wincons from taking precedence. For example, look at the end of WAW2 mafia. Especially considering this is Bastard mafia, anything could happen. On June 18 2012 06:42 HiroPro wrote: deconduo, what do you think about KB and MajuGarzett? I think Hiro pointed out that people who allied with Chezinu were probably scum/survivors but I disagree. Wanting to increase your survival chances is a town trait for people who feel they have a good blue role, especially docs/cops. As for the individual people: Maju hasn't posted a whole lot but I see nothing wrong with what he's said so far. His response to Hiro's accusations made sense, and he seems pretty solid so far. He hasn't set of any alarms on my end anyway. KB on the other hand isn't looking so hot. Apart from the initial stuff with House Chezinu, his response to suspicions has been textbook newb scum, apologetic and non-confrontational. Townies tend to be more agressive against accusations because they KNOW they are innocent, whereas scum tend to try and compensate because they feel inherently guilty. SO. I'm back. Yesterday, I basically did a huge derp and didn't think about the consequences of joining House Chezinu. I did this not once, but on three different occasions. I realise this makes me look really scummy, so I'm going to explain again my whole train of thought why I did what I did. I never considered the House to be made up by HiroPro although in hindsight it seems kinda obvious the mods wouldn't have made a faction that hard to balance. Definitely red flags going off here, one to watch out for. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17958 Posts
How did you read my role pm? | ||
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Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
Fact: There is a king. There is a Monarchist Activist Others besides myself know about the MA Some of those others want the MA dead. _______________ I don't know what Acro knows in addition to that. but it would be a great way for him to satisfy my condition number three if he posts it :-) | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17958 Posts
On June 18 2012 07:19 Nisani201 wrote: I think the source of a lot of confusion surrounding the monarch stuff is because talis/acro aren't making good distinctions between what is fact (established in the role pm) and what is speculation. Could you two be more specific? I can't disclose more than I have said already without claiming in full, which is not something I think would be a good idea at this point in the game. I should be ready to claim in full tomorrow. All I know is that there is a monarchist activist, who can make a king. The way my role pm is worded, it seems very likely that the MA can make a king multiple times throughout the game. The way my role pm is worded, it seems unlikely that the MA is scum. However, it is a bastard game, so I might be getting trolled in this. It just seems unlikely. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17958 Posts
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On June 18 2012 00:45 Drazerk wrote: Why did the first bastard game involve Titan, Lost and Star Trek? Not Star Trek, not a Reaver ship from Firefly, it was the Event Horizon from the film with the same name. It´s a great Sci-Fi Horror movie with both Laurence Fishbourne and Sam Neill, you should see it. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
On June 18 2012 06:16 Drazerk wrote: Well I want to kill KB at the moment his filter will be my evidence / case. Also ET but its more of a "I dislike you" type of thing wat I like you ;_; | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On June 18 2012 07:09 deconduo wrote: I think Hiro pointed out that people who allied with Chezinu were probably scum/survivors but I disagree. Wanting to increase your survival chances is a town trait for people who feel they have a good blue role, especially docs/cops. As for the individual people: Maju hasn't posted a whole lot but I see nothing wrong with what he's said so far. His response to Hiro's accusations made sense, and he seems pretty solid so far. He hasn't set of any alarms on my end anyway. KB on the other hand isn't looking so hot. Apart from the initial stuff with House Chezinu, his response to suspicions has been textbook newb scum, apologetic and non-confrontational. Townies tend to be more agressive against accusations because they KNOW they are innocent, whereas scum tend to try and compensate because they feel inherently guilty. Definitely red flags going off here, one to watch out for. Hm, I didn't think of it like that. Nisani may not be a third party/survivor then. Yea, I agree with you that KB looks really defensive. And he didn't really push his hyaach read at all. talismania, do you want to shoot KB for us? | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
Come on people lets see some cases/impressions/info | ||
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Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
xsksc is who I'd like to lynch today. Read his filter, and you'll see that he is sort of unwilling to contribute but is trying to make posts in the thread. In other words, all of his posts are easy to make. His most recent post, commenting on me and KB wanting to ally with the House Chezinu, is once again very diplomatic and is siding towards the general popular opinion on the thread. Putting my vote on him for now. ##Vote: xsksc | ||
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