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On January 21 2010 13:12 Zona wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2010 16:00 Zona wrote:
To be honest I think mayor/sheriff should be people who are active, but also with the emptiest/most unambiguous profiles, so that if any clues are given linking that person to the mafia, hopefully they would be more obvious. Ugh, I'm still thinking along these lines. All the serious candidates so far have multiple pieces of information in their profiles and thus clues relating to them might be harder to figure out (while mine only has a quote). But I really wouldn't know what to do with a triple vote, and I don't consider the incarceration power that strong. I am a little worried that it's possible that meeple/DrH are both mafia, and would be happier if only one of them was elected to either position. I'm wary of t_co, too, though.
Given that DrH and meeples both supported each other so heavily from the beginning of the game this means that if one flips red the other has a strong amount of doubt cast upon them. Likewise, if one flips green then the same amount of doubt ought to be cast upon me. This is great for the town as it allows doubt to be instantly cleared regarding three very active posters.
If I am lynched, then likewise should happen to them.
However, it is extremely difficult to lynch either the sheriff or the mayor (especially if one is mafia--just look at how long randombum survived as Pardoner, the 2nd vote-getter, in another mafia game), and would have to mean that somehow the most active posters all learn to trust one another and are protected through multiple day/night cycles, and somehow the inactives band together long enough to overcome the mayor's three votes plus the 6 other mafia votes.
Hence, it is very very bad for the town if both meeple/DrH get elected. Then there is no way to verify whether they are mafia or not.
In light of the new situation, then, there is a clear way to solve this problem, and it involves lynching one of us three on night one. Me, DrH, or meeples. DrH or meeples are the better candidates for this because once one goes and flips red/green it removes a large portion of doubt regarding the other person's color.
Solution:
If I am elected, I will lynch meeples. Then, if meeples flips green, I want the town to lynch me. If meeples flips red, then lynch DrH and go down the 789 list.
Why the 789 list you might ask? Because those 4 posters were the earliest posters and all supported one another and continued supporting one another (even avoiding each other in clue analyses), and all began posting within 3 hours of one another. This strongly implies prior coordination to some degree and I frankly believe that level of trust is very unlikely unless they are mafia.
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addendum: If you lynch me first and I flip green, then you have to deal with a sheriff and mayor that BOTH might be mafia. But if you vote me in as mayor and DrH as sheriff, then this problem does not arise, and furthermore, by lynching meeples, you instantly know between DrH and I who is the remaining mafia.
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And then either I can counter DrH or DrH can counter me as mayor/sheriff.
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On the flip side, I request this--if meeples and DrH are both elected to mayor/sheriff, I want the town to lynch me as soon as possible to clear up the questions surrounding meeples and DrH. The sooner the blues can start linking up with sheriff or know to avoid him the better.
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I would really like to see you make something concrete of me and meeple "strongly" supporting eachother. I voted for him and that's about it.
If that is your idea of mega strong support then I don't know what to say. Just because we were all active in the beginning doesn't even remotely imply that we had prior coordination, what the fuck. It implies we are in the same time-zone maybe.
I don't have intense trust in meeple, citi.zen, or anyone besides myself. But I can't vote for myself, so I voted for meeple since he was the most active aside from me at the time. I think you are reading way too hard into this, but you seem pretty set on the idea that me and meeple are in some unholy alliance.
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i hope 789 is mafia, and isn't sub-100 IQ
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On January 21 2010 14:04 t_co wrote:
addendum: If you lynch me first and I flip green, then you have to deal with a sheriff and mayor that BOTH might be mafia. But if you vote me in as mayor and DrH as sheriff, then this problem does not arise, and furthermore, by lynching meeples, you instantly know between DrH and I who is the remaining mafia.
No, you won't learn anything.
If I'm lynched and flip red, this doesn't incriminate meeple at all. Meeple hasn't been active at all during all this recent drama and I only voted for him because he was active at the time.
If meeple flips red, he hasn't really said anything to defend me or incriminate you so I think it has less to do with me or citi.zen being possibly red than with the mafia trying to nag mayor.
If you flip red, we don't really learn that much either.
I think all this speculation is pretty groundless, at least Hobbes has some ground in the clues.
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On January 21 2010 14:09 Bill Murray wrote:
i hope 789 is mafia, and isn't sub-100 IQ
I think 789 is just playing terribly, not mafia.
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On January 21 2010 14:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 14:09 Bill Murray wrote:
i hope 789 is mafia, and isn't sub-100 IQ I think 789 is just playing terribly, not mafia.
Hmmm well it's his first game. Then again, this is mine as well.
*Shrug*
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On January 21 2010 12:16 citi.zen wrote:
I think we can't go wrong lynching t_co: if he is guilty, we have many leads to investigate and gain a huge advantage. If he turns out to have been innocent after we killed him, then all those guys are exonerated. So one way or another, lynching him brings some clarity.
First, I'm reluctant to cast a vote against t_co. While he may seem obnoxious and is at the very center of the controversy in the game, he may very well be innocent. The truth? We simply don't know. While I'm not saying he's a good guy... he does have a lot of experience. That means he could be invaluable for us. If he is indeed mafia, it's still early in the game - we can also come back and lynch him if we have more evidence against him.
However, I strongly advise NOT to vote for him in the election. His arguments have a lot of faulty logic, and it seems as if he is desperate to be elected. I think this is making a lot of people suspect him to be mafia. To me, it's more likely that he feels that he himself gives the townies the greatest chance of winning (assuming he really is a green/blue).
I'd like to note that t_co made the following statement:
+ Show Spoiler +In light of the new situation, then, there is a clear way to solve this problem, and it involves lynching one of us three on night one. Me, DrH, or meeples. DrH or meeples are the better candidates for this because once one goes and flips red/green it removes a large portion of doubt regarding the other person's color.
Solution:
If I am elected, I will lynch meeples. Then, if meeples flips green, I want the town to lynch me. If meeples flips red, then lynch DrH and go down the 789 list.
but contradicted that statement with an earlier statement of his own:
+ Show Spoiler +However, it is extremely difficult to lynch either the sheriff or the mayor (especially if one is mafia)
If you are mafia, then you win - as proven by your own logic.
Also, there are a lot of holes in t_co's argument. Again, I think he's trying too hard to get elected.
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On January 21 2010 14:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I would really like to see you make something concrete of me and meeple "strongly" supporting eachother. I voted for him and that's about it.
If that is your idea of mega strong support then I don't know what to say. Just because we were all active in the beginning doesn't even remotely imply that we had prior coordination, what the fuck. It implies we are in the same time-zone maybe.
I don't have intense trust in meeple, citi.zen, or anyone besides myself. But I can't vote for myself, so I voted for meeple since he was the most active aside from me at the time. I think you are reading way too hard into this, but you seem pretty set on the idea that me and meeple are in some unholy alliance.
I think its obvious to the entire town how you and meeples have been back-to-back for a while. Why is his run for mayor given such a free pass, even given his inactivity currently, compared to my run for mayor which seems to run into extreme opposition from you?
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lol what
what do you mean a free pass. I voted for him because he was inactive. I'm not voting for you because your arguments are stupid and you're pointing fingers all over the fucking place.
Voting for meeple does not mean I support him 100% and he is my best friend. I voted for him because he has been objective and had a cool attitude, in opposition to you who has been very aggressive.
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are you really tying to say that THE WHOLE TOWN knows me and meeple are butt-buddies because i voted for him?
lol
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On January 21 2010 14:24 Jugan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 12:16 citi.zen wrote:
I think we can't go wrong lynching t_co: if he is guilty, we have many leads to investigate and gain a huge advantage. If he turns out to have been innocent after we killed him, then all those guys are exonerated. So one way or another, lynching him brings some clarity. First, I'm reluctant to cast a vote against t_co. While he may seem obnoxious and is at the very center of the controversy in the game, he may very well be innocent. The truth? We simply don't know. While I'm not saying he's a good guy... he does have a lot of experience. That means he could be invaluable for us. If he is indeed mafia, it's still early in the game - we can also come back and lynch him if we have more evidence against him. However, I strongly advise NOT to vote for him in the election. His arguments have a lot of faulty logic, and it seems as if he is desperate to be elected. I think this is making a lot of people suspect him to be mafia. To me, it's more likely that he feels that he himself gives the townies the greatest chance of winning (assuming he really is a green/blue). I'd like to note that t_co made the following statement: + Show Spoiler +In light of the new situation, then, there is a clear way to solve this problem, and it involves lynching one of us three on night one. Me, DrH, or meeples. DrH or meeples are the better candidates for this because once one goes and flips red/green it removes a large portion of doubt regarding the other person's color.
Solution:
If I am elected, I will lynch meeples. Then, if meeples flips green, I want the town to lynch me. If meeples flips red, then lynch DrH and go down the 789 list. but contradicted that statement with an earlier statement of his own: + Show Spoiler +However, it is extremely difficult to lynch either the sheriff or the mayor (especially if one is mafia) If you are mafia, then you win - as proven by your own logic. Also, there are a lot of holes in t_co's argument. Again, I think he's trying too hard to get elected.
The night one lynch is decided by the mayor.
If I'm not elected and Doctor Meeples lynches someone else on night one, then lynch me night two.
If I flip green, there is a VERY STRONG CHANCE that between Doctor and Meeples there is a mafia. Then at least it tells the blues in the town to stay the fuck away from Sheriff/Mayor and can be used later as evidence for their lynchings.
If I flip red, then great--go after 789 and my "supporters" (which DoctorH claims to say I have but given this thread no one has given me explicit support).
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On January 21 2010 14:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
lol what
what do you mean a free pass. I voted for him because he was inactive. I'm not voting for you because your arguments are stupid and you're pointing fingers all over the fucking place.
Voting for meeple does not mean I support him 100% and he is my best friend. I voted for him because he has been objective and had a cool attitude, in opposition to you who has been very aggressive.
I agree with the doctor. The best way to push people away is to get aggressive and go after people. I think if you tried to rationalize things instead of pointing fingers and trying to make up logic as you go, you would be more successful in being elected. At first t_co I wanted to vote for you because your original post brought me in - I'm new to this game, and i'm not 100% "here" yet, I'm still figuring things out. You demonstrated experience and knowledge of the game. However, upon further reading, your arguments and accusations and faulty logic pushed me away.
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On January 21 2010 14:32 Jugan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 14:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
lol what
what do you mean a free pass. I voted for him because he was inactive. I'm not voting for you because your arguments are stupid and you're pointing fingers all over the fucking place.
Voting for meeple does not mean I support him 100% and he is my best friend. I voted for him because he has been objective and had a cool attitude, in opposition to you who has been very aggressive. I agree with the doctor. The best way to push people away is to get aggressive and go after people. I think if you tried to rationalize things instead of pointing fingers and trying to make up logic as you go, you would be more successful in being elected. At first t_co I wanted to vote for you because your original post brought me in - I'm new to this game, and i'm not 100% "here" yet, I'm still figuring things out. You demonstrated experience and knowledge of the game. However, upon further reading, your arguments and accusations and faulty logic pushed me away.
Given that logic, the best thing then would be to lynch me if this aggression is detrimental to the town. And I fully agree--because then it would cast a more certain eye toward who the real mafia were.
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There's no way you're getting sheriff t_co. if you do get elected mayor and are mafia, you can easily snipe off a townie and with the mafia hits we could really be in a rut. your accusations of the doctor and meeples are really out there... I've read all their posts and they don't seem that "buddy buddy" to me. All the doctor said is he likes how meeples thinks.
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If you flip green that doesn't really say anything other than you shouldn't act so fucking paranoid and aggressive.
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On January 21 2010 14:34 t_co wrote:
Given that logic, the best thing then would be to lynch me if this aggression is detrimental to the town. And I fully agree--because then it would cast a more certain eye toward who the real mafia were.
You're the one causing the aggression here. If you toned it down, I'm sure we can all work things out. The Doctor isn't on your ass man, but you're flying accusations at him. The more you do it, the more it casts you in a bad light not only to him but to the rest of the town. Just tone it down, get by the first night, and we can work things out. I'm sure there's a lot of emotions riding on your post too. You want to win, i get that. We all do - so just chillax.
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