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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On July 07 2012 10:24 Hapahauli wrote: My case has nothing to do with your misread. Hell, I couldn't give two shits about your misread. My case is based off your scum-slips and anti-town mentality, and there's no shortage of evidence. FOS JingleHell I eagerly anticipate you beating yourself over the head with the WIFOM bat straight into a mislynch. | ||
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TMG26
Portugal2017 Posts
On July 07 2012 10:25 Hapahauli wrote: Also I will be requesting medic protection tonight if that's fine with everyone in town. Given that I created and pushed the case for [b]Hopeless1der[b] throughout Day 1, I'm probably not a popular guy with the Mafia at the moment. Fine by me! Btw: can you ellaborate on Jingle slips? or is it better to wait for the day? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
I'll be posting mine in a couple of hours. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
He is still a strong townie read for me, and the only thing I saw that can resemble a case against him was The_Zen_Man's Case. I've made it clear that I thought it was poorly constructed ([url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349066¤tpage=18#351]click here[/url). | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
By the way, for those of you who voted on LazerMonkey - could anyone provide a good case as to why you think he is mafia? We can gain a lot of information if we can establish suspicion or innocence on his case. He is still a strong townie read for me, and the only thing I saw that can resemble a case against him was The_Zen_Man's Case. I've made it clear that I thought it was poorly constructed (click here). | ||
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Evulrabbitz
Sweden134 Posts
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BassInSpace
Australia165 Posts
On July 07 2012 10:31 JingleHell wrote: It's better to do it at night, since he can't know if we have a medic/roleblocker of some kind. He's already a potential target, and if he ends up dead, he's left behind his cases. We do know there's a medic, it's an open set up. | ||
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Evulrabbitz
Sweden134 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
I bought his defence that he changed his playstyle because he thought playing like NMMXVIII was part of a reason he was dead D1. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Do you still have suspicions of LazerMonkey? Also, do you have any other strong reads? | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
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Release
United States4397 Posts
His first post, which is incredibly deceitful His repeated bringing up of the fact that the sex toys discussion was worse than his first post, and that the sex toys was legitimately bad and scummy behavior. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On July 07 2012 12:38 Release wrote: @hapahauli His first post, which is incredibly deceitful His repeated bringing up of the fact that the sex toys discussion was worse than his first post, and that the sex toys was legitimately bad and scummy behavior. I'd understand calling his first post suspicious, but deceitful is quite the stretch. The post is summary/introduction/fluff, but no part of his post creates deceit. Your argument seems circular - you assume he is mafia, and therefore his post is deceitful. As for the sex toy thing, day one banter means next to nothing unless you can identify a mafia motive behind it. For example, no one suspected Hopeless1der until it was past the initial posting stage. Also, LazerMonkey mentions sex toys twice in all his posts. He only uses it once in a serious context - an early D1 (and therefore meaningless) accusation against JingleHell. On July 07 2012 12:40 Release wrote: 'a 1 hour beginning of D1 tangent which proved that some poeple were online and could be called out for scumminess later in the game if their only post is sexy = scummy' to my mind is just grasping at straws, and a little bit of deceit as well. Grasping at straws =/= scummy, especially with Day 1 behavior. My original case against JingleHell was the very definition of "grasping at straws," yet clearly I'm not on your suspicion list. (Note: my case against JingleHell NOW is much much stronger, more incoming tonight). | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On July 07 2012 12:50 JieXian wrote: Oh ya and if anyone wants to check Lazer, don't because there's a high chance he's godfather if he's mafia Its interesting to bring up that the Detective is not a very useful role now. Even if a player shows up red, there's still a 50% chance he's townie (miller). As for checking lazer, don't. We have a lot of posts on lazer, and it would be much more useful for the tracker and detective to use their night actions on people with a lower post count. | ||
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BassInSpace
Australia165 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On July 06 2012 05:48 Mackin wrote: Hey guys, I've only caught up on what I've missed, but I want to provide some defense for myself from some FoS I've been getting. I feel it's a little unfair, but I'll explain myself each time someone has called me out. Ok, so yeah dropped off but not exactly available 24/7 so it's not really that strange - just different time zones / bed times is all. I agree I haven't contributed too much, but call me out on anything I say and I'll justify it. Ok Lazer, I'm ready to contribute - I'll be pretty active for a good while if I have anything to add  As I said before, don't jump to point the FoS on me just because I have different sleeping times than others. I see the post isn't exactly contradictory now but it still is worded badly, and I think I was one of two who misinterpreted what he was saying about roleclaiming. // I would agree with you on that point except for the fact that if you read the thread you would realise I wasn't the only one trying to get people talking by saying stuff about their names. If anything I've been pro-town by trying to get people to post which I think worked in some small part, because now it's clearer to see people's stance on each other since they have actually been posting. More posts in thread = more informed decisions - absolutely true in Mafia. Also for Hapahauli, you're using words like "huge red flag" and "very anti town" when my motive was simply to get the ball rolling in this game. I feel this is very harsh for how little I've posted, but hopefully I'll have something to add when I re-read everyone's posts. Back to JieXian: Focus on me all you want, I have nothing but valid reasons for posting what I have so far, call me out if you want an explanation. Hmm, I know you say I haven't posted anything of worth, but I disagree. As I have stated above, that in my eyes, it's not so much as the content I had posted but the post itself to get people talking is the main reason for my post. Anyway, the way I see it, I haven't exactly "bandwagoned" I just agree putting pressure on players earlier on as it helps to get them talking. Anyway, I'm gonna look into everyone's post again and post my thoughts on some of the other players... Inflates the contributions he's made to the thread. At that point, he hadn't promoted any discussion, all he did was make a few people talk about how scummy he is. Next: + Show Spoiler + On July 06 2012 07:15 Mackin wrote: I'm not exactly sure of what to think yet. Nobody has clearly made any big bold statements but whoever the Mafia are, they sure are trying their best to confuse the shit out of me. I can see why people say Mafia is more rewarding the more time you spend looking at it, it is really difficult to make an informed decision when half of the people are lying to you Release seems like he's on the town's side, as does Hapa, Zen and JieXian, who mostly has the same motive to get people talking as me. Many people have already given credible reasons for suspicion of others, including suspicion aimed at myself but I can see pretty much everyone isn't doing too bad at acting townie. False, at that point release and lazer were already starting to go at each other (although maybe this doesn't fit his definition of bold, so it's arguable), but Hapa was already attacking Hopeless, and had even dropped his vote on him already. He's being non-committal. He also gives the excuse that he is confused by everyone, possibly as a cover for his infrequent and generally content light posting, although I admit this may be digging a little too hard. And then we have this post: + Show Spoiler + On July 06 2012 08:42 Mackin wrote: @Hapa: Your case on Hopeless1der: I don't know what to think here. It's like Hopeless is really trying to build a case against you, he builds up quite alot in the first post and when you make your stance clear in your response, his response is to back down immediately. Maybe he just wanted to question you and test the water a bit? I don't think he's trying to genuinely full on attack and point the FoS here. I don't know why he starts going on about Release, if I was thinking more suspiciously of him, he maybe just wanted the conversation to change quickly and forget about building a case on you. Case vs. TMG26: Unless his English is really bad, I can see some basis for thinking he isn't exactly on townie side. He may be trying to be really diplomatic for the purposes of going through to the next day, but then again mafia will try to act diplomatic while pushing accusations at the same time like he did in that first quoted post. It's hard to know whats going on in that first post, because his English really isn't great so I'm undecided. I think the indecision may be out of fear of being lynched on day1 townie, but it's hard to know whether the indecision is because he isn't sure and doesn't want to accuse someone innocent or because he has a reason to be indecisive... I don't understand what he's trying to achieve. It does seem odd/slightly scummy but still undecided. Bass said: I don't quite understand. So you think that hopeless and jingle are mafia because hopeless defended jingle, but jingle and harry are actually your prime suspects? I'd just like this point clarified. All in all, TMG is my strongest read so far. I think that's a good point actually. why would harry be one of TMG's prime suspects if hopeless had defended jingle (if he is assuming jingle to be scummy?) Onto the case against Release: I think TMG's case against Release isn't so strong - anyone putting out an early FoS isn't that serious in D1 early stages as it keeps the discussion going and there is no strong points in the post you (hapa) have linked, whereas Evul brings up a better worded, but still annoyingly confusing case against him. I can see why he calls out certain things Release has said, but nothing said actually sounds too scummy to me, but I know I could easily be missing something. Anyway, I'm getting really tired, damn GMT time so I might have to goto bed soon Again, claiming that he doesn't know what to think/is confused, thereby not taking a stance on either hopeless or TMG. And then, out of nowhere, this: [B]On July 07 2012 04:04 Mackin wrote: ##Vote YourHarry No explanation before or after. Not even a post. At that point it was 3 votes a piece for Hopeless and Lazer. I'm thinking this is a throwaway vote on someone who is highly unlikely to be lynched; again, being very non-committal. | ||
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BassInSpace
Australia165 Posts
"Inflates the contributions he's made to the thread. At that point, he hadn't promoted any discussion, all he did was make a few people talk about how scummy he is" Poor choice of words, should be "Inflates the contributions he's made to the thread. At that point, he hadn't promoted any discussion, all he did was make a few people talk about how suspicious he is" The above post is what I noticed on my read through when I spotted that vote on YourHarry, I will be taking more time to look at what's happening with Lazer and Jingle before posting my thoughts, as it's quite a bit to digest. | ||
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