EPTOn that note: you haven't yet said anything of Sinensis.
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On that note: you haven't yet said anything of Sinensis. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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slOosh
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slOosh
3291 Posts
In any case I still got that gut feel (and its stronger than before) on Sinensis. And what I said to prplhz can be said of you too marv. You haven't yet said anything (meaningful) of Sinensis. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
you have nothing to say about that?? | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
purple haze finally appeared into this game. He had a mediocre first 24 hours, and put no effort into trying to deviate the attention away from him during the first 24 hours. Today, he comes back and writes the huge text as well as claims cop. If there is one thing I learned through the course of my games, is that you don't lynch a claimed blue day 1. ##unvote Now, prplhz just did what a town player is supposed to do in his situation: scumhunt. I have to say prplhz does not look as scummy from his last few posts The problem with reading VE right now is that you can't really read him on meta since he just came out of a game where everyone yelled "YOU SUCK" at him. Point of fact is: VE hasn't been contributing anything new. In fact, there is a big issue on his play when he calls Bluelightz for the "kenpachi rule". I like a Bz lynch as much as I like any at this point. Then, on his very next post after marv: However, Bluelightz is trying to attribute scumminess to the claim as if it were automatically true and as if he were giving scum information. But the fact of the matter is that his claim is a completely null tell because it's what anyone in the GAME would claim. The claim itself is NOT scummy. Bluelightz trying to cast suspicion on NSH is scummy. Which is it?! If Bluelightz casting the suspicion is scummy, then why does VE prefer his lynch as much as any other lynch at that point(when no other lynches were formed)? On July 06 2012 22:09 VisceraEyes wrote: Not if it leads us to our first scum! Bluelightz, EXPLAIN YOUR REACTION! And from "I like a bz lynch as much as any" to "scummy" and now Bluelightz is the first scum? (every quote can be found on his filter, I just took simplified passages) VE ain't looking good. I want more people's opinion on this. | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
So, right now because of that, I think that drwiggl3s might be scum, reasons in the case below: First, he contradicts himself: On July 07 2012 08:48 drwiggl3s wrote: I don't think dangeresque is being weird. I think slOosh gave good reason after his initial post and "ninja vote". I am suspicious of sinensis. MsZontar's actions don't seem out of the ordinary to me. I'd attack you to if I didn't just get out of a game with you where you were playing just like this (but were town). And yes I also think prplhz behavior is scummy. Is any of this enough for a lynch? yes. Is any of it good enough for a sure fire mafia lynch? no. So i want others to talk. He think's slOosh gave good reason, or did he? On July 07 2012 06:46 drwiggl3s wrote: Not to take any heat off prplhz - I still think he should post something useful. But I think a better scum read would be slOosh. Here's my case against him: His first post isn't actually very suspicious to me. People troll, random vote, etc. all the time. but what follows is what makes me think it was a plan put in place to make him seem pro-town. (rather then an actual desire to lynch me). His follow up posts show great reasoning, and a desire to poke people who are new and or lurking to get a reaction from them. Sure this looks like a great town post, but isn't it too great? Like he starts a mini flare up in posting where everyone's wondering why I have a vote already despite not having posted. And then after a short time he comes back with a flawless reason, thus allowing him to appear pro-town while giving him the opportunity to sit back and not have to post any more. To me at least this seems like the most suspicious action in the thread. Also, in the post where drwiggl3s contradict's himself, he thinks that there is not enough substance to make a fucking (strong) case on someone and doesn't want to do it himself, this is the same as trying to avoid the pressure when prplhz is mislynched (if he is town though). On July 07 2012 08:52 drwiggl3s wrote: Is any of this enough for a lynch? yes. Is any of it good enough for a sure fire mafia lynch? no. So i want others to talk. I don't want to throw blame around on behalf of weak cases when I'm actually waiting to see more. I was just stating my opinions so far on what's happened D1. Why is he waiting to see more? I see no point in 'waiting' for cases while you can just make one yourself. Then he post's some useless post's that don't help anything. + Show Spoiler + On July 07 2012 08:53 drwiggl3s wrote: Ya there was a reason mafia killed me too remember? On July 07 2012 08:54 drwiggl3s wrote: Well then that tells me two things. 1 your a shitty vig. And 2 you have weak reads if the best you can do at night is shoot another town. On July 07 2012 08:55 drwiggl3s wrote: I guess we'll see when that game ends and we see who's scum and who's not right? On July 07 2012 09:07 drwiggl3s wrote: Your first post after townie is lynched. Anyway, just saying you might benefit the town more by saying less and being a little more resistant when it comes to jumping on someone for supposedly scummy actions. Then, he says "theres only enough to make a weak case! there's no way it can't be a strong case!", I think this is stupid because a case is a case, and if the case has a valid reason than is it weak or strong? On July 07 2012 08:55 drwiggl3s wrote: Blue i am saying there's not enough to make a strong case. there's enough to make a weak case, and it's already been made throughout the thread on those players. He doesn't provide reasons/ help making a 'strong' case but just waits to sheep people who care to make a case. So, ##Vote: drwiggl3s | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
What I don't like is how he pushed on Zephirdd. I don't like the case much anyway, but he then goes on to openly admit he's pretty much going to tunnel Zeph ("once i made up my mind, it takes a lot for me to change it" or what have you). Zephirdd makes a natural response of "why even try to rebutt then", but then like pretty much any sensible person, makes an effort to do so anyway. Sinensis then goes "you said you weren't even going to try!" - and actually takes Zephirdd making an effort in his own defence as scummy. I'm trying to work out what Sinensis is trying to achieve with this. What's the townie motivation? To push a lynch on his best scumread (Zeph) by what, dismissing him and being Mr Sarcastic? By telling him he's not going to change his mind, basically without giving him recourse for defence? Who has he even persuaded on to the lynch... nobody, the way he's 'pushing' Zeph has only served to turn people OFF the idea of voting for Zephirdd. Scum motivation? To look like you're scumhunting. Easy. ##Vote: Sinensis | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
I'm been trying to figure out how to built a case on tonality / whatever it is I'm using. So I'll just bullet point things to keep in mind when reading thread / filter. - His hardline defense of prplhz. HARD. On July 07 2012 12:42 Sinensis wrote: Prplhz shouldn't be lynched today. No way in hell. He's gotten too much negative attention from too many people, it seems likely to me mafia is pushing for the easy lynch against an aggressive player. And why wouldn't they? prplhz isn't playing as good or as friendly as he could be. This is the last time I defend him against the rest of the angry mob unless he stops with the "LOL SCUM LOL." In an atmosphere where most of the vocal townies were expressing a desire to lynch prplhz, he hardline defends him. During this he calls us an "angry mob" and also hedges a backout option. Yet he admits that prplhz really isn't worth defending according to his current game play. There is a contradiction in word and action. He wants to be seen opposing the prplhz lynch yet he deems prplhz worth lynching up to that point. - His general tone of condescension and misinterpretation On July 07 2012 13:01 Sinensis wrote: These people saying I'm too mechanical... what? You want me to post hilarious one liners and memes like others? Maybe someone could host a mafia pictionary edition where no one can post more than one image and one line of text at a time. We could call it 4chan mafia. Maybe I should use less capitalization and punctuation to help fit in. I understand being criticized for lurking, but being "too mechanical?" For my posts being well thought out, really? There are actually people bashing me for that? He is acting out really defensively but does so in a condescending anti-town manner. No one was bashing him, no one was critiquing him because his posts were well thought out. He is slinging mud around. - He spends his energies on meaningless things to feign activity Note the Zephirdd exchange: against a player he thinks is scummy he seems to think that changing his mind is a good action to pursue. Note his exchange with me, where he accuses me of ??? I address it here. He is conjuring up suspicions and flailing when pushed to explain them. Doesn't actually use these things for scumhunting. For Zephirdd, he called him scummy before the exchange, and with me, he ignores everything said and done to address prplhz. I think this is a solid D1 lynch. ##Vote Sinensis (for emphasis, my vote was already on him) | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Better posting is better. My unvote has nothing to do with your claim. That you suspect me is asinine. Your case is literally "He suspects me. I don't think as town he would suspect me." When you come in with a more substantial case, I'll provide a more substantial defense. ##Vote: Sinensis By far the best case in the thread right now. I agree with most of slOosh's points, though I feel he's unfairly calling his responses "overly defensive" when his is the only decent case in the thread. slOosh, what do you think about Zeph? | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On that note 3 people are on the table for a nice vig lurker shot. I highly recommend that they step it up. | ||
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Dangeresque77
United States65 Posts
##Vote: Sinensis Like Ve said this is by far the best case at the moment He contradicts himself. He's overly defensive and he doesn't have any meaningful cases. Basically he only seems to cause havoc | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
VE, thoughts on dangeresque and bluelightz? | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
I feel so pro. | ||
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slOosh
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Dangeresque77
United States65 Posts
I could defenantly see prplhz being mafia. I'd like to see him post some more before I commit though Hers had quite a bit of pressure on him sense day one and his only response to the attacks was " I don't know how you want me to defend myself". He claims that he's had like 100 games. Seems like someone with that much experience should have a better answere He's defenantly on my mafia watch list | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
He blatantly ignored everything I said, and just say "I won't change my opinion ever". Like, for a town player to say that, it's terrible because it means he is not willing to play alongside others, instead he wants to play his own game with his own intentions. For a scum player to say that, it reduces the possibility of being called for flip-flopping through reads. In fact, on my very first scum game, Greymist and Cyber_Cheese told me that the best thing to do is to focus on a read and stick with it. Secondly, it took him 39 minutes(according to timestamps) to read 10 pages and determine that I am scum. I'm sorry, but 10 pages, + analysis, + making a post IS NOT made in 39 minutes. When he said "gimme 40 minutes", I thought he'd come back with a general feel of the thread and post analysis after. Instead, he goes against one of the most vocal player in the game. What is giving me problem with a Sinensis lynch is that I doubt a scum would go as far as casting a vote into one of the most vocal players, co-leader of the primary lynch target. However, this play would make A LOT of sense for a scum if he expected prplhz to be lynched regardless of the last 24 hours, if you assume prplhz is town. From my head, there are more arguments against Sinensis than in favor. ##Vote Sinensis On the VE subject, I meant what I said. However there is a reason why I didn't vote VE yet: I don't think that those arguments alone make him scum. Right now he is completely null to me, considering everything. | ||
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
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VisceraEyes
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