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Ok guys, here is my lynch candidate for the day.
Mocsta
Here is his filter in B2B. (I suggest reading up to page 4 or 5 to get a general jist of how he hunts for scum as town)
Notice on pages 3 and 4 how he initiates discussion about EVERY player that he thinks is scummy or worth mentioning, now, once you have read that I want you to reread everything that has happened in his filter in this game, Mocsta's filter.
I specifically want to draw your attention to his attitude in this game, specifically all the aura of not giving a crap what happens. Look at this for example:
On January 10 2014 19:33 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2014 19:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You can still talk about WoS and Scraptanis no? Yeah I could, but there is no point having active fronts open with 3/4 of the game. FYI, I have already engaged in dialogue with WoS/GigglyTummy and am waiting a response. /BBL
There is a COMPLETE change in his attitude between this game and that. Why does he refuse to participate in discussion?
Another scum tell is posting for the sake of posting which I brought up before:
On January 10 2014 19:22 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2014 12:56 Derrida wrote:
I am town you noobs, unvote me. Currently 5 am here just woke up because my cat is horny and meowing her ass off, do not, I repeat do not lynch me and I will try to provide some good reads intfhe morning. Official Callout. The morning has passed and I'm still waiting for this to come to fruition.
We already know that he is suspicious of Derrida because of his vote on him and intent to lynch based on being the L-1 vote. Yet, what does this post achieve? Absolutely nothing. Derrida isn't going to feel threatened by it, it doesn't attempt to solve the game and it doesn't add anything to anyones capacity to read himself. So why do it? It's an attempt to appear to post while actually not caring about the game. Typical attitude of rolling scum when you don't want to.
To the people that may not know mocsta well, we play voice mafia an awful lot on the TL teamspeak and so I know how frustrated he gets when he is town and people pile onto a person without discussion and end up quick voting off people in an instant majority lynch. Yet, here we are in this game and he votes a person with 8 posts in his filter with the intent to lynch him by being the L-1 voter. That is extremely dangerous and I know he knows better than to do that without more information as town.
##Vote Mocsta
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On January 11 2014 10:04 Giggletummy wrote:
Apart from newbie ... 49 or whatever that one is, do you have any other recent/recent-ish games?
Disregard this q, there aren't any others.
HF, reading your stuff and then will comment in a sec.
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Mocsta has played enough town games that I'd like to look through more than just the one, but noted. Second point I don't care about, because following up on a suspicion or pointing out broken promises often a townie thing to do, shows he's staying with his read, knows what Derrida has been saying, and is trying to get more out of Derrida. Voice mafia stuff or IML stuff I can't comment on.
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I gotta go to sleep soon and have no time to read the rest of the posts until morning.
Don't hammer anyone.
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On January 11 2014 10:44 Giggletummy wrote:
Mocsta has played enough town games that I'd like to look through more than just the one, but noted. Second point I don't care about, because following up on a suspicion or pointing out broken promises often a townie thing to do, shows he's staying with his read, knows what Derrida has been saying, and is trying to get more out of Derrida. Voice mafia stuff or IML stuff I can't comment on.
So your conclusion....?
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Been playing LoL.
and I been clear I don't have high motivations to play over the weekend regardless.
HF case, if you can call it one, is terrible.
His case apparently is founded upon meta -- but takes into account zero scum games, nor a variety of town games.
It is far from a meta case.
The rest of the case has been dispelled by Giggletummy in 1 line. I see no need to reiterate this.
Regarding the L-1.
2 points
#1 I was working off Corazon vote count, which did not specify Derrida was @ 2 votes already.
#2 Someone has to L-1 eventually regardless. Why is that even scummy? My accusation was clearly outlined; hence, I am walking what I am talking.
Frankly, I expect more from Holyflare in general.
Do I think this case makes HF scum? Yes, I'm starting to lean that way.
When I think about the context of this; HF ahs given "confirmed town" status to a specific player with only 5-6 posts and is now using that as a medium to launch into players that disagree.
#1 If town, its absolutely stupid to have that type of conviction on a read so early on
#2 If scum, its a convenient method to appear as interested in the game.
Regarding Derrida: I will follow up later on when I can be bothered.
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On January 11 2014 12:02 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2014 10:44 Giggletummy wrote:
Mocsta has played enough town games that I'd like to look through more than just the one, but noted. Second point I don't care about, because following up on a suspicion or pointing out broken promises often a townie thing to do, shows he's staying with his read, knows what Derrida has been saying, and is trying to get more out of Derrida. Voice mafia stuff or IML stuff I can't comment on. So your conclusion....? Mocsta made a couple posts when I commented on derrida being x-1, not knowing that derrida was x-1. Either he was pulling our legs and is, indeed, a very naughty Mocsta, or he really didn't know where voting stood. Scum should be following voting? So should town! But his multiple posts on the vote count look townie.
He is not my comrade, but if he were my comrade, I would think "that is my comrade." Perhaps if we were on a boat, it would be more clear? All is clear when on a boat. Yes. Yes yes.
His town games are much more involved, this is true. His scum games are also more involved. Also, some of his posts in this Newbie make me giggle.
The vote count stuff is meh. Him not posting much is meh because it doesn't fit either alignment of mocsta from what I've read. Him following up on Derrida looks town to me.
I'd much prefer to vote rayn >_>
He's quiet for a rayn. He's unopinionated for a rayn. Reads derrida's other game, scum game, and finds different mindset. Calls GG mafia, doesn't ever bother to give GG the same treatment (GG has one past game, was mafia). Then calls GG town because GG wouldn't be tunneled in on derrida as mafia, but doesn't give mocsta the same treatment (mocsta's filter, to me, reads relatively tunneled in on derrida, despite whatever anyone else posts). I find his filter very fluffy, but don't remember rayn being a fluff guy. Then he spends a bunch of time 8-9 hours ago farting around with me, but mostly just farting. He's commenting on my stuff, but not really doing anything else (check his last page of filter, lots of banter with me but it's just banter, he's never calling me scum, or looking at anyone else's posts really, he's just in the thread and chatting but never moving anywhere).
He treats (derrida/gg) and (gg/mocsta) inconsistently, imo. He posts a lot of useless troll/fluff posts, and then recently just posts a bunch of rudderless stuff. His read/vote on GG is lacking, as I already pointed out it's just two minor points repeated, then he jumps to two of (mocsta/artanis/myself), while, imo, not bothering to try and read artanis's posts and bantering with me but never really developing anything more solid.
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@HF
While you say rayn was "doing the most" in the game 10 hours ago or something, and most of his filter isn't spam, I disagree on those things. The entirety of page 1 of his filter is fluff. All the pretty stuff is fluff. That's a good half his filter.
And while you say he's eliminating town reads and finding scum reads, he's really just saying these people might be scum. He votes mocsta, then artanis, then banters with me and left the thread for a while after basically indicating I was doing something scummy. But rayn is a posty and a pushy dude. He's not posting or pushing any of those three. He's just sitting back with a list and he's content with that. From what I have read and been told, rayn is normally spammy and would be making cases on all 3 people in his list, plus a stray cat he found (definitely mafia), and maybe 1-2 of his town reads, just because. Is this not the case?
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Oh for tomorrow, Mocsta just majorly scumslipped.
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Why not tonight? You, HF, mocsta probably have a scum or two in there, keep on fighting and let's pick out the scum!
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Vote Count
Mocsta (1) - Artanis[Xp], raynpelikoneet, Holyflare
Derrida (1) - Mocsta, Artanis[Xp], GGTeMpLaR, Mocsta, Artanis[Xp]
GGTeMpLaR (0) raynpelikoneet
HolyFlare (0) Derrida
raynpelikoneet (1) Artanis[Xp]
Artanis[Xp] (1) raynpelikoneet
Giggletummy (1) GGTeMpLaR
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
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1-1-0-0-1-1-1 what does it mean?
It is lopsided!
Alakaslam, this cannot be! I shall even the vote count for you!
1-1-1-0-1-1-1 is a much nicer looking vote count.
##vote: GGTeMpLaR
That should be sufficient. My mind is currently on rayn, but I don't like to break the symmetry. Interested in all these future promises from mocsta and rayn.
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You don't get to tell me when i do post and when i don't because you failed to answer my pretty clear post where i wanted your read on Artanis and Mocsta. Also if you think i am scum you are bad or scum, so that's another reason why you don't get to tell me what to do.
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On January 11 2014 12:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You don't get to tell me when i do post and when i don't because you failed to answer my pretty clear post where i wanted your read on Artanis and Mocsta. Also if you think i am scum you are bad or scum, so that's another reason why you don't get to tell me what to do. Confucious say, "He who lynches artanis D1 is high on pot." Or something to that effect. I generally follow a method to Artanis's doggie madness, and that's enough to put him mildly townie for me right now.
Currently pro-mocsta and anti-you/HF, but there's so little to go on that I'd rather you guys just get in the ring and duke it out.
Are you glad that you are not a wrestler? Or, should I say, are you a wrestler? Maybe if you are I have offended you. Maybe I am an offender. Whether you wrestle or not, I am glad we are not rustlers. A rustler must sometimes go into town for a dance, a square dance, and I know not who would lead and who would follow. No. Our rustler dancing would end in sore feet and sore feelings.
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"Here is where I think holyflare is scum but I won't vote him because really I'm scum and can't really make it look plausible." I know mocsta's meta, it's slightly more tunneled as scum (I was on a scum team with him so I can easily extrapolate his mindset from the game) whereas town mocsta has lack of information because of course he is town and so he is fishing for information, trying to get more reads and developing reads over the game.
This attitude of straight out accusing people without developing reads and not giving a shit about what anyone says is indicative of scum mocsta. Just because his attitude is different from both his town and scum games does not mean that his actions are NOT scummy.
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"Here is where I think holyflare is scum but I won't vote him because really I'm scum and can't really make it look plausible." I know mocsta's meta, it's slightly more tunneled as scum (I was on a scum team with him so I can easily extrapolate his mindset from the game) whereas town mocsta has lack of information because of course he is town and so he is fishing for information, trying to get more reads and developing reads over the game.
This attitude of straight out accusing people without developing reads and not giving a shit about what anyone says is indicative of scum mocsta. Just because his attitude is different from both his town and scum games does not mean that his actions are NOT scummy.
In fact, now that I think about it, his attitude is very VERY like mine was in B2B.
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Your case/vote was B2B comparison + followup on derrida + voice mafia/IML comments.
I can't prove or disprove the voice mafia/IML comments, but it would be curious for you to lie about that. I disagree with your characterization of following up with derrida saying he'd do something. So I'm left with the B2B comparison to consider. Yes, mocsta's lazier attitude does not make him not scum, but it makes your case look weaker, because you didn't present those thoughts before. You just compared his play to one town game and went with that.
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HF have you played many games with rayn?
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Guys, Derrida confirmed town, come on. I wish posting screenshots of inbox was not banned.
Aside from that, I am trying to read through the other games you guys played together, which is a stupidly enormous task on its own, it's like playing 3-4 mafia games simultaneously. As I'm the newbie here, could someone summarize me why a player's attitude in previous games matter? I would assume we are all above-average intelligent people here who could take on a new persona in every new game, no?
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Go n vote me Holyflare.
See how much I care.
Pro Tip: I don't.
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